u/Erestor-Asaya

[Spoilers] Erdtree is meant to face cataclysms - in other words: Erdtree burned in the past and game tells it all the time

Hello there!

Huge spoilers ahead!

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"Behold. The Erdtree yet stands. Tall and unwavering, mindless of the scorch of the flame of ruin. Hahah, hahah... Then, we are yet Golden Ones." ~ Spirit dude from Ashen Capital

Following screen is a nice way to begin:

https://preview.redd.it/n0xnjsg1xb1h1.png?width=2559&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a599a596e6d9ac9ee17801bbbc721bfe68aeda5

together with the Golden Seed description:

>"When the Elden Ring was shattered, these seeds flew from the Erdtree, scattering across the various lands, as if life itself knew that its end has come."

So, in the game we can find golden seeds next to small illusory trees and their description directly says that the shattering of the Elden Ring is their origin. They are not physical trees but phantom illusions pointing at the location where a seed fell.

Ok. Now we know that in the Lands Between there is a huge glowing tree, which once dropped seeds across the world and these seeds are yet to grow, cool.

So where did Minor Erdtrees came from? And I don't have in mind these golden trees growing in few churches across the game like this one in Capital Outskirts, these seem younger than those bigger, scattered randomly in the Lands Between.

Minor Erdtrees have one origin: the first fire of the Erdtree.

Someone set the Erdtree afire long before the shattering of the Elden Ring and here is what I gathered about it:

https://preview.redd.it/umys9f6u2c1h1.png?width=2559&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4e207a098ed8ca01030111b638a2a6e2263406c

Let's start with something already mentioned many times by other players. The painting in the Volcano Manor. Erdtree in flames, pretty self-explanatory. There is a chance, however, that it is not connected to event that happened but is a blasphemy against the Erdtree and rather wish than proof of a fire.

https://preview.redd.it/jrplzd7x8c1h1.png?width=2559&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4e71d50bde82476cce59cbbfdd9d6e2b59e5921

NPCs know too much. Enia, Melina and Gideon posses specific knowledge about (First) Cardinal Sin - which is burning the Erdtree. They tell us how to do it - using the Flame of Ruin. They know where to find it - atop of the snowy mountain. And probably the most important - they somehow know this method is effective. Not god slaying black flame, not blood flame, not ghost flame or some other flame - but the flame of giants. The only way to know it is by test. (Frenzied Flame doesn't work either - after obtaining power frenzy from three fingers we still msut go atop of the mountain to rekindle flame of ruin)

Additional thing worth mentioning I will explain with some of Enia's lines:

>"Heavens forbid... That is not the domain of mere men."

and

>"You must find kindling. (...)
But special kindling is required to reignite the flame.
For the flame to burn the Erdtree, a sacrifice is needed.
Of one who envisions the flame."

This is very, very precise description of requirements. Also, not a single: maybe, perhaps, probably, try etc. is used by those NPCs. Pure certainty. How can they be so sure if this happens for the first time?

https://preview.redd.it/0yiygzy0fc1h1.png?width=2550&format=png&auto=webp&s=e1f72404b0b3867ce1c1d27e3e07da3fe245b93d

Next - Leyndell is covered in ash or dust the entire time. Screens above are taken before burning the Erdtree by Melina and Tarnished.

https://preview.redd.it/cb52tvbxfc1h1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=1fc97775caf1dbfc455979390690e91ac13557cb

Now this thing. On the left side we can see this scar on golden, glowing husk. On the right side, screenshot of standard ending (Age of Fracture). There are two things to focus on:
- As the game ends, the Erdtree no longer burns. We can't tell if it's alive or not, but what we clearly see is that flames only damaged it, not destroyed completely.
- Colors of bark and scar equalized. This may suggest that the scar is what's left or didn't yet recover from previous fire.

https://preview.redd.it/50cgrckbic1h1.png?width=981&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac755700e5a7c1278068fe82bb5ccdb9a2f1cfb0

https://preview.redd.it/ueo89afcic1h1.png?width=778&format=png&auto=webp&s=52ab27c6a4a4cc54c56e1d140a081b851dbff4ec

And finally this. Fire, if not too strong, can help trees survive instead of destroying them. It can cleanse them from parasites, it separates younger trees from old sections of a forest and, as we can see above, some trees need fire to scatter seed.

Here, I would like to go back to the first image.
- Erdtree - the origin
- Minor Erdtrees - born from seeds dropped after first fire
- Illusory Trees - mark seeds scattered after shattering
- New wave - will probably drop some time after final cut-scene.

Conclusion of this post:
Erdtree was set ablaze in the past and it not only survived, it could even make it an advantage. Not even Miyazaki can convince me otherwise.

Thanks for your attention.

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u/Erestor-Asaya — 8 days ago

Two Mothers [Spoilers ahead]

Hello there! It's me again.

Huge spoilers ahead!

>!TLDR: Melina's parents are Marika and Gloam Eyed Queen.!<

This is wild one, I know. It's not as strong theory as 'Melina is GEQ' and personally I believe she is GEQ too, but few details seem to support the 'two mothers' theory better than 'Melina is GEQ' theory so, here we go.

Points indicating that Melina is daughter of Marika:

- Her in game ID is 'MaricaOfDaughter'

- Messmer's Kindling says that his sister had vision of fire.

- Enia confirms that information indirectly when asked 'how to burn the Erdtree'.

- Melina could be related to Miquella, because the first time we see her she is with Torrent. That simply shows us she was part of the family.

- She knows a lot about the Erdtree, Lands Between, runes, Fingers, Frenzied Flame and 'hear' echos of Marika as if she was a part of events of the past.

- She often says that her mother is inside the Erdtree.

- When summoned to fight Morgott, she (probably) uses Minor Erdtree incantation, the secret incantation of Marika. This not only suggests her ties with Marika but also to Realm of Shadow or even maybe the Shaman Village.

- Her name starts with 'M', which aligns with Elden Ring's naming schedule.

HOWEVER, here we have few counterpoints suggesting that she is GEQ/GEQ is her mother:

- She is out of hair color pattern. The color doesn't match Godfrey's and Radagon's children (gold and red). Her hair color is something between brown and dark red - or maybe gloamed blonde?

- Every time Melina tells part of her story, she tells us that her mother is inside the Erdtree, but when she tells us stories of the past of the Lands Between she uses 'Queen Marika' instead of 'my mother' as if her mother and Marika were two different individuals, once in the same place which is inside the Erdtree.

- Morgott doesn't mention her in cutscene before his final fight. However this may be connected to Melina's state of being burn and bodyless. Morgott is not aware of her existence or simply thinks she is dead so there is no point in mentioning her in is monologue.

- Melina's eyes are 'gloamed' in Frenzied Flame ending.

- Marika could be in some sort of relationship before Godfrey. As Shadow of the Erdtree trailer states: Miquella the Kind spoke of the beginning. The seduction. And the betrayal. An affair from which Gold arose. - Since we don't exactly know who is betrayed, it could mean anyone, including GEQ.

- Melina uses Erdtree incantations while being connected to fire. Marika + GEQ attributes.

- She is the only human sized child of Marika. Ranni is a doll and her original body atop of the Divine Tower is bigger than player, other demigods are obviously bigger, but Melina appears to be 'normal' or rather different from the rest of the family.

- Melina's quote: 'Does being born of a mother... Mean one behaves in such a manner?' may mean that she was born, but not of a mother - so possibly from an egg or cocoon and GEQ is a serpent, according to other theories. This quote can also suggest that Melina was created by Marika and has no other parent.

Now, why is this not as dumb as it seems at the first glance?

Because there are evidences that Melina is daughter of Marika, Gloam Eyed Queen or she is Gloam Eyed Queen herself, however I don't know any evidence pointing directly towards Melina being daughter of Godfrey or Radagon.

Also both Marika and Gloam Eyed Queen are godlike creatures of some cosmo-spiritual origin, there is a possibility of them having a children just like Marika and Radagon did, despite of being 'one'. If her place of birth was the Shadow Realm then no information about her in the Lands Between is quiet easy to explain.

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u/Erestor-Asaya — 14 days ago

If not great rune, why great rune shaped?

Hello there!

>!It just crossed my mind: Sacred Relic Sword is a great rune or uses power of great rune it contains inside / is made of. It could be possible since there is no achievable rune of this shape in the game. (Could be made of great rune since it's description says it's made of a body of a god.)!<

u/Erestor-Asaya — 14 days ago

Hello there!

At first I want to point out that this image may seem kinda messy, colors were cool idea at first but once I reread the text they may confuse you so if they do, ignore them.

It's been almost two years since I last played ER so I entered for a while just to wander around and swing with MLGS a little. This is how I noticed that this table actually tells some story (yes, first time after four years since release).

So here is my interpretation. I know similar theories appeared in the past but rather not in exactly the same form as here. This is why the Miquella note is included.

Not-english-native-classic included.

u/Erestor-Asaya — 21 days ago