r/FDVR_Dream

I've been thinking about what I want to see right from the start. The first seconds, minutes, hours. What's the plan? So, here's the dream come true, do whatever you want.

Personally, I imagine it will be late evening, somewhere on the shore of a coastal town. I'll definitely summon my own AI companion to guide me through all the possibilities of FDVR, and I'll sit there for a few hours, trying to take it all in.

And cigarettes. Lots of cigarettes, damn it! I quit in real life a long time ago, but I'm looking forward to safely returning to the habit.

What about you?

If you have spent any time doing any introspective work, you would have realised the unfortunate reality that having a sense of self is not a given. Though you may exist, make decisions, and manifest yourself in all the ways that constitute a "self," it is still possible for you to completely lack a sense of self, for you have frighteningly little knowledge of who, as a person, you actually are.

However, if we take that as a given, that having a sense of self is not a prerequisite for human existence, that leaves us in an interesting situation in relation to attempts towards contentment.

Let’s say we have someone with a fairly weak sense of self that lets the opinions of society and others dictate to them who they are and what they are. If this person were to ever reach a point of contentment, a point where they feel truly satisfied with their lives, how would they ever be able to know such contentment is authentic? If they have, in all effect, externalised their sense of self to others, then will that same feeling of contentment not also be an internalisation of their feelings and opinions towards him?

In such an example, you have someone that thinks they have reached the pinnacle, that they have made it, but in reality, due to them having a weak sense of self, they are still far from their apotheosis. It is my opinion, however, that this is the highest point we can ever get to. No matter who we are or where we come from, we are always going to, at least in part, offload our sense of self onto others, precluding us from ever reaching our highest state.

However, with FDVR this is not the case. With FDVR, there is no longer any need for us to externalise our sense of self onto others, because the others within said simulation can align with our own true selves (or sense of self). In such an example, the malforming force of externalisation becomes an impossibility, and the contentment that we feel will be the true highest form of existence.

I recently sat down and tried to honestly figure out how far we really are from the first versions of FDVR. Turns out we're not as far as I used to believe.

Basically, for the early versions we need:

1. Solid real-time world generation with AI that can run on regular PCs. This feels pretty close already. Look at how fast image/video gen is moving and stuff like Project Genie.
2. The ability to stimulate the right parts of the brain and feed them the generated information. This seems tricky, but BCI companies are already doing it quite successfully. We're not talking about super deep brain layers we can't reach. So, yes, it's difficult, but it's not at the level where we need to study the ENTIRE brain. (That's what I thought until recently.)
3. Much more stable internet, something like 6G with latency under 20ms. From what I know, China is planning to roll it out around 2029.
4. And of course go through the usual public denial phase, which is literally happening right now with AI.

Obviously I'm skipping a lot of steps, but most of them are already being worked on anyway and aren't the real blockers. With how fast AI is developing and research is accelerating, my personal estimate moved from 2045+ to something like 2035±.

The biggest challenge won't even be inventing the tech itself, but making it actually accessible to normal people — that’s going to require a huge economic and societal shift.

The flow state can be described as a balance between two extremes: anxiety, and boredom. When you are at the perfect middle point between these two extremes, neither overloaded, nor under loaded, you are able to achieve a state where the conscious and the subconscious are able to become one, and you are able to become fully engrossed in the given activity you are partaking in.

In the reality, however, we constantly encounter states of over or under loading (anxiety and boredom) meaning that we are never able to be continuously in that ideal flow state. This, in my opinion, constitutes the main force behind our frustrated desires. In an ideal world we would never be bored, nor anxiety ridden however because we are not in an ideal world this happens all too often.

As it stands now there seems to be no way to fix this problem. No matter what political ideology you might subscribe to or what economic system you think is the best, it seems that this imperfect loading that constitutes the non-flow state will always exist, and because of that humanity will always be faced with this frustrating negative force.

The only solution to this problem is FDVR. In my opinion the perfect life can be seen as one where one spends the maximal amount of time within the flow state, and such a state is only possible within FDVR, within a world tailor made for you. As it stands now there are simply too many different people existing in the world for the world to contort itself to be made for everyone, so it prioritises a select group of people: those with the most influence over it. If we want to live the perfect life, as I have described it, we NEED to create FDVR, there is NO other solution to this problem, to THE problem of human existence.

With this we can live a perfect life.

This isn't a blackpilling or negative post and I hope for the arrival of fdvr asap but I'm a bit confused on what metas whole vision for their metaverse was. There's already successful platforms so why didn't zuck try and learn from what makes them successful? The hardware is still kinda bulky but some vrchat players sleep in the game if not outright live in it so if I was zuck I'd be trying to find out what makes vrchat so addictive

I dont see why we dont just make fdvr trend when we already have the community and can just rally enough people to get it seen by a major figure to get it at least talked about more or best case scenario actually created

A few weeks ago I made a post talking about how FDVR was not inevitable, and how if we did not put serious effort into bringing about its genesis then it might never exist. Now, although I still agree with that initial claim, I have come to the realisation that the "if" of FDVR is not what should be focused on, but rather the "when." From this realisation I have come to the conclusion that it is better to advocate for reasons why we should accelerate FDVR's advent, motivating people towards active pursuits to make it a reality, in whatever way that might be.

The first of many reasons that we should want to accelerate FDVR is because it solves a fundamental problem of politics.

In my opinion, the reason for the existence of politics can be boiled down to various political ideologies vying for power over one another. Said "vying" might take many forms depending on the type of political framework, however, each system attempts to achieve a "correct answer" so that the "majority" of its citizens will be satisfied with the decision arrived at after the process. However, in reality this is almost never the case.

For whatever reason, the majority opinion will always have to be compromised upon and altered, often in an attempt to not too badly upset the losing party (or parties). This, however, leaves both parties dissatisfied, living in a less-than-ideal system, similar to a friend group that, because they cannot decide where to eat, goes to a restaurant that none of them hate, but also none of them love.

This issue of compromise and loss is solved completely within FDVR. Within FDVR everyone might live within their own individual, non-compromising political systems, no matter how eccentric or unconventional that ideology may be. Imagine living in a world, where whatever ideology you want can be made manifest, and you also don't have to impose you will on others that would like to live in another system.