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Why do you think Kohberger never publicly explained his motive, even after pleading guilty?

I know we’ll probably never get a definitive answer on what his motive actually was but what I find almost as interesting is that Kohberger has never really tried to explain it himself.

Once he pleaded guilty and avoided a trial, there wasn’t going to be the same public presentation of evidence that might have given us more insight into what was going through his head. But even at sentencing, he chose not to give any real explanation.

Do you think staying silent is about maintaining some sense of control over the case or is there a simpler reason he doesn’t want anyone to know what the motive was?

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u/Hot-Possession3681 — 19 hours ago

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #14: Not Enough Time for Kohberger Alone

Systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories. All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly from defence experts).  . Links to document sources below, example cases source links at end.

Feasibility for Kohberger to commit the murders alone in the time available, with significant excess of time available, is confirmed by police reconstructions and comparison to many recent mass stabbing cases. Both re-enactments and many recent mass stabbing cases with single attackers and up to 26 victims show the murders could be done in approx. 3 minutes, while Kohberger had approx. 11 minutes available. The re-enactments could be repeated 4 - 6 times completely, from car and back, in the time available to Kohberger. Kohberger had no physical limitation or disability relevant to the murders and no diagnosis for any relevant physical condition.

ISP Police Reconstructions, including walk from/ to car and through house from 3rd to 2nd floor and simulating every knife strike took 2 minutes done quickly and under 4 minutes slowly:

https://preview.redd.it/5ybd7hzbdbkh1.jpg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db558e8afdfd8658c39c5305ef353a853873cbfb

Recent mass stabbings case comparisons which demonstrate:

  • Far more victims can be stabbed in far less time than available to Kohberger, up to 26 victims in under 3 minutes; case examples include 130 knife strikes on 2 victims, and 23 knife strikes on single victim in under 25 seconds
  • Often little or no blood on the attacker even after stabbing 26 people, no trail of bloody prints, little blood on attacker clothing; includes attacks with up to 23 knife strikes at very close range on one victim
  • No screaming by victims during attack
  • No reaction or delayed reaction by witnesses
  • Range of knife types used from pocket knife to military Kabar (the later with most fatalities and stabbing in shortest time)
  • In none of these cases were victims drunk and asleep in bed, they occur in settings as different as train carriages, conference centres, toilets, student houses, train stations and shopping malls, and outdoors and almost all victims were fit, healthy alert adults

https://preview.redd.it/m94pfn7c3ckh1.jpg?width=1414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97399647bf16dcb5e6cc141853f2572d63c365b9

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Links overviewing these cases (TW: including videos of graphic violence, stabbing):

  1. Apple River Mass Stabbings: 4 young men stabbed, one fatally, by single assailant in under 1 minute. Attacker in his 50s after a recent heart bypass
  2. Bondi Junction Mall Mass Stabbing 2024: 18 people stabbed, 6 fatally, by single assailant in less than 3 minutes
  3. Calgary Mass Stabbing 2014: 5 young adults stabbed to death at a party by single assailant in under 3 minutes
  4. London Bridge Mass Stabbing 2019: 5 people were stabbed, 2 fatally, by single assailant. Attack lasted 5 minutes moving from room to room and out into street.
  5. Vancouver Starbucks Stabbing 2022: Attack by single assailant lasted c 30 seconds
  6. Tapei Metro Station Mass Stabbings 2024: single attacker stabbing spree on Metro - stabbing 28, killing 4, in under 5 minutes
  7. Brisbane Mall Fatal Stabbing 2022: young man stabbed, attack lasts a few seconds
  8. Nottingham Stabbings 2023: 6 stabbed. 3 fatally - 2 on CCTV under 25 seconds;
  9. Anging, China Mass Stabbing 2021: single attacker killed seven people and wounded thirteen others in under 4 minutes
  10. Tapei Metro Station Stabbings 2025: 14 stabbed at two locations, attack at one lasted less than 3 minutes
  11. Teen Girl Stabbed Over 20 Times and Bludgeoned in Dehli 2023:  over 20 stab wounds inflicted in under 30 seconds, victim does not scream during attack, after stabbing and bludgeoning victim with rock attacker had no blood on himself and leaves no bloody prints
  12. Ted Bundy Chi Omega Sorority House : Ted Bundy broke into multiple occupancy student house and attacked 4 women with a club, killing one. in under 15 minutes Moving from room to room the successive victims did not hear preceding attacks nor did house mates in adjacent rooms
  13. Charlotte Metro Train Stabbing of Iryna Zarutska 2025 : attack lasts seconds, victim does not scream, attacker has almost no visible blood on him after

Links to document sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 1 day ago

Master List: Confirmed Case Evidence and Debunking Conspiracy Theories

Links to posts with confirmed case evidence summaries, deeper dives on specific areas of evidence and debunking of the common conspiracy theories and unsupported, unevidenced pro-BK fictions:

Case Evidence Summary Case Evidence Link
Condensed Summary of Key Evidence Condensed Summary Key Evidence Link
Conspiracy Theories /Evidence Areas: Post Link
Timeline: 4am, incompatible earlier timings Confirming 4am Debunking Earlier Time: Link
Sheath Chain of Custody No Sheath Chain of Custody Issues: Link
Kohberger was framed, DNA planted Debunking Framing, DNA Planting: Link
Insufficient Time for Kohberger Acting Alone Sufficient Time for Kohberger Alone: Link
DM Description of Perp/ Account Inconsistent DM Description / Account Consistent: Link
Suspect Car Had Fog-lights Suspect Car Did Not Have Fog-lights: Link
Absence of DNA Evidence in Car Explaining Why No DNA Evidence in Car: Link
Car Year Range Was Changed to Fit BK Car Car Year Range Not Changed To Fit BK: Link
Kohberger phone not powered off manually BK Turned Off Phone Before Murders: Link
DNA Amount on Sheath Was Trace/ Small Large Amount Of BK's DNA On Sheath: Link
There Was Untested DNA At The Scene No Untested Relevant DNA At Scene: Link
There Was Evidence of a Clean Up of Scene No Evidence of Scene Clean Up: Link
"4 Brothers" from IGG linked murders 4 Brothers Overview and Debunking: Link
"Blood Soaked Green Jacket" No Blood Soaked Green Jacket, Debunk: Link
Evidence was Destroyed At MPD - Fridge No Evidence Effected, Fridge Issue 2025: Link

All evidence is taken from court documents, published MPD, WSU and ISP police and forensics reports, and expert witness statements, sourced from court and police websites:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

Case Evidence and Timeline Summaries:

https://preview.redd.it/k5czxwbcvbkh1.jpg?width=1201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=727046e5fdc586f45064f20f4d4ff1cbf93bb2d2

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https://preview.redd.it/zlmgm2acvbkh1.jpg?width=1558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97147080094c0ab2c55006819e9c9092d5819341

https://preview.redd.it/935hoaxpvbkh1.jpg?width=1369&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74432b0591ba2ca11f9c6ec5817947154026386d

https://preview.redd.it/a9o3wp9cvbkh1.jpg?width=1355&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad7fbc1bbf0d5955186b265f50f7572cf9994cf3

https://preview.redd.it/y62qu8bcvbkh1.jpg?width=1347&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a815e472ed59ba80282274a275de3438dfecce3e

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Condensed Summary of Some Key Evidence:

https://preview.redd.it/jqpyjfzsvbkh1.jpg?width=1790&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e461f4f3eb15c927fc8a212e5ef2ee922180aae

Evidence Establishing 4am Timeline, Incompatible With Earlier Timelines

https://preview.redd.it/gax9y3fyvbkh1.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7848d94bc2df61528bc6b37322230a0c3ec2fa1

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 24 hours ago

Kohberger's Internet Footprint - "Cunnilinguss Chris" and "KillingSpree"

As Kohberger's internet activity is once again a focus from SG's comments this week about Kohberger having gory videos of surgery of women's breasts, Sy Ray's comments last week about very violent, disturbing porn, and Kohberger's already confirmed exclusive consumption of rape porn much of which had some similarity to the scenarios of the murders ("asleep", "drugged", "forced", "voyeur") a few points:

  • Kohberger had over 15 emails, and known social media accounts of relevance to case on apps like Strava, YikYak; not fully confirmed but very credible links to other accounts like Spotify were found via user names matching those known to used by Kohberger (e.g. "Exarr")
  • On some socials media accounts credibly linked to Kohberger he had posted about his visual snow, depersonalisation and lack of feelings for himself and family, "sacks of meat"
  • Confirmed emails and usernames used by Kohberger, from court and police documents, included "CunningChris" linked to social media accounts with user/ display name "CunnilingussChris" [Chris is Kohberger's middle name; source: Police Supplemental report #148 and search warrant of Google Account - "Yewsirneighm"]
  • In an analysis by a user who appears to have very credible digital forensics expertise (u/Telltalebytes who is also credited with the list of accounts pasted below) Kohberger is linked to email accounts such as "KillingSpree", [unconfirmed, but credibly linked in the analysis] and "Hammerhands" perhaps reference to his boxing/ kickboxing.
  • Kohberger logged into Google at 4.49am, 25 minutes after the murders when his car was stationary just south of the Moscow scene, using one of the confirmed, back-up "burner" type email listed here
  • Kohberger's DropBox and other cloud storage account were seized under search warrant, as were damaged computers, external boards and external drives/ USB devices on arrest. The contents of these remain sealed as being highly prejudicial

Kohberger Email accounts - most f first block of 19 and 3 academic accounts confirmed in court/ police reports, middle block unformed but suggest by analysis author credibly linked to Kohberger also.

https://preview.redd.it/8pqf6t9sv2kh1.jpg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf11b956422e03be68fb139f4cfa61bdde2f4fc3

Email list from TellTaleBytes analysis - most of the 22 confirmed by police/ court documents, a few speculative/ unconfirmed

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 2 days ago

Delay in accessing the neighbors’ camera

Hi everyone, I’ve just watched the Netflix documentary (heads up, it is my only exposure to the case, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere), and I’m wondering why it took so long for the cops to notice and access the neighbors’ camera facing the street? Obviously the cops had put up all those flyers requesting people send in their footage from that night/morning, how could that camera had been missed for weeks?

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u/gfqb — 2 days ago

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #13: Sheath Chain Of Custody

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Myths and Fictions:

#13: "Sheath Chain of Custody Issues"

Systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories.

All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly from defence experts).  Links to document sources below.

https://preview.redd.it/hmgjggog3bkh1.jpg?width=1214&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d806f30af967940e4638384c4647aa4d6144786

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Links to document sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 3 days ago

CONDENSED SUMMARY - KEY EVIDENCE AGAINST KOHBERGER

A condensed, single chart/ picture summary of some of the key evidence against Kohberger.

All points are sourced from court documents, published forensics, police reports and expert witness statements.

Document sources linked below.

This is not all incriminating evidence, but a summary of some key points to fit one page, visibly.

A more detailed version with 52 points is pinned at top of this sub and linked here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/s/EOtFf0RM7N

https://preview.redd.it/mlwl06k16kjh1.jpg?width=1790&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=651f0f0216a67c61bffb42673fe37daf47c23c41

Court and Police Document Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 5 days ago

People article on Bryan’s Psychiatric Eval 2025

Bryan Kohberger wrote in a court filing that he was diagnosed with four “mental health disorders” in February 2025: Autism (Level 1), OCD, ADHD and the eating disorder ARFID
That February 2025 neuropsychological evaluation has now been unsealed, detailing the behaviors that led to those diagnoses
The evaluation also lists four additional “mental health disorders” Kohberger suffered from in the past, including anorexia

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u/No-Cartoonist-6511 — 5 days ago

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Part 12: "A 'Blood Soaked Green Jacket' "

A series of systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories:

Part 12""A 'Blood Soaked Green Jacket' From Ground Floor Bedroom"

All data and lab test results are sourced from court documents, ISP police reports, and the published ISP Forensics documents, linked below, other references noted in the chart.

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Court and ISP Forensics Documents Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 4 days ago

Explaining “How did Murphy not get blood on him?”

If you have common sense, you 100% understand how Murphy didn’t get blood on him, but I just wanted to make a post explaining it if people are truly confused, especially if they’ve never seen crime scene photos. This is also something I see Proberger’s talk about a lot and how Murphy should’ve had blood all over him.

Proberger’s love to assume that Murphy went into Maddie’s room because Kaylee was in there and dogs usually want to be with their owners. They say he should’ve tracked bloody prints around the house if he went in there, and it’s suspicious that none were found, which proves there was some type of cleanup.

In these photos, you can see there are no pools of blood on Maddie’s floor at all. At the end of her bed, there seem to be some drops of blood, which are likely from the knife dripping. The blood soaked into the comforter and is all over the walls. If Murphy ever went into that room, there would not have been enough blood for him to even track around the house.

We all know Murphy was found in Kaylee’s room, which actually makes more sense than him wanting to sleep with Kaylee in Maddie’s room because that’s where he likely preferred to stay, an area that he associated with familiarity and safety. So, no, it’s not suspicious that Murphy never got any blood on him. I also wanna add that dogs can sense danger, and that’s another reason why he would want to stay out of Maddie’s and Xana’s rooms.

u/Outrageous_Drawer691 — 7 days ago

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories, Part 11: "DM Description of Perp, Time Was Inconsistent; DM, BF Active All Night On Their Phones "

A series of systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories: 

Part 11 - "DM account of time and description of perp inconsistent; roommates active on phone all night"

All factual data points are sourced from court documents, ISP and MPD police reports, expert reports linked below:

https://preview.redd.it/fvsj0io3ocjh1.jpg?width=869&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbed4ca8f476f8cda43568e111326d92193c6877

Court and Police Document Sources:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

Phone data - activity, messages court documenthttps://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725+REDACTED+Exhibits+1++2+to+Defendants+Objection+to+States+MIL+RE+Text+Messages+and+Testimony.pdf

Full phone records, from post by u/oldfadestar : https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/s/xfD6kFxH8Y

https://preview.redd.it/l0o6yu3lkcjh1.jpg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=031e350fb2da395e26b8f564bc551fa4ed156e69

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 6 days ago

Agent I talked to does NOT think Kohberger dropped the knife in the Snake River. Here's why.

I was going to save this for the book, but now that the case is back in the spotlight, it bothers me too much not to say something.

I asked the agent I talked to if law enforcement ever dredged the river. To my surprise, he said no!

We know (according to the ISP documents) that investigators found a shovel in Kohberger's car with soil on it that tested positive for the Palouse.

But there are other things that Kohberger had receipts for that couldn't be accounted for....Some power tools, and a converter to be able to hook them into a car and use them by car battery.

The agent had worked on cases like this before and said he believes Kohberger actually BUILT something out in the woods to hold the knife, and other items, like a trophy.

To me, this is important because IF - and I know it's a big if - we could find this supposed box, it may have other incriminating evidence besides just the knife.

I know it seems like a long shot. But if it's possible the knife is "in the woods" along the route rather than the river, is it worth trying to find it?

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u/pnwreporter — 8 days ago

Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories Part 10: "Kohberger Was Framed, DNA Planted - 30 Questions BK Supporters Can Never Answer "

30 Questions BK Supporters Can Never, Ever Answer To Support FramingDNA Planting

A series of systematic, data and court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories: 

Part 10 - "Kohberger Could Have Been Framed, DNA Could Have Been Planted

All factual data points are sourced from court documents, ISP and MPD police reports, expert reports linked below:

Almost all innocence scenarios include framing/ planting. For all framing and evidence planting scenarios some very basic, simple questions need to be answered - these are all completely incompatible with case facts and all obvious logic.

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Court and Police Document Sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 6 days ago

Debunking Common Kohberger Conspiracy Myths and Fictions, Part 9: "Suspect Car ID and Year Was Changed to Fit Kohberger After He Was A Suspect"

Continuing a series of systematic, data-based and court document confirmed evidence debunking of the most common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy myths and fictions: Part 9 - "Suspect Car ID and Year Range was changed to fit Kohberger after he was a suspect"

All data is sourced from court documents, ISP and MPD police reports, expert reports (defence expert) and sources are referenced in chart, and linked below:

https://preview.redd.it/m19ghia7z5jh1.jpg?width=1196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e67d343947b2a521dcb8182da753963844cd45e3

Court and Police Document Sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 7 days ago

Debunking Common Kohberger Conspiracy Myths and Fictions, Part 8: "Absence of Car DNA Evidence Is Surprising Or Exculpatory"

Continuing a series of systematic, data-based and court document confirmed evidence debunking of the most common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy myths and fictions: 

Fiction, Myth: "The absence of victim DNA in Kohberger's car was surprising or exculpatory"

All data is sourced from court documents, ISP forensics documents, ISP and MPD police reports and sources are referenced in charts, peer reviewed papers on DNA biochemistry and cleaning are also linked below:

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Case Evidence sources:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

Links to peer reviewed, published scientific studies that show how DNA in car can readily be washed away especially with many repeat washes over 7 weeks, as reference in charts above:

Links to some real murder cases where DNA / blood was removed from cars in 1 day and where far more bloody murder scene DNA/ blood was washed away completely:

Peter Porco- murdered his son Chris Porco, by axe and bludgeoning, his wife also axed; Chris Porco got back in his car immediately after murders and drove 150 miles home. Was the immediate suspect and his car seized, no DNA or blood recovered. Hypothesis was that his knowledge of veterinary surgery procedures gave him some knowledge on cleaning/ preventing blood.

Samantha Koenig - murdered by serial killer Israel Keyes; sexually assaulted and murdered in his garden shed. Her body was kept in the shed for 2 weeks, mutilated, dismembered and then transported. Keyes boasted the FBI would not find any DNA - no DNA or blood was found in his shed or the car used to move her body.

Claudia Maupin and Oliver Northup - stabbed, mutilated, disembowelled and dismembered by a 15 year old school-boy, Daniel Marsh. Marsh left none of his DNA at the scene or on the bodies (despite sexually motivated assault, organ removal and insertion of objects into chest cavities) and cleaned away all traces of victim blood and DNA on him, tracking zero DNA to his home.

Scene Photographs of 1122 King Road: Very little or almost no blood on bedroom floors😄

MM bedroom after murders (left), XK room after murders (right)

XK room after murders

Example cleaning products that are highly effective in cleaning DNA in single application, both specialist and commonly available from pharmacies and supermarkets:

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 7 days ago

Debunking Common Kohberger Conspiracy Myths and Fictions, Part 6: "Clean Up"

A comprehensive debunking of claims of scene "clean up" using court document confirmed evidence, physical scene expert/ blood spatter expert reports (mostly from defence) and referenced in charts and scene photographs, covering unsupported and error based claims of clean up:

6.1 Overview of scene clean-up claims

6.2 Diluted blood, "run" blood stains/ spatter

6.3 Sterilised, Empty Ground Floor Bathroom Used for Clean Up

6.4 Lounge and Beer Pong Table - no spilled liquid

6.5 "Blood soaked jacket" from ground floor (DM)

6.6 Comprehensive Scene Clean Up of Common Areas

All data sourced from court documents , ISP forensics documents, expert witness reports, referenced in charts and scene photos; reference to quotes from Whitcomb, Turvey and "Broken Plea" book are attributed as noted on charts

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 8 days ago

Debunking Common Conspiracy Myths and Fictions, Parts 1-5: DNA Amount, Untested DNA At Scene, Phone Power Off, Car Fog Lights, Timeline of Murders

A systematic, confirmed evidence and data-based debunking of the most common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy myths and fictions, part 1-5. The myths/ conspiracy theories:

  1. DNA was small amount, trace
  2. Phone was not manually powered off just over time of murders, was in low signal zone
  3. "Untested" DNA in House, Jacket, Other Locations
  4. Suspect Car Had Fog-lights
  5. Earlier Times of Murders (e.g. 2.25am, 3.00am) are remotely possible

All data is sourced from court documents, ISP forensics documents, expert witness reports (mostly from defence experts) and on the record expert witness statements, and ISP, MPD and WSU police reports, as referenced:

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]

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u/Repulsive-Dot553 — 9 days ago

Trying to think what Kohberger might hope to get out of a trial. Doubt he much thinks he'd be found "not guilty".

Maybe he actually wants a death penalty? I have heard that sometimes the conditions of Death Row are actually better than conditions for those without a death sentence. Maybe he has discovered that and would want that.

Maybe on the sicker psychological side he would enjoy the attention, as people have said. Or enjoy re-living the crime. Or enjoy making the victims' families suffer. Or enjoy making the Idaho taxpayers pay very large amounts of money for a trial.

Maybe he would like it for his "legacy". He might still be found guilty, but if he were found guilty at trial rather than with a plea he could always claim that he didn't admit guilt, that he wasn't guilty, and that the verdict was erroneous. Although even now with the plea deal he could claim he wasn't guilty but took the guilty plea because he was lied to about the conditions on Death Row and thought if he went to trial and got a death penalty he'd have worse conditions than he has now.

Maybe he would like taking the extremely tiny chance he'd be found not guilty or a mistrial.

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u/GregJamesDahlen — 12 days ago

Would combing the route BK took home post murder with a metal detector to find the knife be worthwhile?

Just watched the Netflix doc and it seemed like they had the southern route between Pullman and Moscow pretty well mapped, do you think it would have been worth it to try and find the murder weapon somewhere on those highways?

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u/dmandave — 12 days ago