r/ProtoIndoEuropean

A Proto-Indo-European community

I've recently been searching for Discord servers where Proto-Indo-European is spoken, out of love for Indo-European linguistics. However, I haven't found any servers exactly like that, only servers that discuss Indo-European language studies.

So far, there doesn't seem to be a single server where Proto-Indo-European is "strictly" spoken—a language that no one actually speaks natively, but which unites us all.

But the big problem is: modern concepts, even not-so-modern ones, like animals such as cats, monkeys, elephants, or donkeys. Other basic concepts like the ocean, steel, oil, or anything related to reading or writing—in all these groups of words, there's a Proto-Indo-European gap. Therefore, if we create a server, we could all agree to create a "Neo-Indo-European" to express modern ideas, either by borrowing from other modern languages (as is done in New Latin) or by recycling original roots.

Regarding the unusual characters used for the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction that aren't on all keyboards, such as h₁, h₂, h₃, ʰ, ʷ, r̥, l̥, m̥, n̥, ḱ, ǵ, ā, ē, ō, ī, ū, i̯, u̯, we could invent our own way of representing each phoneme of Proto-Indo-European to make it easier to communicate with others.

What do you think? Shall we all create a Discord server together?

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u/IdealSuccessful5743 — 8 days ago
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Do sound laws allow this connection? Bharad-vāja vs Bharat

Book 6 of the Ṛgveda, the Bharadvāja Family Book, offers a glimpse into the close partnership between the Bharadvāja priests and the early Bharata kings, especially Divodāsa. The hymns celebrate victories won with the favour of Indra and repeatedly invoke the acquisition of vāja: prizes, booty, cattle, horses, and wealth gained through warfare and tribal competition. These successes enriched the Bharatas and strengthened their position among the Vedic tribes. The importance of the Bharadvājas extended beyond the time of Divodāsa. Their priestly tradition helped preserve and legitimise the power of the Bharata lineage, laying the ideological foundations for future generations. The descendants of these early Bharatas later emerged as the dominant force in the Daśarājña Yuddha (Battle of Ten Kings) under Rajan Sudas. Their victory transformed the Bharatas from one tribe among many into the leading political power of the region. This process eventually culminated in the rise of the Kuru polity, often regarded as the earliest state-level formation in Indian history. Thus, Book 6 preserves not only memories of victories and the winning of vāja, but also the traditions that helped make the Bharatas the nucleus of the first Indian state.

A question I have is, Bharadvāja comes from "bhara(d)" and "vaja(m)" i.e carriers/bearers/bringers of abundance, which comes from war. While Bharata also comes from "bhara" which means carriers/bearers/bringers. Could it be the case, as per sound laws & other attestations, that the name came to this priestly clan for bringing abundance to the Bharatas via rite i.e originally Bharat-vāja , not just being general bearers of abundance?

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u/LemonAmbitious2915 — 11 days ago

Translation request

Hello, would anyone be able to help me render these names into their Proto-Hellenic equivalents based on their Proto-Indo-European etymologies and sound conversion? Thank you!

Νύξ, Φήμη, Τάρταρος, Τάγης, Ἀνταῖος, Ἔρως, Χάρις, Ἄχος, Νέμεσις, Δεῖμος, Δόλος, Ἀπάτη, Ἐπιμονή, Ἀπορία, Ὀϊζύς, Πεῖνα, Μῶμος, Νόσος, Γῆρας, Φόβος, Κήρ, Ὄνειρος, Θάνατος, Χάρων, Ἡμέρα, Αἰθήρ, Πόνος, Λήθη, Λιμός, Ἄλγος, Ὑσμίνη, Μάχη, Φόνος, Ἀνδροκτασία, Νεῖκος, Ψευδολόγος, Ἀμφιλλογία, Δυσνομία, Ἄτη, Ὅρκος, Οὐρανός, Ῥέα, Τηθύς, Δημήτηρ, Ἥφαιστος, Ἑρμῆς, Ἀφροδίτη, Τοξεύς, Τιτάν, Ζεύς, Ὠκεανός, Κρόνος, Ἀθηνᾶ, Ἄπις, Ἥλιος, Ἄρτεμις, Τρισμέγιστος, Τριπτόλεμος, Εὐβουλεύς, Διονύσιος, Ἡρακλῆς, Περσεφόνη, Διόνυσος, Ἔπαφος, Σκύθης, Ὑπερίων, Βριάρεως, Κρεῖος, Τυφωεύς, Ἐγκέλαδος, Αἰγαίων, Ἠώς, Ἰαπετός, Ἀστραῖος, Ἀλωεύς, Παλλήνη, Ἀλκυονεύς, Πορφυρίων, Λυκάων, Θεία, Θέμις, Μνημοσύνη, Φοίβη, Πάν, Κοῖος, Κλωθώ, Λάχεσις, Ἄτροπος.

From what I found online I think *Nukts for Νύξ, *Lā́tʰā for Λήθη and *Pʰā́mā for Φήμη? Not sure about the rest. There is no Proto-Hellenic subreddit I could find so I figured I would try here, any help would be appreciated!

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u/Kitsune_Sobo — 11 days ago