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Teverun Fighter 11+ vs Fighter Supreme Ultra

Thought i'd give my opinion as i own both, and i am currently selling both, hoping it will help some people since there is absolutely no TFSU review online

The Fighter 11+ i have is the 2023 model, 60V 35AH samsung battery

The Fighter Supreme Ultra is the 2025 model, 72V 60AH SK battery, successor of the original Fighter Supreme

\- 1 : look wise both are very very beefy baby, especially the Fighter 11+ considering the power and battery it packs, when i saw it online i was thinking it was same size more or less as a Dualtron Achileus, but absolutely not, think more of a Thunder/Storm kind of size, the swing arms are among the beefiest i ever saw, the deck is very long, the stem is very high, but a bit narrow, i find it unnecessarily big, even though that is what makes it comfortable

The TFSU have exactly the same look same size, only difference is a way larger and deeper platform, this size makes more sense for its category, and the wider deck increase the comfort by easily 50%, the Fighter 11+ is very narrow for its size

Both are not too big to fit trough regular doors and elevators, but they are long enough that you can forget about getting them in a crowded space or in a tiny appartment elevator

\- 2 : the weight, for the 11+ i don't know why on most of the website it is listed as around 36KG/80 lbs when it really is 44-46KG/100 pounds, it is very heavy for this kind of power, competitor scooter with similar power and battery usually are 5 to 10kg lighter

It is at the limit of acceptable weight, very heavy but you can still lift it above a tall obstacle or for 1 or 2 flight of stairs without dying, and it makes it feel very premium and solid

TFSU on the other hand is comically heavy, i mean count on more than 60KG/132 pounds, you can't do shit with it, it is very hard to slide the rear tire with your foot to manually turn it, its a pain in the ass to get it above even a 10cm curve, pushing it is a nightmare, if weight is a problem you can already forget about this model, it is too much

The weight makes it also a bit fragile, if the scooter falls on its weight it will break (happened to me), whereas on the 11+ it is not heavy enough for it to break something

Both are very solid machines, i never had a bolt coming off or a part squeaking

\- 3 : Equipment wise they are similar, same kickstand, same kickplate, same handlebar, maybe a bit wider on the TFSU, same folding mechanism, same charging port, same suspension, same steering damper (which is very shitty)

What differs is first the screen, the 11+ is a 2023 app version so old square screen with nfc module apart, and it is not compatible with the latest tft 4 inch screen, which the TFSU comes with,

The new screen on the TFSU is 10 times prettier and easier to read, and it handles the NFC itself so no NFC module apart on the handlebar, but latest 11+ models have the 4 inch tft screen so you don't have to mind that

Second the brakes, 2023 model had zoom 2 piston brakes, one of the nicest tuned zoom i saw, but i replaced them with the latest 4 piston teverun brakes, same on the TFSU model, they are very good, modular, and the break disc is very thick, you can come to a full stop fairly quickly without locking the wheel

Third, the headlight and the horn, they are 2 in 1 on both, on the Fighter 11+ the light is a bit weak and very narrow, and the horn is comically timid

On the TFSU the headlight is a bit brighter and wider, and the horn is powerful enough to be heard without being too loud like motorcycle grade horns

Fourth, the suspension on both are by far the best i ever saw, a lot of travel, they almost never bottom out, you really feel the difference when you tune it, it can go from very bouncy to firm

But you can enjoy it more on the 11+ than on the TFSU, on the 11+ you can enjoy a bouncy ride even at modest high speeds, whereas the TFSU is too heavy for it to be bouncy, you have to ride it close to the firmest setting to not risk instability at high speeds

Fifth, the wheels on both are 11x4 CST tubeless with goop, they are incredibly square on both and makes it hard to corner well, but it helps a lot with straight line stability

The difference comes with the power gap, on the 11+ the front wheel only spin when the battery is full, and only for a second, so the tire doesn't wear too much

On the TFSU, from mode 3 you get infinite tire spin at the start, you enjoy the noise it makes but this wear the tires significantly faster, this kind of machine needs tires with better grip

Sixth, the locking mechanism on the 11+ 2023 models is with a NFC chip and a separate NFC module on the handlebar, it is easy to use, reactive, no complaint other than that i would have liked the NFC module inside the screen to gain space on the handlebar, and also for it to be compatible with green and red limit speed tags

On the TFSU its a dream, you get a very pretty key similar to a mercedes key, with it you can turn on and off the scooter without touching it, it rarely fails as long as you point it right, it lags a bit compared to the 11+ but nothing too bad

Problem is it makes a loud noise when used, it bother me when i power it on at late hours

The key also activates the alarm, which makes a very loud noise and lock the wheel when triggered, the wheel lock is amazing because its such a beefy beast that you will have a lot of trouble moving it without it rolling

First problem with it is that it gets triggered on its own with a strong enough wind, for example the one generated by sliding doors in shops, which is annoying considering the noise it makes, and second one is that when it is triggered, it goes automatically off after like 1 minute so not very secure

\- 4 : now what really matters, the power difference

11 + 60V has dual 1600W motors that peak at 5000W with 37 amp controllers, peak high speed 85kmh/53mph

It is incredibly quick while still being manageable, on the highest settings you reach the 70km/h mark very quickly, it has a lot of torque but not something too much, it is very close to the Kaabo Mantis King GT acceleration wise

High speed stability is good, but starts to lack around the 70km/h mark, if you don't hold it straight and don't have the steering damper at the max, you will have a bit of wobbles

The TFSU is another deal, 72V with dual 2000W motors that peak at 9200W with 55 amp controllers, peak high speed 105kmh/65mph

I never believed there would be such a big difference power wise between both, to give you an example, i always ride mode 5 with highest settings on the 11+, i even find myself at some rare times craving a bit more of power for it to not start stalling around 70km/h, whereas on the TFSU i only ever went above mode 3 1 time, and like 90% of the time mode 2 is more than enough torque and speed wise

The thing is incredibly dangerous, you need to brace for your life on every acceleration, the tire spin forever even on mode 3, you reach the 80km/h mark in a heartbieat and it stills pulls out a ton of power, but that is where i stop accelerating

The difference is mind blowing, almost same difference as between a Xiaomi Scooter and a Dualtron Victor

Stability is top, it never wobbles until 80km/h, i don't know above that since i never tried

5 : The range, on the 11+ with a 35AH samsung battery, you rarely think about range, you can ride almost all day without thinking about charging, on my longest ride on highest speed settings with mixed terrain, i did 70KM (35 km each way with 30 min pause) before it died, you can squeeze almost 100km if tweak down the settings

You enjoy it from 100 to 0%, it doesn't heat a lot, but below 75% you feel the difference in power, you loose like 5 to 10km/h top speed and a bit of torque

On the TFSU i don't know how you can kill it, when i did the same 70KM trip as the 11+ on mode 3, i came back with 60%

It is the kind of machine that you can do a modestly long trip even with 30% left, and there will still be enough battery when you are back

Only downside is it takes forever to charge even with a 5A fast charger, you need 2 fast chargers

6 : Offroad capabilities on both are limited, the suspension makes it smooth on any kind of terrain, but the tires on both are not grippy enough on rocks

Both have a metal structure that supports the mudguards, this metal structure sits too low (like the discs) for off road with big rocks, it will rattle and make some scary noises

Also both don't have a very high clearance in general, but the TFSU is closer to the ground

The 11+ would be "nimble" enough for off road, whereas the TFSU is way too heavy to enjoy it

7 : reliability, even though the 11+ is an old model, it is very reliable, i bought it second hand at 1800KM and added another 1200KM on it, never had anything broken or rattling, the electronics are perfect, never had a bug

Only issue with it is that it carries older IVCU models so the plug and play cables are of no use to me, i can't install the latest tft screen, i can't install a new + - and M module since the one i have is connected to the screen and together they make 1 piece

The TFSU on the other hand was a nightmare from the day of the transaction, the seller checked if it was alright before sending it and found out the battery was dead, i had to wait a month for him to get a replacement one

Electronics and cable are a bit shitty too, the brakes cable came pinched so it was way too sensitive, i couldn't ride with my fingers close to the brakes lever or it would accidentally trigger it

I had some loose connection between cables which made a controller error appear during acceleration, that would stop the motors for 3 or 4 seconds at time before getting the connection back

I tried to replace the index throttle with a thumb throttle but the plug and play pins were very hard to connect, it bent both connectors on the inside which left me without a throttle for a day before i manage to fix it

I think the TFSU is a steal compared to the 11+, i see it listed usually around 300 to 500€ more expensive than the 11+ on most of my chinese supplier, i bought mine for 2800€, best deal ever

The only reason you would dismiss the TFSU would be its weight, if at any point you need to lift it daily even the tiniest bit, it will ruin your life, it is not the kind of machine you take out for your 2km buying bread trip

TL ; DR : I know my review is way too long to be read by most, but all those informations would have saved me before i bought them, and go figure out why there is almost no TFSU review online

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