r/TheCrashNetflix

Fuckers need to be studied

i saw something on tiktok about mckenzie having a sister and how they took away her bedframe and wont let her out of the house and laugh at her, and that mckenzie is the golden child. does anyone know anything about that or can direct me to more chats about it on here, i searched and couldnt find any mention of it? it was so chilling, and when i saw photos of her sister i just felt for her, its scary, i hope shes okay. from the sound of the tiktok it sounded like theres a narcissistic abuse dynamic happening in the family, its very typical of familys where narcissism is rife. there is a scape goat child and a golden child, where the scape goat gets bullied by the parents and the other sibling (s). honestly its really gotten under my skin and its so horrifying, if anyone else has any info on this let me know please

Am I the only one to really look at how problematic a 3 year age gap is for a when they got together
Him being 16 and her being 13

Why is everyone like “oh it was just cool to have an elder boyfriend” but there’s a CLEAR maturity difference between a 13 year old and a 16 year old

(This is not victim shaming at all, I am NOT standing up for Mackenzie, I am simply casting light over this information no one seems to be looking at)

In case anyone is curious, I linked part one but there’s many and honestly, I believe her.
It does not surprise Mackenzie has no remorse or guilt over what happened. She clearly crashed the car on purpose, cranked the wheel so the side the boys were on, hit the building.
She’s a murderer, psycho and a narcissist.

How often did she actually wear one? Like she has more than enough clips and pics of her driving. How often in those clips was she wearing it? Because I have a feeling a seatbelt isn’t very aesthetically pleasing and cool. She was allegedly the only one in the car wearing one. Not that I REALLY think it would have made a difference considering the car was ripped in half. It just kinda puts more emphasis on intent.

Also mackiller looks like a cheap knock off of a euphoria character and based off when euphoria came out I think it’s pretty clear she was fan of the show. Unfortunately it’s obvious she got the WRONG message from the show because she has Zero critical thinking skills. Her and her mother are like hyper Pick me Karens.

I think there needs to be a wellness check on the sister. Mom has never had a thought she hasn't said out loud. Never even mentions a second daughter except telling Kensie about her hiding food in her room and laughing about her. She probably has a horrible story to tell. Poor girl. Can you imagine being Kensie's sister?

Okay, so Rosie’s boyfriend is featured heavily in the doc. I believe his name is Landon in the doc but everyone called him Bubba.
I just listened to a jail call between Mackenzie and her mom, and her mom reads her the social media comments about the case. They talk about one super long comment that was left on a YouTube video. Mackenzie’s mom reads the full comment to her. It’s very pro-Mackenzie. The mom says the comment was left by someone named Bubba. They discuss how they have no idea who Bubba is.
In the Netflix doc, Bubba is portrayed as such a good friend to Mackenzie and Dom. Yet Mackenzie seems to barely know him at all.
I guess it could be a different Bubba. Just thought it was interesting.

This is something I just can’t make sense of… If this was done on purpose, with intention, she was just as likely to die as the other two passengers - and had she, it probably never would have been investigated and considered a tragic accident.
I’m struggling to accept it as 1st degree murder when her life was equally at risk. I’m shocked the defense didn’t have some experts there to talk about how the brain of a teenager is still under-developed, particularly so with impulse control. That being the case, couldn’t the defense have argued temporary insanity? Or at least have argued for manslaughter-even 2nd degree murder? Generally speaking, suicidal ideation is associated with severe mental illness, so I’m struggling to understand how she could be charged with murder in the first. She can’t be both the narcissistic person described in the documentary AND someone willing to throw her life away in a matter of seconds. I tend to believe she is responsible for the death of the two boys, but it doesn’t quite seem equivalent to someone pulling out a gun, aiming it at the person and pulling the trigger, or picking up a knife and stabbing someone to death. Thoughts?

Did anyone else catch this? It wasn’t necessarily what she said but how she said it… She basically asks her attorneys to compliment her on a job well done. And why would those attorneys let her wear her hair like that?! I’m sorry, but if you are responsible for taking the lives of two people, and are still trying to present yourself as some kind of model/influencer, you’ve got your priorities wrong. Looking pretty isn’t gonna get you out of this one.

The job of a defense lawyer isn't always to try to convince the judge or jury that their client didn't do it. Sometimes the job is getting the lowest amount of time in prison for something the client did do. Had the defense been that it was purely a crime of passion with no prior intent, and Mackenzie owned up to that, she could have gotten a plea deal for lesser charges or been convicted of only vehicular manslaughter instead.

I don't know who had the most influence on the defense strategy, Mackenzie or her parents. A defense attorney can't defy the wishes of their client if they're insistent on arguing they didn't do a crime intentionally, so I'm not arguing the defense attorney was incompetent. I do think perhaps Mackenzie was too coddled by her parents and as a result didn't consider admitting even brief intent.

I’m surprised that I haven’t seen comments all over about the eating disorder that Kenzie clearly had/has prior to the crash. She is thin and frail. Indicates precarious mental health and one more things her terrible parents seem to have ignored.

I wanted to start this by saying that what Mackenzie likely committed is domestic homicide, defined as killing someone you're in an intimate relationship with, and she killed another innocent person too. I do not excuse her behaviour, and I am not involved with the Free Mackenzie movement. I am a true crime and psychology nerd, as well as having a Master's in psychology and research experience in domestic abuse. So I know my sh*t a little bit. I retrieved via Reddit a giant PDF with all the text messages exchanged between Mackenzie and Dom starting 2020, when she was 15 and he was 18, about two years before the murders, and I have spent a considerable amount of time reading them (I haven't finished reading through the document though). Not posting the link here as I believe Reddit may block it. I know that, according to the evidence, there were many signs that Mackenzie was controlling and threatening towards Dom. I also knew that many signs pointed towards her having a narcissistic personality, self-ossessed, no remorse. Etc. However, reading these messages showed me a different perspective. Most people are not born "monsters", but they become such. These messages show the portrait of a child (because that's who she was) who, since the age of 13, was in a relationship with someone older than her, who, on a daily basis (at least for a certain period):

• broke her trust with repeated false promises
• avoided accountability
• blamed her mindset for being upset at him
• alternated between insulting/ignoring her and then sleeping with her
• withheld his affection
• invalidated her emotions
• did not seem to care to be around her much
• gave her the silent treatment. Her behaviour and her words show the signs of a child with physical and psychological symptoms of extreme anxiety, probably with severe attachment wounds - something she wasn't guilty of. Somebody in other threads speculated she might be a survivor of childhood SA, perhaps even within the family, which we have no evidence for and is a big accusation, but often features in similar psychological profiles. Back to Kenz and Dom. It's enough to read through a brief extract to realise how traumatic their hot-and-cold relationship can be on developing brains, and let's add "regular use of drugs" to this mix. It sounds like Dom had his share of problems too, and Kenzie was explosive and had little respect for his boundaries, so it's a tricky situation. Kenzie's behaviour, that ended up in domestic homicide, makes me suspect that she might have developed borderline personality disorder, also called emotionally unstable disorder, a disorder that develops from childhood trauma and abuse, and that, if left untreated, can lead to harm to self and others. Stories of school aggressions and bullying and pretending to be "better than everybody else", with a seemingly shallow persona, also fit into this portrait of despair. Kenzie and Dom both look quite sad in this picture, both mentioning wanting to end their lives amongst other things. Dom wanted to become a millionaire, and Kenzie cares about her appearance, for sure, but this portrait shows that, most of all, she is lonely, very lonely, and desperately attached to her boyfriend, on a rollercoaster where she feels high when she picks up breadcrumbs of love from him - unable to break up from him and break the toxic pattern. To be fair, they're both unable to break up, and in this bleak picture, there are some bittersweet moments when they both seem to care about each other's wellbeing. If you think this is crazy, you haven't experienced a co-dependent relationship - a very common situation for young people who have experienced trauma, in absence of the right support. His avoidant behaviour also seems to be a consequence of his own trauma, and it's likely that his silence and avoidance stem from a fear of her aggressive or controlling reactions. When they're not heard, some people learn to shout louder, and some people learn to crawl down in silence. She doesn't seem to have any loyal friends, and her friends showing up in "The Crash" movie don't look like they understood that much about her or her relationship. Finally, both of their families seem to be at the edges, or even bring further chaos into the picture rather than calm and guidance. As I said before, I am not writing this piece to justify what Mackenzie did, or to ignore all the abusive words and deeds that she did to him before the murders/attempted suicide. I want to show a complementary side of the picture, and most of all, I want to raise awareness of the dynamics that ultimately lead people to develop personality disorders, and sometimes to hurt others. If we don't want more tragedies to happen, we need to be able to recognise the origins of trauma and violence. Validate children's and teenagers' emotions. Give them the nurturing space that they need. They're not "just kids": we need to offer them real mental health support.

Is it just me or does anyone else remember that almost all teenagers girls/ girls in their young 20s go through some sort toxic relationship, act a damn fool, and are terrible drivers ?

The week I turned 18 I tried parallel parking, while trying to adjust and go again, I scraped my passenger side on the car parked in front of me … panicked and slammed on my gas pedal by accident. Almost flew on to the opposite sidewalk. And don’t even get me started on the fights I’ve heard throughout the years amongst young people …

Yes, she could have been nuts and toxic. Yes, she could have been a terrible girlfriend. But seriously ? Murder like that ? I don’t think so. Sounds like a very stupid young person. The POTS thing just seemed like a stretch from the parents to protect their baby.

Just gonna throw it out there… I feel pretty confident that this rhetoric is coming from Mackenzie‘s own family to offset all of the absolutely warranted horrible press on their little monster extension of themselves

Not only was it sickening watching the doc. & her crappy parents annoying tf outta me ...BUT the parents are doing interviews .I specifically just saw the dad do a interview w. TMZ & of course he is making his sorry excuse of a woman (McKenzie) out 2B the real victim...& im just SHOCKED @ HOW TONE DEAF THE PARENTS ARE...in this interview the dad goes on 2 say how "if it was just Davion she wouldn't of got charged bc of his race /ethnicity.." then this asswipe goes on 2 say "she only got so much time bc of Dom's last name (ig the family has some political ties in Ohio??)"..&& he goes on 2 make himself the victim bc he is suspended 4rm his job while they "investigate " EVEN THO HIS CONTRACT IS UP IN JUNE "...👊🏿👊🏿🤮🤮👊🏿👊🏿... THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS REALLY FUCKED & IT SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS WEN PARENTS CONSTANTLY MAKE EXCUSES & THEIR CHILD CAN DO NO WRONG IN THEIR EYES ...

&&WAT REALLY GOT ME ..WAS HIM SAYING "if there was a trial & JURY SHE WOULDVE BEEN FOUND "NOT GUILTY"...AND ITS LIKE WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PPL LIVING ON ❓️❔️..it cant be planet earth like the rest of us ..

☆☆EDIT☆☆ APPARENTLY I HAD SUM TYPOS ..SORRY GUYS ..I THINK I FIXED THEM🤦🏿🤷🏿