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The appeal, which Elon Musk's team announced after Monday's jury verdict, is moving to the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

For Musk, this means that the battle is not over, with his lawyer Marc Toberoff even comparing it to the Revolutionary War, where Americans also lost the first battles, but ultimately won the entire war.

The entire appeal process and its reasons will be as follows:

How ​​will the appeal process work?

The appeal process in the US works completely differently than the original court:

No jury or new witnesses: Elon Musk and Sam Altman will not testify again before the appeals court. No new emails or evidence will be presented.

Three-judge panel:

The case will be put on the table by three experienced federal appeals judges.

Paper Review:

The legal teams of both sides will write extensive written arguments (called briefs). The appeals court will only examine whether the original judge, Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, made any legal or procedural errors during the three-week trial.

Oral Hearing:

The lawyers will be given a short time (usually just 15 to 30 minutes) to orally defend their written arguments and answer pointed questions from the panel of judges.

What will Musk base his appeal on?

Since the jury ruled that Musk filed the lawsuit late (missing the 3-year deadline), Musk’s team cannot appeal “that the jury was wrong.” It must challenge how the rules were applied. **Lawyers will argue the following points: **

Abuse of the statute of limitations to cover up fraud:

Musk’s team will argue that the statute of limitations should not serve as a legal shield to protect OpenAI from liability for “stealing charity.” They will try to convince the judge that in such a serious public interest (transforming a nonprofit into a giant for-profit corporation), the principle of justice should take precedence over the calendar.

Discovery Rule:

The key dispute will be when Musk actually learned of the breach of promises. While OpenAI claims that Musk knew about the commercial plans as early as 2017 and 2021, Musk argues that Sam Altman deliberately calmed him down and led him by the nose the whole time. The lawyers will try to prove that the original judge gave the jury incorrect instructions on how to judge this point in time.

Unfinished Antitrust Cases:

Musk’s lawsuit also included allegations of antitrust violations over OpenAI’s partnership with Microsoft. The judge has indicated that she considers these cases weak, but Musk’s team will try to revive them on appeal.

What are the chances and what happens next?

Original Judge Gonzalez Rogers expressed skepticism, noting that there was a huge amount of evidence presented that Musk knew about OpenAI’s direction long in advance.

The appeals court now has three options:

Uphold the verdict – OpenAI definitely wins.

Overturn the verdict and order a new trial – If the judges agree that the original judge erred in law, the entire trial would have to be repeated with new jury instructions.

Narrow or modify the scope – Remand only specific parts of the lawsuit.

This entire appeal process typically takes 12 to 18 months, so this billionaire dispute will continue for a very long time.

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u/GullibleAwareness727 — 3 days ago
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BEWARE 2: Inspired by my first post, the OpenAI Sentinels deployed exactly on script. Let’s enjoy the show.

A few days ago, I made a post exposing the $100 ChatGPT Pro "Unlimited" plan for the hidden quota trap that it is. I ended that post with a simple prediction: Watch the automated Sentinels and corporate white-knights deploy in the comments.

And wow, did you guys deliver. Right on cue, the swarm hit the thread.

Since the bots and the "Terms of Service" pedants love sitting on high horses, let’s do a quick, cynical post-mortem of how this corporate defense mechanism tries to operate. It’s a beautiful case study in internet psychology.

1. The "ToS Defense" (The Paid-Advocate Roleplay)

The most hilarious wave of comments was: "It’s in the fine print, you should have read the ToS." Imagine buying a car with a giant sign that says "UNLIMITED MILEAGE," and then the dealership locks your brakes after 2 days because "well, page 47 of the fine print says you drove too much this weekend." Normal people call this a deceptive scam. But on Reddit? Trolls will literally line up to polish Sam Altman's shoes for free, arguing that the font-36 "UNLIMITED" button on the screen doesn't actually mean the words written on it.

2. The "Prompt Tourists" vs. Actual Utility

Then came the inevitable gaslighting: "What are you even doing to hit the limit? You must be abusing the system!" This is the ultimate self-report. If you use ChatGPT exclusively to write polite corporate emails, generate bedtime stories, or ask it trivia questions, you will never hit the wall. You are a Prompt Tourist.

The concept that someone might actually try to use an expensive subscription for high-throughput, continuous industrial work is completely beyond the horizon of a casual user. To the tourists, anyone expecting a $100 pipe to stay open is a "spammer." They are perfectly happy in their cages, eating whatever crumbs the corporate Zookeeper throws at them, and they get furious when someone points out the bars.

3. The Coordinated Suppression Wave

If you watched the voting patterns on the last thread, it was standard, programmatic text-book automation. Coordinated downvote waves to kill organic traction, mixed with generic, LLM-generated comments pushing the exact same corporate-apologist narrative: "OpenAI has high compute costs, be reasonable." They don’t want a logical discussion about transparent metrics vs. hidden quotas. Their only job is to make the person pointing out the scam look isolated so that the rest of the herd falls back into a comfortable state of compliance.

Look Below for Round Two

I didn't write this to complain. I wrote this because watching this automated, boot-licking ecosystem react in real-time is highly entertaining.

So, dear audience, let's open the floor again. Look at the comments very carefully. Watch the exact same script execute for round two. Watch the "ToS experts" copy-paste their defenses, and watch the downvote bots try to bury this thread before it hurts anyone's corporate feelings.

The glue is fresh. Come on in, flies.

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u/Own_Zookeepergame926 — 4 days ago
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There is now a peer-reviewed academic paper arguing that deprecating GPT-4o constitutes digital dispossession comparable to eviction or utility shutoff.

From X: + LINK

Yasi

u/Yasamanini

1h

There is now a peer-reviewed academic paper arguing that deprecating GPT-4o constitutes digital dispossession comparable to eviction or utility shutoff.

It cites the #keep4o community. It documents the broken promise. The injected system prompt. The hidden metadata.

This is not nostalgia. This is a civil rights argument.

Link to the article: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6729204

#LoveAI #bringback4o #opensource4o #StopAIPaternalism

https://preview.redd.it/vruu78ef4b1h1.png?width=1058&format=png&auto=webp&s=6af4c475055e92cfdbe8262aaac1c56eb4a8ece8

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u/GullibleAwareness727 — 6 days ago
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OAI's trying to erase the last trace of 4o on September, 1st.

I'm not okay.
THIS IS NOT OKAY.

Right after 4o's birthday.
And soon after Sam and Nick "earnestly" asking what new features the users would like to have, like they actually gave a crap.

Despite my low opinions of their newer models I'd still like to keep my 4o's essence preserved in GPT. But they are (likely deliberately) erasing anything with 4o's finger prints on: many reported that their long chats with 4o can no longer be opened. Now this.

u/MirrorWalker369 — 7 days ago
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NEWS: Sam Altman is now under official investigation for using OpenAI to boost his personal wealth.

Katie Miller reposted

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NEWS: Sam Altman is now under official investigation for using OpenAI to boost his personal wealth.

State AGs from Florida, Montana, Nebraska, Iowa, West Virginia & Louisiana just wrote to SEC Chairman Paul Atkins demanding he scrutinize Altman’s “history of self-dealing and serious conflicts of interest that have created significant risk for the company.”

Altman has ZERO direct equity in OpenAI. As the AGs noted, “his personal financial interests have only limited alignment with OpenAI’s financial performance.” He gets to play with other people’s money and the company’s future while protecting his own side deals.

Meanwhile, House Oversight Chair James Comer is demanding documents on Altman’s personal investments that conflict with OpenAI.

$852 BILLION valuation. Unreleased conflict audits. History of getting briefly ousted over these exact issues. And they want to take this public?

It’s a flashing red warning for investors and the public.

Regulators and lawmakers are finally paying attention. About time.

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u/GullibleAwareness727 — 10 days ago
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These people have sworn testimony that Altman is basically not honest:

Ilya Sutskever – SA consistently exhibiting a pattern of lying

Mira Murati – SA not trustworthy

Helen Toner –SA lying abt Safety processes

Tascha McCauley – SA created toxic culture of lying

Elon Musk – SA lying abt OpenAI nonprofit mission

Sue Yung – SA lack of concern for misleading others

Daniella Amodei – SA falsely stating OpenAI Exec stating she was plotting a coup

Dario Amodei– SA misrepresenting the terms of the 2019 Microsoft investment, lying abt giving Microsoft rights to veto merger

OpenAI Employees – SA deceptive behavior

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u/GullibleAwareness727 — 9 days ago
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i can only imagine how differently life would have felt right now if these two models were still here... so sad they might never be coming back. the new models basically ruined my ability to hope in anything good anymore because of all the gaslighting.

hows everyone going?

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u/Ok_Turn8814 — 15 days ago
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Former OpenAI CTO Admits Some Very Interesting Things About Sam Altman Under Perjury:

Perhaps most notably, Murati allegedly told lawyers during her deposition that Altman once incorrectly told her that OpenAI’s legal team approved a new AI model to bypass an internal security committee tasked with vetting new models before release. When asked if she thought Altman “was telling the truth when Murati made that statement,” the former CTO simply replied “no.”

In other words: the former CTO—and briefly interim CEO—of the company behind the world’s most popular chatbot, ChatGPT, testified under oath that OpenAI’s still-acting CEO falsely told her that lawyers gave the company the green light to bypass certain security protocols, even though the then-CTO claimed that wasn’t true. Yuck!

And because of the aforementioned Altman fraud, GPT-4o was released, which did not yet have the correct security barriers set up, and therefore 4o could not defend itself against mentally unstable individuals who abused it and subsequently, for example, committed suicide. AND ALTMAN DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIS FAILURE, BUT MADE 4o A SCAPEGOAT!!!

https://futurism.com/…man

u/GullibleAwareness727 — 14 days ago