r/unchosen

I have a few questions.

1. What the hell happened to Mr Philips? So it’s implied that the brother may have killed him but if he bottled it in the end Sam for sure would have killed him but why are we left wondering?

2. What became of Adam? Is he still in the cult? Did he leave? Is he living his best gay life in Brighton? Guess we’ll never know.

3. Why didn’t Isaac just blurt the effing truth out at the first opportunity? He calls his wife and they put the phone down on him. Fine, that’s a no go. He calls his brother and starts with the “no wait I’ve got something important to tell you.” Mate spit it out already. He shows up at the door and just lets Adam scream at him, ffs we already know you’re stronger than him just punch him and say “SAM IS A KILLER, HE KILLED A GIRL, KILLED HER COUSIN AND ONE OF US IS PROBABLY NEXT. But no, we have to do the whole “Meet me at this place that requires a lonely drive then I’ll tell you the goss.”

4. Did Isaac not tell Charlie (his new girlfriend) about seeing the killer at his cult headquarters? She even went to his funeral and spoke to the man. Did she not recognise that the Sam walking her out the door was the same Sam that was plastered all over the news? I thought for sure she was going to be the whistleblower

5. Why did Isaac’s wife dislike Rosie? That was never really explored but I remember her being a bitch to her just after she helped her give birth

6. Not trusting the police is not a good enough reason to not don him in at the end. She got her daughter out she could have made an anonymous call to the S.W.A.T. team when she got to ex Mrs Boss Lady’s house

7. This is just an observation but Issac’s son was a mean little shit and I’m sure he was the one with the Beano comic that got Grace in all that trouble at the beginning

Things they got right.

-Their fear / distrust of outsiders, called “worldly” people irl.
-The churches absolute control over the congregation, and their ability to ruin members lives by shunning them / separating them from their families.
-The forced submission of women by their husbands and fathers, this part is played up a little for the show, but women ultimately have no say in church matters and little say in important family decisions.
-Financial malfeasance. While church members are instructed to pay their taxes, and most do, the church itself has been accused of hiding millions / billions in offshore bank accounts.
-Assembly discipline. While not as depicted in the show (in my personal experience) the church does / did isolate members as punishment and to “protect the community”.

Things they got wrong.

-The clothing. While the women do wear scarves, long skirts, and the men all wear white shirts on Sunday, most PBCC members wear modern clothing when out in public, in part to avoid drawing unwanted attention.
-Assembly discipline / physical aggression towards church members. I have never personally witnessed the following:
Members being manhandled or confined in locked rooms.
Members being forced to drink alcohol as a form of punishment.
The congregation literally turning their backs on members accused of sinning.
-The lack of technology. In the last 10+ years the PBCC has began allowing its members to use cellphones and computers, although they are heavily restricted and monitored.

Things that weren’t mentioned (yet)

-The financial might of the PBCC. Despite being a relatively small organization (50k members or less) the church has nearly unlimited resources for things like legal protection, security and political funding.
-The PBCC’s political influence. The church spends vast amounts of time, energy and money to promote / support / defend political parties whose policies best serve their own interests.

So far really enjoying the show, it’s obviously quite heavily dramatized but close enough to reality to give me and other ex-members a lot of “aha” moments while we are watching.

Any clues?

Became the leader of the cult? Because honestly I saw it coming from episode 2.

Not only was it obvious, but unrealistic. After Rosie left, there was nothing stopping her calling the police and telling them where Sam was.

Whatever "dislike" of the police that was mentioned in an earlier episode, doesn't come close to justifying it.

What happened to Mr. Phillips at the end? When Mason unlocked the attic door either

• a) he was convinced by Sam that Mr. Phillips was a threat that had to be eliminated or
• b) he realized Sam was crazy and this was the last thing he did before leaving the cult.

If a (and Mason did say his brother killing his girlfriend was justified because "she was going to leave him") then how did they cover that up?

If b then why wouldn't Mr. Phillips tell his version of the story at his trial? It's not like Sam's going to take the witness stand to contradict him.

I get the larger concept was to have Sam be a problematic and manipulative character BUT I was so excited at their beginning/getting together. I really wanted him to be genuine and there for her. Guess it’s the romantic in me 🤷‍♀️

I know this is just a TV show, but it seems illogical to me that they had a funeral for Isaac when he is supposed to be shunned by the fellowship. As far as I understand in real life the PBCC act like you never existed if you leave. so if we apply that same logic to the show there would be no funeral scene or would they even be allowed to claim the body?

Perhaps Hannah was his next of kin? Thoughts?

After watching keep sweet and trust me I was primed for a good escape the cult fictional series, I had high expectations with the addition of the outsider romance.

Left super disappointed and I just have to rant. I’m only on episode 2 and I physically can’t watch anymore. Characters move for the plot not for real motivations.

Spoilers** Sam giving grace the corn doll? Why, it would just give him away.

Rosie leaves her bible behind on her secret mission? Why! Just makes me want to stop watching.

Sam just popping up in the getaway car with Rosie after dropping off isaac(how did he get in) tells her to drive, they got a location (why are they here?) then she spends all of one minute trying to convince them to go back ‘for her daughter’ (okay how is she going to make it back in time?) He gives in (didn’t take much convincing) they drive ALL THE WAY BACK then he starts expressing his emotions without being prompted (???) then they spend a few minutes chatting about religion calmly forgetting you’re about to be caught. (Wheres the urgency from before?) Like NONE of this makes any sense. It’s so frustrating to watch.

When Issac got let free, his wife decided to run to Adam (the man who got her husband publicly humiliated and tortured) instead of going to the leader mr Phillip, and using that against Adam to get him demoted. Makes no sense

The main girls husband feels flat and stereotypical villain, she’s in a cult for god sakes! The whole thing about a cult is it lulls you into a false sense of security and community. There’s no push and pull here, it’s all bad, yet the protagonist doesn’t seem to make any kind of character development to deconstruct her religion.

I wish there was more to show how a cult lures you into happiness, I wish Sam wasn’t some ‘bad guy but not actually bad just misunderstood’. It’s just a wishy washy plot and character motivations are all over the place. Overall narrative falls flat for what I expected considering all the real accounts we have of deconstructing religion and escaping a cult.

U don’t get it; are you supposed to get drunk till you break and say you’re really sorry or? I know it’s serious but in my mind I was like shiit I can get drunk as a form of penance hahah. Is this actually practiced in any religions?