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Europeans drew out an entire "continent" because of linguistic, cultural, and religious differences from the massive landmass of Eurasia. However, when it comes to Africa, the second-largest landmass where people are far more diverse, it just gets one general shameful name because some guy lost a war.

The term "Africa" originally only applied to a small territory in modern-day Tunisia where a Roman general defeated a Carthaginian general in war.

Because the Roman general defeated that guy, the Romans conquered the territory. They named the new province "Africa" after the local Afri tribe, and the winning general was given the honorary title "Africanus" for his victory.

Later, that term was used in general for the unknown regions of the sub-Sahara as well.

To use the notion of "Africa" is to use a Eurocentric worldview and not a linguistic, cultural, or religious one. The Europeans reasonably created a separate "continent" out of a massive landmass and called anyone outside of their region Asian or African.

Arab? Asian. Dravidian? Asian. Korean? Asian. Persian? Asian. Turk? Asian.

Egyptian? African. Habesha? African. Zulu? African. Igbo? African. Bantu? African.

It's just completely Eurocentric nonsense.

We're not all the same people, so why believe, think, and act like it?

Hannibal, a guy we've never heard of from a people we've never heard of, lost to a Roman guy we've never heard of, but somehow we're African...

i dont believe you can take an "Amhara" forum seriously when the head mod is supposedly a half-tigre which will obviously censor, combat, and try to outright remove anything that he deems unfavorable to tigres. (i suspect the other mods too).

i had a detailed post which broke no rules and he simply took it down. he ignored dms, used another mod to talk with me, and that mod u/Early_Ad_7240 couldnt refute it either so they just said no.

r/Amhara seems to be systematically run by non-Amharas. there was an oromo extremist, u/fasil12355 , who was *gave* head mod status to u/Axumite2031 after being exposed for hating Amharas in the mereja forum (using the same username btw lol).

That fasil guy handed the head mod status to the same guy who removed my post regarding the origins of the province of tigre.

what do you guys think? if you agree, just upvote this so anyone coming here can simply be aware at least.

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I read this post and it all clicked... The word Tigray just means merchant but to the Aksumites a merchant was just someone who worked for them. The elite delt with the military(where the power was) and left the petty trading in the coastlines which was taxed by them because of their military control of it (Adulis was an international trading hub).

Aksum had state sponsored trading with large quantities of goods. Micro-trades were done by traveling merchants and occurred on the coastlines. Think of your cliche merchant who drops a tent (dinquan) and trades some stuff and leaves. However, some of these merchants ended up settling on the coastlines and became known as Tigre, or merchants (TGR).

Those micro-traders/traveling merchants were usually of arab descent from yemen or mixed coastal peoples due to their mobile nature (you know the connotation of being mixed).

Most notably, Those Tigres were subdued vassals because they were trading on the lands of the Aksumites and were seen as the lowest class because they were mixed, pagan(not Christian), and usually wandering(no Rist/land ownership).

The state of being a subdued peoples and socially the lowest class became synonymous with being a slave as the Tigre paid taxes to the Aksumite state and were considered as mere vassalized coastal barbarians. Over time, after the decline of Aksum, these people moved inland because the opportunities of coastal trading were gone. They moved inland to what would basically be the northern half of eritrea (close to Adulis but inland for settling and safety).

Then much later the province of Tigray (pronounced Tigre and called Tigre in earlier times) was invented in the early 1300s by emperor Amde Tsion I and named Tigre to insult the nobility who knew exactly what it connotated. The elite *hated* being called this and NEVER called themselves verbatim Tigres.

Funnily, to some random nobody who doesnt know of the history of the region (or maybe a real Tigre) they claim the Tigre identity.

The TPLF has been trying to change the name from Tigre to Tigray as in Tigrai, calling themselves Tegaru, Tigrayway etc but theyre doing this because they know the meaning of the word.

They know what Tigre means and theyre trying to change it into some tigrayway lol.

Nigre?

I made a really detailed post regarding the origins of the province of Tigre and what Tigre really means. Alot of Tigres started reporting it to the mods and coping in the comments.

It quickly got removed by the supposed half-tigre mod u/Axumite2031. He wouldnt tell me why it got banned either, just silent.

I talked about it with u/Early_Ad_7240 where he was debating it with me in the DMs. He first said it was hate speech but then realized none of it was. It was just history that someone was uncomfortable with so they called it hate speech to remove it (Axusmite2031).

Eventually, after trying his best to defend tigres through moving the goal post 7 different times, he caved and said "stop arguing your post isn't getting put back up" and simply ghosted.

I mind you, no hate speech, slurs, or anything hateful. Literally just taking apart history using a multi-faceted approach. This made a reddit mod uncomfortable so he took down a post that broke none of the rules.

To give you an "analogy" ;) of what i wrote:

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I basically said the modern day usage of the N-word like n*ggas actually originates from the word Ngro which meant black. It referred to the slaves who relative to the pale skinned western europeans were black skinned (west/central africans).

Ngro -> Ngger -> Ngga(s)

Without historical context, some people with no understanding of the history behind the word would think its something casual to say.

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If you find that as hate speech then you wouldve found my post as hate speech. Even though it was entirely just history.

Thats 2/3 moderators in r/Amhara

I wouldnt be surprised if the last guy is secretly a tigre too. After all, somehow an oromo extremist (that fasil guy) was a mod here for years until he was exposed in the most obvious way and "replaced" ;).

I read this post and it all clicked... The word Tigray just means merchant but to the Aksumites a merchant was just someone who worked for them. The elite delt with the military(where the power was) and left the petty trading in the coastlines which was taxed by them because of their military control of it (Adulis was an international trading hub).

Aksum had state sponsored trading with large quantities of goods. Micro-trades were done by traveling merchants and occurred on the coastlines. Think of your cliche merchant who drops a tent (dinquan) and trades some stuff and leaves. However, some of these merchants ended up settling on the coastlines and became known as Tigre, or merchants (TGR).

Those micro-traders/traveling merchants were usually of arab descent from yemen or mixed coastal peoples due to their mobile nature (you know the connotation of being mixed).

Most notably, Those Tigres were subdued vassals because they were trading on the lands of the Aksumites and were seen as the lowest class because they were mixed, pagan(not Christian), and usually wandering(no Rist/land ownership).

The state of being a subdued peoples and socially the lowest class became synonymous with being a slave as the Tigre paid taxes to the Aksumite state and were considered as mere vassalized coastal barbarians. Over time, after the decline of Aksum, these people moved inland because the opportunities of coastal trading were gone. They moved inland to what would basically be the northern half of eritrea (close to Adulis but inland for settling and safety).

Then much later the province of Tigray (pronounced Tigre and called Tigre in earlier times) was invented in the early 1300s by emperor Amde Tsion I and named Tigre to insult the nobility who knew exactly what it connotated. The elite *hated* being called this and NEVER called themselves verbatim Tigres.

Funnily, to some random nobody who doesnt know of the history of the region (or maybe a real Tigre) they claim the Tigre identity.

The TPLF has been trying to change the name from Tigre to Tigray as in Tigrai, calling themselves Tegaru, Tigrayway etc but theyre doing this because they know the meaning of the word.

They know what Tigre means and theyre trying to change it into some tigrayway lol.

Nigre?

This is specifically for habesha Eritreans (Tigray).

Was there an "eritrean" identity before italy? or was it a habesha people?

Who catalyzed the Eritrean separation movements? was it initially muslim lowlanders or habesha highlanders?

Who did the crimes against eritreans? was it habeshas or was it the oromo-led communist derg and the usurper haile selassie?

The concept of eritrea is an italian invention ironed by the crimes of a non-habesha Ethiopian government (which no Ethiopian liked and suffered under) and initially speared by non-habesha muslims with no affinity to Abyssinia/Ethiopia.

So, why isnt there much pan-habeshaism amongst Amharas, Tigrays, and Gurages (Gurages literally are from Gura. Gura-ge, the people of/from the land of Gura and settled during the early 1300s).

Abyssinia literally means the land of the habesha.

Amharas want it, Gurages want it, but Ethiopian Tigrays are under the parasitic TPLF and as for Eritrea, im not sure if there is pan-habeshaism.

(habesha = ethio/cush-semites. almost always orthodox Christian, semetic speaking, and highland populating)

This is regarding oromos.

A very obvious pattern you see post-oromo migration is the aimless hate for Amharas.

The fundamental irony escapes oromos that they migrated TO Amharas.

Imagine GOING to someone (after they just ended the worse war in the region's history), trying to ethnically cleanse them, they fight back, then you hate them and want to get rid of them???

How many of the oromos in central Ethiopia even know the people they hate are the people they LITERALLY migrated to, attacked, and partially assimilated?

How many of them know that theyre probably descendants of ethnically cleansed Amharas, Gafat, Gurage, Harla, etc?

They would rather be protestant or muslim than share a religion with Amharas, they would rather use the objectively tedious latin alphabet than Amharic, they would rather associate with having a separate nation than being Ethiopian (especially the diaspora, deep programming).

Even in the diaspora the anti-Amhara axis is very strong. Somali - Oromo bonding is almost plain to see and your occasional Tigray - Oromo as well.

All for about 400 years, assimilation has honestly failed.

When all forms of assimilation have essentially failed, when will Amharas say "We obviously tried for 400 years, time to call it quits." then take everything north of the rift valley and leave the rest into the historical backwaters it always was?

Its quite easy to argue he was the beginning of the end for Ethiopia after Menelik II.

- Got the ordained to be emperor and grandson Menelik II, Iyasu V; dethroned, imprisoned, then himself crowned, and later got Iyasu V murdered.

- Broke a fundamental rule of the monarchy by causing a queen of kings instead king of kings which in verbatim was not allowed.

- Fled when Italy invaded which made him the first emperor to abandon his people during a war.

Menelik II directly fought in the first Italo-Ethiopian war.

Tewodros II fought until he decided dying by his own hands was better than being defeated.

Yohannes IV died in battle.

- Mistreated Eritreans and neglected that they had a unique history compared to other provinces. This started their resentment towards Ethiopia.

- Feeding his dog steak and celebrating its birthday when people were starving and struggling.

- Gave 500 acres (about 400 football fields) of free land to people no one knew of when historically, land was given to those who either captured it on behalf of the empire or purchased it. Never mind how rasteferians were/are explicit heretics which worshipped him as some kind of god.

- Came back and got a war hero hanged out of fear(Belay Zeleke).

- Focused on his appearance far more than the reality of things (a pattern we see in Ethiopia to date).

- Threw away the Ras titles and broke down the centuries old way which kept kings in check through provincial Rases (no one came to save him during the communist coup).

There's also this misconception that he was just Amhara.

Reality is that he was mixed (just like every other emperor), he was supposedly Gurage, Oromo, and Amhara.

However, his maternal ancestry is questionable.

The theory goes that:

After his supposed mother Yeshimebet Ali had about 9 miscarriages(consecutively) his father eventually resorted to a concubine. He then had Yeshimebet killed when haile selassie was about 2 years old so that people couldn't visually estimate him not being related to her or that she might talk about it.

Ras Makonen was known to have concubines and haile selassie even had a older half-brother from a relationship Ras Makonen had before Yeshimebet.

Ironically, the fact that haile selassie erased as much documentation and references to his mother corroborates this theory. You can find various pictures of his father but regarding his mother you almost find nothing but one old sketchy painting.

This would align with how haile selassie seemed rather insecure of himself and overcompensated his legitimacy through various ways like forcing people to walk backwards instead of turning their back to him when he was in office.

This is a genuine theory that circulated back then and you might occasionally hear it from elders if you ask around.

He knew he was illegitimate to begin with and was paranoid people might overthrow him because of that.

Plus the guy looks sketchy.