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Hello, as the title states, I will grant you, for the sake of argument, that Muhammad did all the miracles attributed to him. I will also grant you that the Quran is miraculous and that 90% of his prophecies were accurate (not end times related ones but the ones for his time.)

Given this, please demonstrate how Muhammad is a prophet of the TRUE God who brought us the Torah, Psalms and Gospel.

Deuteronomy 13 (Torah) and Matthew 24 (Gospel) both speak of REAL prophets, ones who will come with actual signs and wonders, but won't be acting on behalf of the One True God.

So basically: given what I've granted you, explain how Muhammad is a true prophet of God given that there already exists the idea of prophets who will come and truly do signs and miracles but will lead you away from The Most High.

Thank you.

Hello, I have a couple of objections to Islam, you can address whichever one you think you have the best answer for I guess.

1. The Scripture-Bearing Lineage

Surah 29:27 says that the scripture bearing lineage is Abraham through Isaac and Jacob.

Proof; Jesus, Moses and David are all descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus and David are actually descended from the same son of Jacob, Judah, whereas Moses is descended from Jacob through Levi.

Muhammad is descended from Abraham through Ishmael (not in the lineage at all)

2. A Fair Test

A fair test works like this: I give you the material, you study the material, and then there's a test on the material.

Translation: The Bible is the material that we study.

The test: The Quran. Do we trust it?

How do we know? Well, we look at the material.

If we are given false information first as Islam says and THEN we get the real answers afterwards, this is clearly backwards! This is not fair in the slightest. Because how do we confirm the Qurans claims if the answer sheet is corrupt? We can't! And so LOGICALLY, we have to have the good answer sheet in the Bible (or it's not fair.)

3. The continuation problem

I believe it's Surah 61:6 that says we can find Muhammad by name in the Gospel.

Well, there's an issue.

Because if the entire point of Muhammad coming was to correct what was corrupted before him, how is it that Jesus predicted his coming?

Do you understand the issue?

If Muhammad's only point was to come correct what we messed up, and Jesus is predicting his coming, Jesus is teaching that we are going to mess up his teachings and so his teachings would literally be "you're going to mess up what I'm going to tell you (which is this) and then Muhammad will come correct it"

That makes negative amounts of sense in my eyes.

How can Jesus' teachings encompass the coming of Muhammad who will contradict the teachings we receive from Christ?

Obviously you'd say they wouldn't contradict them, right?

But if they don't contradict then in that time Jesus would have no reason to announce the coming of Muhammad.

Do you see or no?

Muhammads sole purpose is to correct what we messed up supposedly, but at the time that he's announced according to the Quran, nothing has gone awry. We're still on track at that point. And so we're on track but announcing someone to come who will get us back on track?

That does not track

Hey so I was wondering what y'all think about the claim that the Quran comes from the same author as the Bible?

When I read the Quran it seems like a completely different entity than the one that would be behind the Bible. Like it doesn't even read the same at all?

If you were claiming to be the same entity as the one behind a different book, it should read at least somewhat the same, no? Otherwise: how would I be able to tell the difference between someone pretending to be you and you?

I guess you can emulate someone's writing style but the Quran didn't even try to do that it seems and the things that entity claims to know or states as fact is different from what the Bible does. For Muslims that means the Bible was corrupted. But even if you corrupted the Bible, you can still read between the lines and see that these are not the same entities behind each respective book, yes? Like ones telling a sequential story from start to finish while the other is just pulling random stories in no particular order and unconnected it seems like.

Anyway lemme know what you think! Thanks!

Edit: idk where I confused people but what I'm NOT saying is this: the same person literally sat down and wrote both books.

What I AM saying is this: Muslims claim the entity behind the Quran is the same entity behind the Bible.

If you read both books side by side, I DO NOT GET THAT IMPRESSION.

I was wondering what you guys thought (same or not) and why or why not.

Thank you