On This Day in 1274: King Edward I was crowned King of England
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On This Day in 1274: King Edward I was crowned King of England

Edward had technically been king since his father Henry III died in 1272, but he was away on crusade and did not return to England until August 1274. He was anointed and crowned by Archbishop Robert Kilwardby, with Alexander III of Scotland and many of the English nobility present.

The coronation marked the beginning of a long, turbulent, and memorable reign. Edward would go on to conquer Wales and wage decades of war against Scotland, earning the nickname “Hammer of the Scots.”

Eleanor of Castile was also crowned Queen of England on the same day as her husband.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 18 hours ago

Have you ever seen a more bizarre statues of monarchs? This one in Caen is supposedly meant to depict William the Conqueror and Matilda of Flanders.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 2 days ago

How many years after an event is a source still considered “near contemporary”?

I’ve been reading some medieval chronicles and I’m curious about something.

What exactly is considered a near contemporary source? Is there a generally accepted number of years after an event before a source is considered “near contemporary” or simply a later source?

For example, if a chronicler writes about an event 20 - 30 years after it happened, would you still consider them near contemporary, or is that too long?

I know it probably depends on the context, but I’m interested in how this term is generally used.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 3 days ago
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According to Gerald of Wales, Henry II had a painting made foretelling that his own sons would be the death of him

Gerald of Wales wasn’t exactly the most reliable writer, but his works are full of some seriously wild stories and anecdotes. He was known to exaggerate and embellish things, so it’s best to take some of his accounts with a grain of salt. Still, his stories are pretty entertaining.

In On the Instruction of a Prince, Gerald tells of a painting Henry II supposedly commissioned to represent his four troublesome sons:

> But it happened that there was a chamber at Winchester beautiful with various painted figures and colours, and a certain place in it which was left clear by the royal command, where a little time after the king [Henry II] ordered an eagle to be painted, and four young ones of the eagle sitting upon it, two upon the two wings, and a third upon the middle of the body, the fourth, not less than the others, sitting upon the neck, and more keenly watching the moment to peck out the eyes of its parent.

> But being asked by those who were on intimate terms with him what this picture might mean, he said, "The four young ones of the eagle are my four sons, who will not cease to persecute me even unto death. The younger of them, whom I even now embrace with such tender affection, will sometime at the last insult me more grievously and more dangerously than all the others."

> Thus, therefore, his mind foreboding evils, pictured to himself those future sorrows which should arise to him from his children; and afterwards embodying the conception of his mind, he caused it to be painted by an artificial representation.

If this painting ever actually existed, I’d be first in line to pay just to see it lol.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 5 days ago

Is The Complete Peerage considered an accurate and reliable source?

I’ve been looking into The Complete Peerage as a reference for medieval and noble genealogies, and I’m curious how reliable experienced genealogists and historians consider it to be.

From what I understand, it’s one of the major reference works covering the peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, and the UK. However, I know that genealogical sources can vary in reliability depending on the period, the surviving evidence, and any later corrections or discoveries.

Also, does this sub have a Discord server? I don't want to spam this sub with the 100 questions I have about medieval times.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 15 days ago

How common was death by drowning in the Middle Ages?

I’ve been reading about the English nobility over the past year, and one thing that has stood out to me is how often I come across noble sons who died by drowning, sometimes well into adulthood. It has happened often enough that I started wondering whether this was genuinely a common cause of death in the Middle Ages or if I’m just noticing a pattern.

Were these drownings usually just unfortunate accidents, or is there any evidence that some may have been suicides? I would have assumed that young noblemen, especially heirs, were frequently accompanied by attendants, retainers, or household members, making accidental drownings less likely than they would be for ordinary people.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 25 days ago
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When King John Hanged 28 Welsh Hostages at Nottingham Castle (1212)

Many know that King John had a reputation for tyranny and cruelty. He is widely believed to have murdered his nephew, Arthur of Brittany, and to have starved Maud de Braose and her eldest son to death at Corfe Castle. However, many don’t know that John’s vengeance and cruelty did not end here. The deeper you dig into his reign, the more disturbing events you uncover.

Nottingham Castle is best known for its association with the legends of Robin Hood, but it was also the setting for one of the most infamous acts of King John’s reign. In 1212, after a Welsh uprising, John ordered the execution of 28 Welsh hostages who had been taken during his campaigns in Wales.

The story began in 1211, when John invaded Wales. From Flowers of History by Roger Wendover:

“…. the said king collected a large army at Whitchurch, and marched into Wales on the eighth of July, and penetrated in great force into the interior of that country as far as Snowdon, destroying all the places he came to; he subdued all the princes and nobles without opposition, and received twenty-eight hostages for their submission for the future.”

These hostages were the sons of leading Welsh princes and nobles, given as a guarantee of loyalty. However, in 1212 the Welsh rebelled, attacking English castles and forces:

“About this time the Welsh burst fiercely forth from their hiding-places, and took some of the English king's castles, decapitating all they found in them, knights and soldiers alike; they also burnt several towns, and at length, after collecting great quantities of booty, they again betook themselves to their retreats without any loss to themselves.

When these events became known to the English king, he was very indignant, and collected a numerous army of horse and foot soldiers, determining to ravage the Welsh territories, and to exterminate the inhabitants.

On his arriving with his army at Nottingham, before he either ate or drank, he ordered twenty-eight youths, whom he had received the year before as hostages from the Welsh, to be hanged on the gibbet, in revenge for the above-mentioned transgressions of their countrymen. Whilst he was, after this, sitting at table eating and drinking…”

So, what do you think was on King John’s menu that day?

(Image is of King John swearing vengeance on his barons after being forced to sign Magna Carta, but I thought it suitable here too.)

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 28 days ago
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Who do you think was the most interesting Justiciar of the Plantagenet era?

The office of the Justiciar, specifically the Chief Justiciar, was one of the most powerful positions in medieval England. They were the king’s chief administrator, political adviser, and sometimes even military commander. When the king was away, the Justiciar could effectively become the person running the kingdom, handling justice, finances, rebellions, and royal authority. The equivalent of a medieval prime minister, but with even greater power.

The Plantagenet era had many notable Justiciars, such as Ranulf de Glanvill, Hubert de Burgh, Hubert Walter, and, of course, the infamous William Longchamp.

My personal favorite is Hubert Walter. He was intelligent, ambitious, highly capable, and a skilled diplomat and administrator. As Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Chancellor, and Justiciar, he played a crucial role in keeping England stable during Richard I’s absences.

So, who do you think was the most interesting Justiciar, and why?

Edit: it’s Hubert de Burgh, not Hugh de Burgh. In my defence, both names seem similar.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 1 month ago

Happy World Cup Day. Would this lineup win it all?

Made a UK Monarchs XI and, before anyone asks, yes, most of my choices are based on vibes.

Richard I is my center forward because he was tall, aggressive, a nightmare for defenders, and also has the superstar energy. If anyone is leading the line, it’s the Lionheart.

Henry V and Edward I are on the wings because both feel like they could be absolutely devastating running at defenders. Edward III gets the CAM role and the captain’s armband. Great king, great warrior, and I don’t think he would be a controversial choice as captain.

In midfield, I’ve got Henry II and Henry VII as my main pairing. They’re both control freaks, which could be a problem, but I guess whatever. I did consider moving Edward III into a more box to box role alongside Henry II, but I just can’t see Henry VII working as a 10.

At centre back, Edward IV is there mainly because he’s tall and would dominate in the air. I paired him with Charles II because they’re probably the two monarchs I’d most want in the dressing room after a win.

My fullbacks were great athletes/warriors in the prime of their lives, so they get the wide hybrid defensive-offensive roles. And of course Henry VIII gets stuck in goal because somebody had to draw the short straw.

Honourable mentions on the bench: Richard III, Edward II, Henry I, George V, James VI and I, and George VI.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 2 months ago

Can anyone recommend a good biography on Henry II?

Recently, I’ve been trying to find a good biography of Henry II, but every time I check the Goodreads reviews, I come across something that puts me off.

Ideally, I’m looking for a biography that’s engaging rather than dry, and one that stays focused on Henry himself instead of wandering into tangential topics only loosely connected to his reign.

I’d also prefer a book that relies heavily on primary sources rather than simply reworking other historians’ interpretations. At the same time, I don’t want a biography that concentrates only on the most famous episodes of his life, such as the Becket affair or the endless family conflicts. Those subjects are important, of course, but Henry’s reign was far more significant and wide ranging than that.

And while Eleanor of Aquitaine is undoubtedly a fascinating figure, I’d rather not read a book that devotes excessive attention to her. I’m reading for Henry, not Eleanor. It’s always struck me as odd that she tends to overshadow him in the popular imagination. This was a king who ruled England and vast territories across France, reshaped government and law, and built one of the most powerful realms in medieval Europe. Surely there’s more to his story than the controversies and personal dramas for which he’s usually remembered.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 3 months ago

Can anyone recommend a good biography on Henry II?

Recently, I’ve been trying to find a good biography of Henry II, but every time I check the Goodreads reviews, I come across something that puts me off.

Ideally, I’m looking for a biography that’s engaging rather than dry, and one that stays focused on Henry himself instead of wandering into tangential topics only loosely connected to his reign.

I’d also prefer a book that relies heavily on primary sources rather than simply reworking other historians’ interpretations. At the same time, I don’t want a biography that concentrates only on the most famous episodes of his life, such as the Becket affair or the endless family conflicts. Those subjects are important, of course, but Henry’s reign was far more significant and wide ranging than that.

And while Eleanor of Aquitaine is undoubtedly a fascinating figure, I’d rather not read a book that devotes excessive attention to her. I’m reading for Henry, not Eleanor. It’s always struck me as odd that she tends to overshadow him in the popular imagination. This was a king who ruled England and vast territories across France, reshaped government and law, and built one of the most powerful realms in medieval Europe. Surely there’s more to his story than the controversies and personal dramas for which he’s usually remembered.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 3 months ago
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I know it’s chaotic, but there’s just something so beautiful about Medieval France

Really, if you think about it, it’s not much more centralized than the HRE until we get to Philip II Augustus.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 11 days ago
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Medieval Queen Consorts Ranked by their Father’s Titles

I ranked medieval English queen consorts by the title held by their father at the time of their marriage to the monarch (whether before or after accession)

The ranks are divided into: Emperor, King, Duke, Count/Earl, and Baron.

Consorts who were daughters of an Emperor:

  • Anne of Bohemia — daughter of Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor

Consorts who were daughters of a King:

  • Matilda of Scotland — daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland
  • Berengaria of Navarre — daughter of Sancho VI, King of Navarre
  • Eleanor of Castile — daughter of Ferdinand III, King of Castile, León, and Galicia
  • Margaret of France — daughter of Philip III, King of France
  • Isabella of France — daughter of Philip IV, King of France
  • Isabella of Valois — daughter of Charles VI, King of France
  • Joan of Navarre — daughter of Charles II, King of Navarre
  • Catherine of Valois — daughter of Charles VI, King of France

Consorts who were daughters of Duke:

  • Eleanor of Aquitaine — daughter of William X, Duke of Aquitaine
  • Adeliza of Louvain — daughter of Godfrey, Duke of Lower Lorraine
  • Margaret of Anjou — daughter of René, Duke of Anjou

Consorts who were daughters of Count/Earl:

  • Matilda of Flanders — daughter of Baldwin V, Count of Flanders
  • Matilda of Boulogne — daughter of Eustace III, Count of Boulogne
  • Isabella of Angoulême — daughter of Aymer, Count of Angoulême
  • Eleanor of Provence — daughter of Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Provence
  • Philippa of Hainault — daughter of William I, Count of Hainaut
  • Anne Neville — daughter of Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick

Consorts who were daughters of Baron:

  • Elizabeth Woodville — daughter of Richard Woodville, Baron Rivers

Note: Some of these royals and nobles held multiple titles, but I ranked the queen consorts according to the highest ranking title held by their father at the time of their daughter’s marriage.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 3 months ago
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On This Day in 1264: King Henry III Was Captured at the Battle of Lewes

The battle pitted King Henry Ill against rebel barons led by Simon de Montfort. Despite being outnumbered, de Montfort's forces won decisively. A major reason was that Prince Edward, the future Edward I, chased fleeing troops too far from the battlefield, leaving the royal army exposed.

From the annalist and monk of St Albans, William Rishanger:

>Then Edward with his line rushed on his enemies with such violence that he compelled them to retreat, and many of them, to the number of sixty knights, it is said, were overwhelmed. Soon the Londoners were routed, for Edward thirsted for their blood because they had insulted his mother, and he chased them for four miles, slaughtering them most grievously. But through his absence the strength of the royalists was considerably diminished.

>Meanwhile many of the might men of the royal army, seeing the earl's standard on the hill and thinking he was there, made their way thither and unexpectedly slew those London citizens, for they did not know that they were on their own side. In the meantime the earl [Simon de Montfort] and Gilbert de Clare were by no means inactive, for they smote, threw down and killed those who opposed them, endeavouring with the utmost eagerness to take the king alive.

>There were captured Richard, the king of Germany, Robert Bruce and John Comyn, who had led the Scots thither. Also King Henry had his horse wounded under him, and giving himself up to earl Simon was soon brought under guard to the priory.

When Edward finally returned, the battle was already over. The royal army had fallen apart, and King Henry III had retreated to Lewes Priory after the crushing defeat.

With the town in flames, his army defeated, and his father captured by the rebels, Edward had little choice but to surrender. Under the agreement known as the Mise of Lewes, he was taken hostage by the barons, who sought to place limits on the King’s power.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 3 months ago
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A comment on another post got me wondering what Edward III’s fate would have been had his father kept his throne.

I know Edward II sent several letters to his son while he was with his mother in France, in which he demanded loyalty, obedience, and his son’s return to England. Young Edward chose to ignore these messages (or was persuaded to do so), and after that the rest is history.

So Edward II was clearly angry with his son’s behavior. If Isabella and Mortimer’s invasion had failed and Edward II had remained in power, what might he realistically have done with his heir?

Would he have punished him somehow such as through imprisonment? Or might he have gone further and tried to disinherit him in favor of his younger son John of Eltham?

I kind of doubt disinheritance since that would have been a huge political step. On what grounds could Edward II even justify it? Then again, with the influence of Hugh Despenser the Younger, perhaps more extreme options weren’t entirely off the table.

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u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 4 months ago

I tried to trace every possible ancestral path from Edward III back to Hugh Capet, and this is what I ended up with.

I knew it would be a big tree, but not this huge. The more I worked on it, the more the lines started crossing and reconnecting, showing how much connected medieval families were.

I didn’t want to simplify too much. When there were multiple ways to reach the same ancestor, I kept those lines separate instead of combining them. That’s why some nobles/royals can be traced in more than one line. I used colors and different line styles for male and female ancestors to make it easier to read. But with a tree this large, there’s only so much I can do. If it looks a bit all over the place, that’s partly on me, but also because Edward III’s ancestry is very complicated.

Also, I’d love to hear what you think about this chart and what stands out to you. Personally, I was surprised by how much Spanish ancestry Edward III had, and it was also interesting to see that he descended from the House of Capet in several ways through his father’s side. But you know what surprised me most? That there was no way to trace Henry II to Hugh Capet through his father and House of Anjou line.

If you notice any mistakes or anything that looks off, please point them out. I double checked every line, but I probably missed something, who knows.

u/Accurate_Rooster6039 — 5 months ago