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Word salad, but always a galling comparison nonetheless.

I don’t necessarily disagree that the medical field doesn’t always treat fat people fairly, but there’s a point at which there is not much that healthcare can really do for someone.

A big hang-up I have with this concept of medical neglect of fat people isn’t the idea that it happens because I believe that it does on some level, but that FAs seem to think that they would have the same outcomes as thin people as long as they received the exact same medical treatment that a thin person would get.

Once again it’s always about the multibillion dollar diet/beauty industry and never the food industry. Fast food alone is estimated to be over $800b, which is only a little less than the highest estimates for the entire weight loss and the entire beauty and personal care industry combined. I’m not even counting grocery products here.

Opting out of overconsumption also means you have to watch your spending at corporate fast food chains, on corporate-owned grocery products, and overall buying in excess of what you need. More accurately, most people are not forced to eat bad food. It is harder but not impossible to eat healthy under capitalism, which might limit how much free time someone has to spend on home cooking. I don’t think it’s an issue with the cost of groceries. The best struggle food has an extremely low cost per serving and it will fill you up for hours. Health food is expensive, healthy food is not. It’s not the most exciting thing you can eat, but food is not supposed to be as exciting as UPF is all the time. Hyperpalatable food isn’t meant to be this accessible. Accessible food is good, but accessible calories should not be confused for accessible food/people having access to actual nourishment. And maintaining being fat is still a sign of immense financial privilege compared to someone struggling to afford enough food, it just has a lower barrier to entry now than in medieval times.

Why would our corporate overlords ever want to manipulate everyone into hating their bodies to sell them Ozempic when they could quadruple dip by selling them the food, selling them fad weight loss solutions, selling them medical care that would be unnecessary if they weren’t overweight, and selling them pharmaceutical solutions which are effective but expensive and possibly needed for life?

In 1.5 years of weight loss/fitness, I have not had to spend more than a few hundred dollars, which includes running shoes, weights, and apps. My new thing is insane amounts of protein powder, which is driving up my costs, but I already made all my expenses back in grocery savings multiple times. Calorie counting and exercising is basically profitable. Weight loss is only expensive if you approach it by thinking about what you can buy to suddenly turn yourself into a person with better habits and ignoring what you need to start doing.

How fat is OOP that they think it takes the average fat person five years to become skinny and that clothes that fit will be inaccessible for the majority of that time?

Let’s say for the average woman at about 5’4, 130 is a healthy but very generous goal weight. At an average rate of 1lb/wk (maybe more, but let’s assume a sustainable deficit of 500 calories less per day), for it to take two years, the starting weight would be ~234. We could say two and a half just to account for inconsistency. Let’s go up to three and a half years and generously assume that the rest of the five years is slowly lost to plateaus, binge days, skipping workouts… Then you’re starting at ~312. Obviously, it takes time to lose the weight because it takes time to gain it.

Sure, you’re still gonna be fat on day 2. But if you stay consistent, you’ll be down a size within a few months. If you’re currently wearing a 4X, getting down to an XL will massively improve your access to things like airplane seating. Not to mention the health improvements. Being 50lbs overweight is still going to feel better than when you used to be 150lbs overweight even though you’d still have 50lbs+ more to go.

Some doctors are neglectful of fat people just because they’re fat, but for many ailments, weight loss in overweight patients is going to be the first-line treatment, and the patient is non-compliant. If they don’t even take the doctor seriously, why does it matter if the doctor takes them seriously? FAs seem to have a misunderstanding that you’re paying for the doctor to give you the treatment that you want (and they delusionally believe that there is always a medication or surgery that will improve their condition without weight loss) when you are actually paying for their expertise. The line between doctors actually being biased against fat patients and not accommodating some fat patient’s unrealistic expectations for treatment has gotten blurry.

And if you’re having a hard time finding clothes because a size down is still a rarer size, there is always the option of continuing to just wear older larger clothes until they start actually falling off. It doesn’t kill anyone to have a few inches of extra room in their clothes for a little while. But I don’t think anyone is saying fat people shouldn’t have clothes in the meantime, or even if they stay the same weight forever, but the issue is that people in modern severely obesogenic environments are expanding past what anything can realistically accommodate and then they expect the world to grow with them indefinitely. Having a hard time finding a 5X is a wake-up call, not a call to figure out how to make the world more conducive to being able to stay that weight.

Barring outliers with underlying bone issues.

A healthy weight is the weight your skeleton can easily and safely support. You can’t fuck up your knees with gravity + an extra 75 pounds if you never put an extra 75 pounds on them.

Osteoporosis due to low muscle tone is worth trying to prevent, but that’s not weight-related. That is a fitness problem. Overweight people with little to no muscle are also fucked there.

Like all drugs, some people abuse it. But if you’re just trying to lose a few pounds, let’s even be generous and say it’s more like 10 or 15, you can probably do that with minor lifestyle changes. If your highest weight is only a small amount above your goal weight, you also probably don’t struggle with regulating your hunger enough to need the Ozempic. People who don’t struggle much with their appetites, just small habits adding up, aren’t really seeking out appetite suppressants. Even if they are, why does OOP care?

It depends on if the store has a good plus-size section, but most do these days, and if OOP goes all the time, thrift stores rotate stock a lot.

This could be their real situation that there’s actually nothing, but in general, the complaint that plus-size clothes are hard to find seems to not be about how there’s no market (there is!), but that there’s no plus-size clothes that the OOPs happen to like.

Overlooking the cringey part for a minute, this is why it was a bad idea to base so much of fat acceptance on fuckability. A man wanting to fuck women, fat or otherwise, does not correlate to how much that man sees his sexual partners as human beings. It doesn’t even mean he’s super attracted to you. Sometimes it means he thought “good enough!”

I guess the most compatible partner for OOP would be someone who fits these standards, but I don’t think it’s that easy to find for women who date men. Male FAs are rare and typically gay. If you date women, maybe, because other happily fat women are more likely to have similar beliefs. I just don’t think that OOP is picturing another fat person.

1. Lying

2. Actually undereating, which leads to binging later

3. Underestimating

Or OOP hasn’t been doing this for long enough to see results. They’re probably not sustaining this diet for any extended period of time if it’s too low-cal to be sustainable.

I’m not sure what compelled almost everyone to post photos of themselves (not included for the obvious reasons), but it was a mix of overweight/obese people, real muscular outliers, and people who were either genetically blessed with the fat distribution patterns to still look relatively healthy at an unhealthy weight… or they lie.

But it goes to show that people don’t know what a healthy weight looks like. If you feel confident no matter your size, great, but 200lbs is not peak physical fitness for most women because most women aren’t over 6 feet (6’3 lady is jacked). There’s nothing wrong with being 200lbs as a woman if you’re tall and muscular, but for short women, being 200lbs can literally be disabling. Not to the point of severe loss of mobility like on My 600 Pound Life, but petite 200lbs high body fat just isn’t going to be on par with the quality of life for something more like 125 with muscle. Poor diet and sedentary lifestyle are the likely culprits, it’s hard to become obese with high CO and like 80 or 90% low calorie nutritious foods for your CI, which come with their own fitness impacts due to low nutritional value and muscle atrophy.

5’4 205lb OOP shouldn’t compare themselves to 6’3 jacked 205lb obvious outlier OOP when what is healthy for 6’3 gym bro ladies is bad advice for everyone else.

“160lb women” TikTok girl (TL;DR: grifter who keeps body-shaming specifically women at and above 160lbs and telling them to act their weight, not wear shorts, etc., but it turns out she used to be overweight) comes up a lot in FA circles lately, and once again, there are violent fantasies about someone who is obviously just posting ragebait and being rude out of some deep, unaddressed personal insecurity. Seems like a waste of time and energy to react to the bait.

Even when they do acknowledge height, they’re deciding what counts as overweight/underweight based on vibes, not the real thresholds. Or if you want to allow for people being different, which is fair enough, there are other metrics than BMI to tell you if your size is statistically correlated with a higher risk of disease.

I don’t understand why FAs who come online to lie about what’s healthy give out the numbers. They just tell on themselves that they’re guessing by doing that, and I can’t believe they never argue with each other about the math. Some of them think 170 5’2 is just healthy, some of them think 170 5’2 is skeletal because sometimes you can still see a hint of collarbone.

Unfortunately for 4’11 165lb OOP who looks like a woman with a woman’s body, she actually doesn’t look like a woman because she’s not 200lbs. It’s almost refreshing to see equal opportunity body-shaming instead of only misogyny, but they’re still body-shaming men and women for no reason. OOP needs to see that post about how when you insult the physical appearance of someone you don’t like, they probably won’t care, but someone who also has that trait will see you body-shaming them and now they know that you think a trait they have is ugly. But don’t worry, you can be absolved of this as long as you don’t ONLY like women under 200lbs. You just need to find a 201lb woman to crush on, and then it won’t be pedophilic for you to love your 199lb wife. Or she can be 99lbs as long as you also like 201lb ladies equally.

The last slide is just sad because that’s the outcome of all these arbitrary lines. The OOP is very obese and still feels like they’re not fat enough because FAs make it a competition to be the fattest and the most oppressed. I wouldn’t be too surprised if this also prevents people who are worried that they might have a problem with their weight from seeking the help they need because they’re told that other people are fatter. Being shunned by the FA cult is a bullet dodged, but it’s probably isolating if you buy into their messaging and you don’t have anyone around to contradict that or offer real health advice.

Unlike the people who are privileged enough to have access to more than enough food. They’re not easy to control.

If you were the government of an addicted population—say, 70% of Americans—and you wanted to keep them in line, would you take away their source of dopamine or would you give them just enough of what they want to keep them relatively complacent? It’s obviously more profitable to sell the problem (addictive processed food, car-dependent infrastructure) and then sell people the solution (healthcare) than to have a society full of healthy people. It’s not very ethical or kind, but fascist governments aren’t bogged down by things like making their citizens’ lives better. They don’t care enough about people being obese and miserable to do much about it.

Women who overeat are much more common than women who willingly starve themselves, and I’m not sure why when fascism usually places so much value on things like women’s fertility, that being visibly anorexic would ever be the beauty standard.

This is still an insane take if OOP is only talking about restrictive EDs—those people are severely mentally ill, it doesn’t make them fascists.