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If y'all don't know what I'm talking about, so basically ever since the astro start of the astro arc, I had very high hopes of tsm cause he lost tcm infront of his eyes and I knew it that the speaker era would come soon. Then ttvm got infected and speaker armada showed up and I KNEW tsm would have the greatest arc oat. But... Then boom made a STUPID decision and posted the tsm leak... I remember being so dissapointed by that I literally lost hope in tsm return being peak. And why is that? Because tsm isnt supposed to come out this early as it is very early for him. Speaker armada was there and so was g titan

So now, everything falls apart. Tsm gets heavily implied to pull up in episode 80, but inviz takes over and basically ruins the series and for some time we thought the series was genuinely over.

Some of his design gets leaked and the design was awful

Then sometime later we see the full design and yes it was unfinished although there were absolute awful things in it.

Then inviz announces episode 80, episode gets released and tsm slander was at an all-time high. People downplayed him so much, his design sucked, he had no character or personality, his introduction sucked, and basically the thought of a good tsm disappeared. And then 81 released which was kinda the final nail in the coffin

As during all this time, the armada was supposed to WIN the fight against the inferno squad as tsm wasnt released at that time and it was kinda impossible for them to lose. They've been preparing for this for 40 episodes, it was supposed to show that theyre back and now are carrying the verse.

But what happens? Instead of cool independent saviors that were supposed to take titan level missions on their own, they became frauds and a total liability for tsm. And speaking of tsm, he gets to fight a carrier and that shi was the most underwhelming thing ever as... TITAN SPEAKERMAN, THE SAVIOR OF THE ARC GETS SAVED by the secret agent... This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen and is a proof that achi, strider AND VIRLANCE and that random dude cannot cook at ALLLL

But also goes to show how much of a hell it is to be a tsm fan. And then, so many members of the subreddit who supported tsm dissapeared and now there's no hope for him

No boom left, no nothing ...

So that's the tragic tale of a speaker fan chat. 3 years of hope for nothing.

Now I know this is way too soon but the astro arc will arrive eventually and I really REALLY hope melee gives him a good design, make him powerful and gives him a good personality. Yes this would not happen for an another like 10 soundwave episodes and might even take an year but I really hope he delivers a peak tsm 3.0. like bro I can't anymore. Dom, maxedy, boom, strider, lamatern all dissapointed me like you're the only one left. I hope you don't get into a stupid controversy like virlance or achi or become weird like with spidurrand too. Like please bro, PLEASE MAKE A PEAK TSM 3.0. you have given him really decent treatment so far and I'm really looking forward to his prime.

Maybe I'm being too desperate cause knowing my luck I'll get an astro infected tsm instead

First they take boom away from me, and replace him. Because of that I'll never see my tsm again, my goat, my fav character. Then They promised me glory, and gave me Strider's 3.0 which was dissapointing. No story and a weak design. Cause they made it, i can't even speak about it properly or get excited cause downvotes plus hatred. And there's obviously bias against tsm 3.0 which never was for the other titans btw.

Then they take away virlance, he made a peak batsm but now he's working with inviz

And... Then they take away achi too.... The FUTURE of the speakermen, now he too is working with them.

Why just why tsm? Why HIM??? When other titans have glory times, it's the peak of the show, it's always the absolute best, everyone is hyped up for that. Tcm came? That era was regarded peak at that time and everyone loved that. Ttvm arrived? That was consdiered the best episode oat and people loved it . G titan arrives? People say that also was the best episode of st at that time and even now people consider it the best. But when tsm comes it's the worst episode oat and everyone hates it. Everyone glazed tcm, everyone glazed ttvm, eveeyone glazed g titan but when tsm comes? People make him lose to tcm in wis edits because he's made by "inviz" people say "Im not excited" there are little to no glaze posts and everyone brings up inviz

All of this happened JUST BEFORE HIS BEST EPISODE, JUST BEFORE HIS PRIME, JUST BEFORE WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO GET GLAZED, EVEN AFTER YEARS OF INJUSTICE US TSM FANS FINALLY WERE RECIEVING OUR PRIME AND YET THIS HAPPENS. . .

It's over, his reputation will never be saved, I could never enjoy him fully, it's over. Tsm is never getting the justice he deserves.

Low-key should make my own series

Jarvis end it all

This is after scientist shot his lasers

As you could see here, og wod had much more fire and damage on him meanwhile strider's didn't

Blud really made a binding vow

Strider has posted Two videos regarding the astro arc and he has done almost nothing good with it. Let's start off with episode 79.

Now I'm not going to get into the design of WOD, since this is majorly a story based post and I low-key dont care that much. So first of, ibio has stated in his tsm 3.0 leak video that one of the extra scenes were going to be swat mutant and detective cameraman going to the ruins of the alpha hills base and find some clues. That never gets added. Secondly, the speaker base scene. I think zacdoor confirmed to us that there were going to be alot of speaker base related scenes that we were going to see. And despite that we never see strider animate that nor add that. Thirdly, titan speakerman 3.0's dialogues and WOD's dialogues aswell. Part 1 had great WOD's dialogues and part 3 just ruined everything. Strider could've gave him actual scary lines instead of not interfering with the dialogues at all. And tsm 3.0's dialogue. The shot of his face, just look at that. You could already feel that tsm is going to be rageful and pretty brutal against the astros, yet the dialogues tell us the complete opposite. He seems friendly, joyful and such which is kinda bs considering what he has gone through. Now yes I get it that he didn't wanted to change boom's work but c'mon these things absolutely sucked. Also what happened to the extra fight scenes in the void? He didn't do anything with that.

Now with that out of the way, episode 80. We already have made alot of posts about it so I'll keep it short. Episode 80 was supposed to give duchess some character development or improve and flesh out her character, it was going to add actual lore to the story yet episode 80's ONLY lorewise achievement was to showcase tsm 3.0 which it fumbled the bag terribly. Tsm got a boring entrance, there was no stake, the plot didn't make sense since they're preparing for a counter attack and set up distraction zones yet sent tsm to the distraction zones when he IS THE COUNTER ATTACK. His design is meh, he got no dialogues, no lore, nothing at all. The least strider could've done with tsm or the speaker race as a whole was to add subtitles to their sounds which he didn't do at all, like give tsm a cool line when he roared like ***BRING ME WOD*** or something but no. And then the episode ends and u feel nothing

Now, let me remind you. Strider most likely saw all of this, so... He would actually give some response to the community or do something... Right!? No. He didn't make episode 79 better, he refuses to give tsm a redesign or swat mutant, he refuses to fix some size inconsistencies, he refuses to give us subtitles for the speakermen, and need I mention, ibio stated that in 79 full episode or season 26, we were going to see speakermen in their human form and we never got to see that. Strider genuinely is doing absolutely nothing with the lore and it is actually infuriating to see

Now this is where strider fumbles, and I'll explain the true potential of the astro arc

TITAN SPEAKERMAN 3.0: Should've showed up much later, yes I know boom did that but if strider wants to change things then change this too but eh forget about this. Tsm is supposed to be an angry titan, who lost his two brothers, one presumably died to the astros and one is being used as a puppet to kill his fellow comrades as tsm once was and he did nothing to stop these things. He should also be sad or maybe even emotionally numb because of everything he has went through and to give him actually some development instead of giving him his 2.0 personality. His dynamic with watchman of doom, you could do so much with this. Make tsm and watchman of doom actually have somewhat of a rivalry, tsm could see watchman of doom and that could be like looking into a mirror, he also went through infection, so this could be him projecting his trauma on WOD, seeing as ttvm's soul get destroyed slowly and slowly even worse than how tsm's soul got destroyed. His dynamic with g toilet, tsm should be a pain to form a union with. Tsm represents everything that the toilets have done to the alliance and he shouldn't forgive him ever in the series. I feel like you could write tsm and g titan teaming up without the "oh they have to cause the astros are too strong" because the speaker armada has been dealing things on their own just fine. So I'd make tsm 3.0 first battle watchman of doom and him failing to uninfect him cause if he pulls the core hijacker out ttvm would die so g titan tells him that he knows how to get rid of the core hijacker without killing ttvm. It would make much more sense as to why tsm is then willing to ally with g titan. And also these two as I've said have so much potential to be a great duo as they have worked before too. Tsm killed scientist and scientist was g toilet's good friend so that could be a good storyline to as to how g titan feels that tsm killed scientist and such

G TITAN: speaking of g titan, he shouldn't be wasted at all. As I've said, he could make a really good dynamic with tsm and not only that even watchman of doom. As g titan is the side of the "good guys" and ttvm is now on the side of bad guys and that will be a very cool parallel. And juggernaut also. G titan and juggernaut can have so many good moments and even fight each other again. These two were partners for probably centuries and it would be so cool to see how they used to work back then. And obviously, duchess and duke. Duchess is presumably g titan's daughter and duke might be his son in law. We don't know why these two are in conflict, we don't know if duchess is controlled or not or anything. But we do know that g titan still deeply cares about duchess and duchess's reaction to berserker shows us that she atleast still cares about him and we could even learn about her mom. And ofcourse the duke who I hope is the final villain of this arc and g titan and him could have alot of good moments togeather. Also, overseer. He seems to hate g toilet's gut but we don't know why. Could it be that they were rivals? Strider can make such a good story with him. And ofcourse, g titan isn't a good guy, he's still evil and I don't care what anyone says. He has shown no redeeming quality and I'd hate if strider makes him a good guy. Dude literally tries to butter up juggernaut by reminding him of their glory days how they conquered and enslaved planets togeather and probably committed multiple genocides.

Secret agent/Tcm: Secret agent has alot of mystery and idk if strider would even keep boom's model cause of the situation and such. He also has a sister or sum and also the "new race" now if strider ever makes them show up, I really hope he Dosent makes them an alliance race and just a 3rd faction in-between all of this. They also shouldn't have a titan because that would be so cooler and unique that the computer race is something new entirely. Moreover tcm, he's 100% saved by the secret agent. Now I hope he Dosent becomes a pro4aik type secret weapon and no diffs everyone because istg I'd be so mad. We don't need any more tcm glaze I'm done with ts bs. Keep him a tool rather than a fighter like give him the ability to hack the mothership.

The ASTROS: where to even begin with, this whole arc is about them and there's just so much potential for them. For example, What would happen to detainer? How would he react seeing g titan again? How strong would he be? Duchess, is she going to become good? Die? Sacrifice herself for her father? Betray her father? How would he dynamic with ttvm would be in the future when ttvm gets cured or sum. What about overseer? How would his dynamic with duchess go? How would his dynamic with g titan go or even the duke? Is he going to be a mini boss for us? What about juggernaut? Will be actually turn good? How would he interact with titan speakerman knowing that he was the reason why ttvm got so injured and ultimately got infected. Would he reuinte with his son? And what about more astros? The newest Astro we saw was the astro Demolisher which died instantly and brutes. Now yes there are multiple of them but dosent really makes a lot of hype. Will we see stronger Astros than juggernaut? Will we see loyal Astros? Will we see loyal guards of the duke himself? You could make so much story with this like tsm's rival could be duke's personal Loyal guard and could be his equal and it would feel so peak cause tsm is supposed to be the hero of this arc and I feel like he should fight one of the strongest Astros. Like maybe he could fight the "conquest" of this arc like the second strongest astro just under duke. Speaking of duke... What about him? Is he the final villain of the arc? Are we going to see the emperor? Is he going to be hella strong? I personally would like him to be kind of a raid boss that every titan togeather would heavily struggle with and one of em even dies. As I've said, you could do so much with this

The alliance/Humans: what about them? Will we see more speaker armada units? Will any of them become a special character? What will happen to speakerwoman? Will she get any development? As a semi titan, what's executor's role in the story since tsm has been released? He could get his own rival or something. And what about semi titans for other race? What about every special agent or scientist? Will they be relevant and will we see more special characters? What about Jeffery? What about the alliance in human form? What about the humans? Will we ever see the human race thriving again after the astros get defeated or something?

Now yes there is A LOT that strider is dealing with but if inviz and strider wants to make st by themselves then they have to take this responsibility. They have to make something really good. I genuinely want good story but so far it's not been great. Yes strider CAN cook in the future and I really hope he does but still doubts remain. I really hope he sees this post one day because I don't think he understands the story quiet well or knows alot of things that were going to happen.

It's just so perfect looking. The angle is so nice, the details look amazing, especially the smallest ones now tsm's one circle thingy having red outlines. He legit looks and feels so powerful

It's always, ALWAYSSSSS titan speakerman .

He's weak everywhere, he's the potential titan, he gets racism claims, he gets the short end of the stick, he gets the worst designs, he gets backshotted and he gets the slander (atleast the major ones)

Now he gets released? He gets downplayed to oblivion. Its also laughable that people obliterators are fodders when these same people scale them above utcm btw. Moreover saying that tsm loses ro juggernaut is fudging ridiculous. Tsm spears his face "Oh juggernaut tanks it!" Mf'arm was pierced by a tech that released 13 episodes ago btw.

I guess this is how ttvm fans felt when tcm fans started to downplay him

And guess what? I do believe that this tsm is mid, he's meh in design, he has no personality or anything but I get called a clown, get down voted to oblivion if I praise his abilities or strength or people just straight up lie.

And not to mention the inviz stuff like please shut up, we get it, it's non canon. No ones denying that

I really hate this community. Not to mention people start downplaying sound waves and... yeah. When I try to finally rest these people come out from the shadow. Haven't we speaker fans been through enough?

I mean why dosent he has one? He has nothing on the left arm, that thing is just a extra touches and stuff. I really hope strider redesigns titan speakerman in the full season 26

Also I get it that it's to mirror his 1.0 version but really that is very impractical. He needs two blasters. And he's just so iconic with 2 blasters and makes him different from others

Now Yes inviz is dropping their episode 80 so before it drops I think I need to say this. We are allowed to hate on inviz and and still like strider's episode 80

Even though I genuinely hate Adam Goodman and inviz, I'm genuinely excited for episode 80. Infact I haven't felt this much hype for an episode ever since episode 77.4 or 78. I'm very much excited for this. I waited for this for 9 months. I'm super excited to see Tsm, my goat again. And need I remind you, this would be the last time we see any semblance of An og prime tsm. Now yes this is not the official Tsm since that would be boom's but this has boom's ideas in it atleast so it has some parts of boom's actual tsm ideas. So yes I'm super hyped for his return. I have strider set up to a very Hugh standard since he also had double the amount of time to cook this up so there's anything bad with his tsm I will comment on about it

Basically what I want to say is that I don't want to hear no one constantly spamming down votes or harassments when I make a post about episode 80's Titan speakerman. Let people talk about the episode. Let people talk about its designs, powerscaling and all of that, we don't need to blatantly excuse ANYONE who says even a slight praise to inviz.

So yeah, I'm very excited for the episode, and I 100% also understand why so many people aren't. So atleast allow those people to make posts, complementing the episode or making agenda posts without hate

I can't really think of something I'd want to change about utcm's prime. I think it was perfect for him lol. I guess I'd make episode 57 longer? But that's an episode issue and not about his prime. Hmm I guess I'd like if he got a core ability like ttvm's absorption or g toilet's core orbs.

To be honest, I think we can agree his prime wasnt as legendary or long as Utcm's, with him not being present in 10 episodes, and only performing good in 67,68,77 and maybe even 73 and in others not being the centre or not even appearing at all like in 75 and 76. I think he needed a full proper battle with g toilet 4.0 . But it's difficult since what would happen to the other titans?

So what would you change about his prime from 67-77?

I don't know when this started but for some reason people consider him the most stupidest titan who only acts on impulse and rage all the titan when that is literally not true.

The most often argument for tsm being dumb is... "He gets infected so he's dumb"... This genuinely makes NO SENSE btw. The first time he had a whole ahh army behind him ready for back up and was fighting a giant toilet. And even the pov didn't told me that there was a parasite behind him, he was caught off guard. Matter of fact even the pov didn't told him about that. So the problem here was lack of AWARENESS, NOT BEING STUPID.

And ofcourse the infamous episode 73 moment... Now I would like to point out that tsm had two STRONGER titans right besides him and they did nothing about it. And he was just screaming, it wasn't even something that bad like rampages of drill titan. So yes tsm lost his control because of anger... But guess WHAT? THIS IS QUIET LITERALLY THE ONLY TIME STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENED. And people really saw this one moment of tsm and thought that he's always this hulk like angry character which can never control himself. Oh you disagree??? He fought with the literal scientist and didn't lost him temper ONCE. He shot his blaster, broke his eye gun and destroyed his lasers canon and then later on saved tcm.

Now another moment of episode 65. Firstly it's clear that NEITHER utcm nor utsm saw that footage of g toilet being unflushable because they both thought he was flushed. Now people will say "oh when tsm saw it didn't work why did he kept going???" That's literally a normal thing. When your remote dosent work you tap it multiple times. When your mobile phone is lagging you tap it multiple times, when your game is bugging and your jump control isn't working you use it multiple times. Hell EVEN if your flush isn't working you'll use it multiple times, it's a very normal reaction and people try to clown on tsm for this for no reason

I'd like to point out that YES UTSM DOES HAS GOOD BATTLE IQ FEATS. In episode 59 he targeted the weapons on the toilet, in episode 67 he only targeted the weapons of the scientist, first the eye gun and the acid canon and gave opportunities for tcm to strike. Now why didnt he go for the eye? Now that's a valid question but the eye gun was also powerful and scientist might have the ability to see through his second eye but I'll give y'all this. Also in the same episode he targeted the acid canon of mafia. Then later on against g toilet in episode 72, he tries to target the laser of g toilet and then in episode 73, he first tries to attack g toilet long range and he gets blasted away. Tsm learning this tried close range and while g is distracted, destroys his jetpack and when he's hypercharged he strikes g toilet's eye and tries blasting him. Now why didn't he go for the second eye? That's also a valid question but g toilet's head is so big that if tsm tries to reach for it he low-key might have gotten his arm ripped off.

Ok now... Yes there are moments where he Dosent uses his agility or dosent makes good decisions like the eye stabbings, or the start of the g toilet battle. But literally EVERYONE DOES THAT. If tsm is a fraud because of this then every single character should be too. Why didn't detainer use his claw when he was getting lasered by g toilet (enraged) why did utcm stay idle for the whole minute against g toilet in 73? and he was also just shooting at the start of the battle with tsm instead of flying close and grabbing his head like he did after. And ttvm too, didn't use his orange screen, after tsm breaks down g toilet's jetpack and was distracted, he INSTEAD OF WALKING TOWARDS G TOILET HE TELEPORTS TO THE OTHER SIDE FOR NO REASON BTW. So yeah these are one of many examples where us viewers could do better than the titans. And again, every character has performed like this. And also skill issue is also there because tsm's reaction speed sucks.

So yeah, utsm is not the dumbest titan and neither is he a titan who's only controlled by his anger. Idk why y'all say that

Is this supposed to suggest speakermen will be important figures in the future of the series since their ability is just soundwaves? Or is this just a random name with no correlation to the series?

G and T toilet 3.0 haven't shown much, brute can't even reach utsm and even if he did he gets soundblasted.

Now ngl I'm not sure if he's top 1 but I genuinely think he's a top 1 contender

AND YES LETS GO MY BOY IS TOP 1 IN A VERSE FINALLY 🫂🔥🔥🔥🥹✌🏻

Like if it's a good episode, I get good tsm 3.0 feats and I'll agenda post about him. I'll rate him like top 3 and it'll be good

But if it's bad... I'll FINALLY slander the episode with full force and... NO ONE WILL DISAGREE WITH ME. Everyone would flame inviz so there will be no one there to even disagree with me, NOT EVEN SUNSTRUCKER LOL🥹 it'll also be so funny if they ruin episode 80 and expose their fraudulent behavior and the slander posts will go CRAZY.

So yeah, there's a part of me that wants episode 80 to suck lol

Now what I'm worried about are the titans. Firstly I wanna ask, where is tsm??? Is he going to get upgraded or fight random skibidis? Because the proto duo stopped him from chaising after the G duo so where is he?

Now that aside, this is the main question. How would melee balance out the primes of tcm and ttvm?? When will tcm even appear??? Now it's been confirmed tcm will have a different design and he'll probably be stronger. But when will he appear? G coy battle? But everyone would get injured there. Against scientist...? Then when will ttvm appear? Episode 70 or 73 versions of the series?? Then how will the primes of tcm and ttvm balance out? Tcm's best moment and most tuffest moment was episode 57 and tcm wasn't there at that time so how would tcm even have a comparable prime? And when the astros arrive which has been confirmed, what happens after then? Tcm sacrifices? Then ttvm just loses to the astros or what?

I'm worried that one of the titans might get overshadowed by one another or might not have enough time to shine so hopefully this gets cleared out (and that BUM ebg really asked melee about FUDGING OCTOPUS TOILET INSTEAD OF THIS YOU SUCK EBG YOU SUUUUUCK)

Now when she pulled up in 77 I genuinely thought she was like juggernaut level or something. But boom said that she's... Tsm level? And whether you wanna accept that or not, I think we can agree that she's not super strong. But why? She's a DUCHESS, one of the highest royal members, and she might even be weaker than WOD, her pet. Well I think it's because she was just never a fighter and she's only this high because she's duke's wife

To further support this theory, in season 25 when juggernaut says "someone you know there is too, with special request" now I think we can agree that the "someone" refers to duchess. And I think due to g toilet, likely her father, being involved in this conquest, she likely requested an offer to join the fleet, commanded by overseer. That's also why I think she got a titan body so fast, she likely never cared for conquest and such and wasn't a fighter. But due to her father being here, she likely prepared for that

So yeah, I don't think duchess is as strong as I thought before and she's just so high due to her marriage with the Duke.