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I’m trying to understand the philosophical problem of persistence: what makes something count as the same thing over time despite change?

For example, a wave can persist as a recognizable pattern even though the medium’s particles only move locally. A candle flame can continue even though the reacting molecules are constantly replaced. A living organism also exchanges matter over time while still being treated as one continuous being.
What are the major philosophical accounts of this issue?

I’m especially interested in theories that explain whether identity through change is grounded in:

- underlying substance,

- preserved structure,

- causal or process continuity,

- informational continuity,

- psychological/biological continuity,

- or scale/context-dependent criteria.

Also, are there philosophers or traditions that argue identity is not absolute, but depends on the level of description or the kind of continuity being evaluated?

I’m looking for established positions, authors, or readings that deal with this problem.

I’m trying to understand what makes something count as the same thing through change.

For example, a wave can persist as a recognizable pattern even though the medium’s particles only move locally. A candle flame can continue even though the reacting molecules are constantly being replaced. A living organism also exchanges matter over time while still being treated as one continuous being.

So what actually grounds persistence?
Is identity over time better understood as:

- a fixed underlying substance,

- preserved structure,

- causal or process continuity,

- informational continuity,

- or something dependent on scale and context?

More directly: when we say something is “the same thing” despite change, what is actually being preserved?

And can something be continuous at one level while discontinuous at another?

I realize this overlaps with philosophy of physics and ontology, but I’m mainly interested in the metaphysical issue of persistence: what makes identity through change real rather than just a convenient way of speaking?

How does physics usually determine whether something counts as the same system over time rather than a new one?

For example, a wave can persist as a recognizable pattern even though the medium’s particles only move locally. A candle flame can be treated as the same flame even though the reacting molecules are constantly being replaced. A living organism also exchanges matter over time while still being treated as one continuous system.

So when physics calls something “the same system,” what is actually being preserved through change?

Is continuity usually grounded in conserved quantities, stable dynamics, causal structure, information, boundary conditions, or something else?

And can something be the same system at one scale while being different at another?

I know this overlaps with philosophy of physics, but I’m curious how physicists think about it operationally.