I mean, some of Trump's policies, like his take on abortion, can be considered moderate. So if a journalist or influencer called Trump a moderate, Pisco would use the same defense he is using against Hutch.
"I mean doesn't Trump have some moderate policies? And it really depends on what frame of reference you are using."
Bro drips debate pervert energy.
(Mods fix flair if wrong please)
Edit: another thing as I listened further is Pisco is very clearly doing Loki's wager when he brings up Biden being a centrist. Reasonable minds can disagree and argue about Biden being centrist. Put 100 people in a room and ask them, and I could honestly see 20 people saying yes to that question or I could see 80 people saying yes to that question. Take the influencer they were talking about who believes and pushes for Medicare for all, and that same room would have 0 people say she's a centrist.
Putting it another way, reasonable minds can disagree on whether 5'10" is tall or not. There is no good faith argument over whether 5'2" is tall.