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The Valonqar : Analysis and solution.

Three questions may you ask. You will not like my answers.

—Maggy, in the dream of Cersei Lannister

Cersei: When will I wed the prince?

Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.

Cersei: I will be queen, though?

Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.

Cersei: Will the king and I have children?

Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

This is the reference text, and obviously the first solution that jumps out is that Cersei has two younger brothers, Tyrion and Jaime, so 99% of fans and readers think it is Jaime, since Cersei is convinced it is Tyrion, or Tyrion himself.

But we need to consider the text. Maggy names several people in the text, so their children and younger siblings must also be considered.

The prince: Rhaegar, Jon Snow, and Dany come into play. Theoretically, we can also consider Aegon, but even if he were the real Aegon, he wouldn't be the younger son; that's Jon Snow.

The King, Robert Baratheon, Stannis, and some of the bastards would all come into play.

The youngest and most beautiful queen. Obviously, everything depends on the identity of this queen. I'll avoid discussing the theory about the youngest queen in this Valonqar topic. I'll get straight to the solution we need to connect the storylines and get to the identity of the Valonqar. Sansa Stark is the youngest and most beautiful queen who overthrows Cersei, obviously thanks to Aegon and Littlefinger. Cersei won't die on this occasion, but will be taken prisoner or manage to escape from King's Landing.

Sansa's Valonqar is Arya Stark. In the books, Arya's list of hatreds is much shorter and more defined. I believe that at least one of the important ones on the list will be killed by her, and in my opinion, it's Cersei.

Please share your opinion on this matter.

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u/DinoSauro85 — 3 days ago

A fascinating theory born from the Dunk and Egg novellas and how they are closely connected to the main story. Let's first analyze the two characters:

Brynden Rivers, Bloodraven: Bastard son of Aegon IV Targaryen and Melissa Blackwood, therefore blood of the dragon and blood of the First Men, the Blackwoods are a Northern family expelled from the North in ancient times for unknown reasons. A confirmed kinslayer and repeat offender. Classic Targaryen hair and red eyes. Stories circulate about him sending shadow assassins to kill Targaryen heirs to change the line of succession. It is almost certain that he used the power of Glamour in the third Dunk and Egg novella; he is in fact impersonating Maynard Plumm.

Shiera Seastar: daughter of Aegon IV and Serenei of Lys, therefore a woman of Essos, disarmingly beautiful and with a heart-shaped face, just like her mother. Shiera is suspected of using dark arts, Egg is certain of it. Above all, there is a story that both prolonged their lives and beauty by bathing in the blood of maidens, likely an exaggeration that nevertheless reveals their knowledge of blood magic. Shiera is disputed between Bloodraven and Bittersteel.

Melisandre: Red hair, red eyes, heart-shaped face, tall and slender. Probably older than she appears, we have seen her cast murderous shadows and use the power of glamour on at least one occasion (Mance Rayder-Rattleshirt). A mysterious past in which she was sold into slavery. Her name obviously recalls that of Melissa Blackwood, her grandmother according to the theory.

Probable origins: Daughter of Bloodraven and Shiera, perhaps Bloodraven doesn't know about Shiera's pregnancy. Bittersteel finds Shiera and her daughter and, after killing or kidnapping Shiera, sells Melisandre to slavers.

Side theory: If a person named "Seastar" has a red-haired daughter, what nickname would that daughter be called? Redstar? So the famous red star that must bleed to bring about Azor Ahai's return could be her rather than a comet or any object or emblem that recalls a star!?

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u/DinoSauro85 — 24 days ago

Drawing inspiration from questions and scenarios put forward by fans, here's a chronicle of the events following the latest episode of GOT.

One month later: Bronn, Lord of Highgarden and paramount of the Reach, sends letters to his vassals to explain the new annual taxation. Lord Hightower responds by saying, "Excuse me, but who the fuck are you?" Samwell Tarly's mother, a member of the Small Council and a maester who has never taken the exams, tries to make peace. Lord Rowan, both the Fossoways and the Redwynes declare Bronn's tenure overthrown and are ready to revolt. Highgarden should go to someone with Tyrell blood, or better yet, Gardener blood.

Bran Stark (or rather, the three-eyed vegetable lord king) threatens retaliation, Tyrion Lannister and Maron Martell rally their banners, Gendry Baratheon, Asha Greyjoy, Edmure Tully, and Robyn Arryn call for calm.

The lords of the Westerlands, especially the Lannister relatives of Lannisport, stop paying taxes and refuse to be ruled by Tyrion, the traitor who had so many of their compatriots killed during the invasion of the mad whore Daenaerys Targaryen.

An incident on the border between Dorne and the Reach leads to war, which begins without waiting for the King's orders.

Gendry Baratheon marries a Hightower girl and declares himself rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms.

Bran asks the Northern Kingdom for help, and Sansa Stark, very reluctantly, gathers an army and sends it south.

Asha Greyjoy invades the North.

Sansa asks Jon Snow and the Wildings for help, but Jon Snow refuses, saying "I don't want it."

The Northern army is trapped between the troops of Edmure, Robyn, and the rebel troops of the Westerlands.

Dorne is invaded by the Reach, Dornish lords like Dayne, Yronwood, and Fowler orchestrate a coup against Maron Martell, Maron Martell is thrown into a pit full of snakes, and Dorne declares its support for Gendry Baratheon.

Asha Greyjoy captures Sansa Stark, Sansa Stark cedes a large portion of the North to the Ironborn, and will rule the remainder as a Greyjoy puppet.

Highgarden falls, and Bronn is hanged as the most vulgar of criminals, which in reality he has always been.

Gendry Baratheon invades Kingsland, Davos Seaworth opens the gates for Robert and Stannis's heir, Samwell Tarly is stripped of his Maester's chain and sent home to his mother.

Tyrion is burned alive by a mad mob.

Brienne and Pod die trying to save Bran. Gendry Baratheon once ordered all the weirdwoods burned, so Bran has no power over them.

Bran is simply thrown into the water, wheelchair-bound.

Robyn Arryn negotiates peace with Asha Greyjoy. Robyn brings the North back into the Seven Kingdoms, uniting it with the Vale, and marries Sansa.

Asha Greyjoy obtains territory in the North and the role of admiral. The Ironborn become the leaders of all the fleets of the Seven Kingdoms, with permission to plunder Essos at will, except Braavos, which must be kept friendly.

Gendry Baratheon reigns for decades renowned for peace and prosperity.

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u/DinoSauro85 — 25 days ago

As Martin confirmed, the sixth book has a timeline that's out of sync at the beginning. This is something that already happened at the beginning of the third book, when, for example, a handful of chapters take place simultaneously with the days leading up to and during the Battle of Blackwater, which we read at the end of the second book.

This is repeated more dramatically between books 4 and 5, where two-thirds of book 5 take place simultaneously with book 4.

How does Martin explain when the story is back in sync? Between books 2 and 3, people simply start hearing about the Battle of Blackwater, which we've read about, unlike some battles we've yet to read about. Between books 4 and 5, a kind of experiment takes place: the mirror chapter. Sam from book 4 and Jon from book 5 experience two chapters simultaneously. The characters experience their identical encounter, only each from their own POV, and then their story continues.

The same thing will happen in book six with the storyline most affected by the unfortunate choices of cutting from book five and questionable cliffhangers.

From what Martin has stated, the cliffhangers will be resolved immediately.

The Northern storyline isn't the only one affected by this timeline skew.

Here's what we'll read and how the timeline issue will be resolved:

Prologue: The prologue is set in the Riverlands or Westerlands. We don't know who the POV is; it's logical to assume Forley Prester or a generic Lannister soldier, but the idea of ​​having Sybell Spicer as the POV is very interesting.

The context is the attack on the convoy carrying Edmure to Casterly Rock by the Brotherhood Without Banners. Also on the convoy are Jeyne Westerling and her mother, Sybell.

Chapters about some of the Meereen characters should be spaced out between the ones we are about to talk about.

Davos: Davos arrives in Skagos, finds Rickon and Osha, the Skagosi supported by Rickon ask Davos for help to help the wildings in Hardome. (Rickon probably hears things from the trees)

Bran : Bran could have more than one chapter at this point, difficult to place due to the very nature of Bran's powers, in these chapters however Bran comes to intervene in the affairs of other characters thanks to his powers, discover absurd and disturbing truths about Jojen's fate, the Hodor question should occur at this point, all of which should lead to the escape of Bran and Meera via the underground river whose tributaries lead near Hardhome.

Theon e Asha : We already know a chapter of Theon, which in my opinion will be slightly modified, both to fix some inconsistencies and errors (such as the question of the master of the Dreadfort, it should better explain the question of how they discover this master), there will be other chapters, at least one of Asha, in these chapters we will have the battle of the ice and a clear picture of the post-battle situation and pink letter.

I don't rule out some Jaime and Brienne chapters to carry forward the Riverlands storyline.

Arianne Chapters , maybe JonCon chapters .

Melisandre I : This is the crucial chapter for understanding the timeline. It takes place a few days after the Battle of the Ice, and in it, Melisandre experiences the events of Jon Snow's final chapter in the fifth book from her POV.

Melisandre will see Jon Snow read the letter, we will read her thoughts on the letter, and we will see Melisandre suffer the betrayal of Axell Florent, who, to save his life, has clearly decided to hand over his sister and niece, as well as Val, the little monster, and Mel herself to the Boltons.

Melisandre will easily free herself with some devastating trickery from Florent and will go to help the others. Wun Wun is protecting Val, the little monster, Shireen, and Selyse from Axell's men, and Jon Snow is being treacherously stabbed by Nightwatch officers.

Aided by the Wildings and the Nightwatchers loyal to Jon Snow, Melisandre takes control of Castle Black.

At this point, I don't want to argue about the resolution of the cliffhanger. I repeat, it will be resolved immediately, Martin said so, so in my opinion, Jon Snow is saved before the final blow.

A dreamlike chapter of Jon Snow in a coma, partly in Ghost, partly dreaming strange things, until Melisandre simply cures him.

At this point, the timeline is back in sync.

If you want to know theories and background on how the story unfolds, we'll talk about it in the comments.

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u/DinoSauro85 — 25 days ago