u/Emmyyou2

I don't think Jesse knew anything about A & W before anyone else but he admitted he knew about Meija and just thought they had an "understanding." That's fine and all but he is well aware of the fact that Ciara wouldn't want to be part of that so why did he never mention it before?

It's possible he didn't know until later but this still seemed weird to me. Does anyone know the timeline of Jesse finding this out?

I am really tired of people acting like Kyle is some great provider because he works 16 hour days (supposedly). Being a workaholic is nothing more than a poor coping mechanism and avoidance tactic, just like all other addictions.

He is not some great success or amazing provider either. The only reason LB has even been alive this long is due to massive debt he's wracked up, loans (including from Amanda's parents), and investments from friends and family. If he hasn't been able to make it successful after years of working 16 hour days, and having a pretty large platform to showcase it on, then he is just a terrible businessman. Most people don't have half the things Kyle has and they can make their businesses profitable. He is throwing good money after bad and that is just a stupid business and financial decision.

Yes, running a business takes a lot of time and work, but so does being married. If he is working 16 hour days and partying on the weekend, without his wife, where is the time for her? Is she just supposed to accept scraps because she is not a priority? Kyle never wanted a marriage or partnership, he wanted a wife appliance that he could ignore until he was ready to take her out and use her. When she finally decided she wanted more for herself he threw tantrums and played the victim.

The work and hustle culture is toxic af and why the U.S. is falling behind year after year. Living to work is not where it's at.

Edited for typos.

I've thought since before the season even started that Kyle and Amanda split long before they claim they did, and definitely before summer, but now I'm sure of it. I also think most of them already knew it and were playing along.

In the first dinner of the season, Amanda takes a shot at Kyle about losing his ring. It had little to do with the conversation but there was a mention of them cosplaying as single. Seemingly out of nowhere she makes a comment about how Kyle lost his ring so she is refusing to wear her's until he finds it. He seems so annoyed at this and the first time I watched it I barely caught it because they spent the whole dinner bickering anyway. After a second watch I don't think he was annoyed because she was taking yet another shot at him but because she came up with that on her own to explain their missing rings and just had to make him the bad guy for being the ring loser.

Later in the season, at that SB soft launch, Kyle's ring miraculously returns to his finger yet Amanda's doesn't. No mention of him finding it and no mention of her ring still missing from her finger (not the biggest deal).

I usually don't think much of people not wearing rings, it happens. It's more about how she brought it up and seemed like she was giving a preemptive excuse to a question no one asked.

Combined with the rumors of a separation that started way back when, West raising her hand when the question was asked about who was single, the coverup comment about cosplaying single, and them not riding together all summer I think it's obvious they were already separated when summer started.

Maybe I'm just an old and boring person at this point, or maybe all my time working in an ER makes me hyperaware of the risk of so many every day things, but I'm genuinely surprised no one has been seriously injured, or paralyzed, on this show.

The amount of drunken play and hijinks around the pool, diving (so dangerous), pushing people in to the pool, running around the pool drunk, grabbing people and jumping in to the pool, etc. makes me so nervous all the time. I have no idea how anyone let's these people rent this house year after year after watching all they get up to and I have no idea how they get insured for this shit. I'm sure it's the production company that provides additional insurance but still not sure how there aren't exclusions regarding alcohol and negligence.

I'm sure many people here already know this but don't dive headfirst in to shallow pools (most home pools are not deep enough for any kind of diving), and certainly don't push someone in a pool. Those two things are responsible for so many life threatening and life changing injuries every year it's not even funny. People as tall as Carl and Jesse should certainly not be diving in these pools.

I hate the term "hall pass" to begin. I personally find it disrespectful to your partner and juvenile, but to each their own. That being said, a "hall pass" is never supposed to be someone you know and hang out with regularly.