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HEC-RAS 1D help: Froude number hitting a wall at 1.01 in subcritical vs running fine in mixed (6.23% stream)

Hi everyone,

I am new to HEC-RAS and working on a bridge in a very steep channel.

Site:

  • Slope: 6.23%
  • Flow: 489.33 m³/s
  • Manning’s n: 0.055
  • Bridge: 40 m clear span (no piers)
  • Flood width: ~30 m (so bridge is wider than flow)
  • No real contraction at bridge

Results:

Subcritical flow:

  • Fr = 0.43 to 1.01
  • Very unstable results
  • High HFL = 1118.24 m
  • Large afflux

Mixed flow:

  • Fr goes up to ~2.3
  • Flow becomes supercritical in reach
  • Stable results
  • HFL = 1116.31 m
  • Afflux = 0

My confusion:

  1. Is the high HFL from subcritical run just a numerical issue in steep flow?
  2. Can I safely use mixed flow HFL for bridge design?
  3. How do you justify mixed flow when reviewers ask for subcritical only?

Thanks for any advice.

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u/Emotional-Try-8380 — 15 days ago
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I’m new to HEC-RAS and trying to understand proper bridge freeboard/clearance checks.

https://preview.redd.it/8zyr08tmch3h1.png?width=954&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5f4496a092be6d6ec6f235decfc92e83c74d0ea

I’m new to HEC-RAS and I’m confused about which water surface is normally used for bridge freeboard/clearance checks.

In my bridge results:

  • Upstream W.S. = 1299.77 m
  • Inside Bridge Upstream W.S. = 1297.84 m

From what I understand, the upstream W.S. is the approach water level before contraction at the bridge, while the inside bridge upstream W.S. is the level within the bridge opening itself.

When measuring clearance/freeboard to the bridge low chord/soffit, which level is usually considered in practice?

Do engineers normally use:

  • the approach/upstream W.S.,
  • the inside bridge upstream W.S.,
  • or something else like EGL in high velocity flow?

This is for a river with relatively low velocity and possible debris transport, so I wanted to understand standard practice.

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u/Emotional-Try-8380 — 15 days ago