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Manta-sela

Manta-Ray; the enlarged triangular flippers.

Bonnet-Head Shark; base, cartilage bones (not the vertebrate, they are bony), the spiracles (allows it to still breathe while the mouth is full), the lateral-line, and electroreception.

Mosasaurus Hoffmannii; quad flipper system (uses the manta ray flippers for all four flippers).

Nurse Shark; the caudal fin shape, and partial structure (the edge and base of the fin, to allow for some flexibility)

Sailfish; elastic tendons, high amounts of myoglobin, fast twitch muscles, and the stiff caudal fin material.

Basilosaurus; vertebrate count (not shape, to allow for a relatively high amount of flexibility).

Crow; inner ear canal, magnetoreception, critical flicker fusion frequency, pattern recognition, and spatial awareness.

Tiger Shark; the jaw (pretty much everything about the jaw, the teeth, pcsa, everything but size, that scales), and the stomach acid (ranges from a ph of 1.0-2.0).

Remora+Coelacanth; the remora's suction cup is actually a heavily modified dorsal fin, the coelacanth has fins on its underbelly (the anal fin and ventral fin), I am going to add the anal/ventral fin and then edit it into the suction cup from the remora (its a developmental problem, the coelacanth tells where to place the fins (with the hox genes (yes i know they're finicky)), then the remora tells how to build them).

That addition is experimental ^

Naked Mole-Rat; efficient hemoglobin, metabolic control, and hypoxia tolerance.

-size-

18 ft long

10 ft wingspan

5,000 lbs

-speed-

8 mph (slow cruising)

12 mph (fast cruising)

26 mph (common sprint)

33 (common max sprint)

40 mph (perfect sprint)

-facts-

It has the colors and pattern of a regular shark, but since the babies start off in the shallows, the adolescents have similar colors to a sand shark.

It doesn’t have a dorsal fin.

It has a pack of 2 (mates for life, except for the first year).

Has an average of 4 offspring that reach adulthood per female.

The lateral-line is on the dorsal and underbelly.

The electroreception (ampullae of Lorenzini) is on the wings.

It's a thunniform swimmer.

The Manta-sela has spiracles so it can breathe while the mouth is full or is slow-stationary.

It emotionally (and physically) has attachment problems.

If it doesn't have a mate by the end of the mating season, it gets terrifyingly persistent, it will kill anything it can to impress a female so it changes mates to him.

It though is aggressive, its never mindless, it just has a higher want to kill however it can without dying (so it can mate, its not going to sacrifice itself so it can get a mate, because if it does, it won't be alive to get a mate).

Mating season is early spring.

When it wants to do a turn at a fast speed, it rolls so the side fins become the dorsal fins and it pulls up relative to itself.

The roll kinda follows the path of a mobius strip, manta can stop turning and exit the roll at near any point on it.

Its cinematic tactic (probably not optimal, but definitely cool) for hunting large prey (like a sperm whale) is getting it to chase him doing a mobius turn (heading straight towards the whale), roll over (so its upright, its easier to do that immediately following a roll), dives under it, then does a backflip right before the prey collides to end up on the ventral side and facing the correct way (this tactic, if a female is watching, will guarantee that the male gets a mate)

Apparently not meny people saw 3.0 so here's 3.5

Manta-sela

Manta-Ray; the enlarged triangular flippers.

Bonnet-Head Shark; base, cartilage bones (not the vertebrate, they are bony), the spiracles (allows it to still breathe while the mouth is full), the lateral-line, and electroreception.

Sailfish; elastic tendons, high amounts of myoglobin, and fast twitch muscles.

Basilosaurus; vertebrate count (not shape, to allow for upwards motions with spine), and quad flipper system (uses the manta ray flippers for all four flippers).

Crow; inner ear canal, magnetoreception, critical flicker fusion frequency, and pattern recognition.

Tiger Shark; the jaw (pretty much everything about the jaw, the teeth, pcsa, everything but size, that scales), and the stomach acid (ranges from a ph of 1.0-2.0).

Remora+Coelacanth; the remora's suction cup is actually a heavily modified dorsal fin, the coelacanth has fins on its underbelly (the anal fin and ventral fin), I am going to add the anal/ventral fin and then edit it into the suction cup from the remora (its a developmental problem, the coelacanth tells where to place the fins (with the hox genes (yes i know they're finicky)), then the remora tells how to build them).

Naked Mole-Rat; efficient hemoglobin, metabolic control, and hypoxia tolerance.

-size-

20 ft long

12 ft wingspan

6,000 lbs

-facts-

It doesn’t have a dorsal fin.

It has a pack of 2 (mates for life, except for the first year).

Has an average of 4 offspring that reach adulthood per female.

The lateral-line is on the dorsal and underbelly.

The electroreception (ampullae of Lorenzini) is on the wings.

It's a thunniform swimmer.

Like a lungfish, it can gulp (water instead of air) to pass water over the gills (I don't know if I need the lungfish genome here) when it stays still, but it also has the spiracles so it can breathe while the mouth is full.

It emotionally (and physically) has attachment problems.

If it doesn't have a mate by the end of the mating season, it gets rabid, it will kill anything it can to impress a female so it changes mates to him.

Mating season is early spring.

Thanks for your time, and I request that you comment a reason for your critiques, please and thank you.

Mantasaurus

Manta-Ray; the wing like flippers (smaller but not to small)

Bonnet-Head Shark; base, cartilage bones (not the vertebrate, they are bony), the spiracles (allows it to still breathe while the mouth is full), the lateral-line, and electroreception.

Sailfish; elastic tendons, high amounts of myoglobin, and fast twitch muscles.

Basilosaurus; vertebrate count (not shape, to allow for upwards motions with spine), and quad flipper system (uses the manta ray flippers for all four flippers).

Crow; inner ear canal, magnetoreception, and critical flicker fusion frequency, pattern recognition.

Tiger Shark; the jaw (pretty much everything about the jaw, the teeth, pcsa, everything but size, that scales), and the stomach acid (ranges from a ph of 1.0-2.0).

Remora+Coelacanth; the remora's suction cup is actually a heavily modified dorsal fin, the coelacanth has fins on its underbelly (the anal fin and ventral fin), I am going to add the anal/ventral fin and then edit it into the suction cup from the remora.

Naked Mole-Rat; efficient hemoglobin, metabolic control, and hypoxia tolerance.

-size-

21 ft long

12 ft wingspan

~5,000 lbs

-facts-

It doesn’t have a dorsal fin.

It has a pack of 2 (mates for life).

Has an average of 4 offspring that reach adulthood per female.

The lateral-line is on the dorsal and underbelly.

The electroreception (ampullae of Lorenzini) is on the wings.

It's a thunniform swimmer.

Like a lungfish, it gulps (water instead of air) to pass water over the gills (I don't know if I need the lungfish genome here) when it stays still, but it also has the spiracles so it can breathe while the mouth is full.

Mantasaurus (temporary name)

Manta-Ray; the wings

Bonnet-Head Shark; base, cartilage bones (not the vertebrate, they are bony), the lateral-line, and electroreception.

Sailfish; elastic tendons, high amounts of myoglobin, and fast twitch muscles.

Basilosaurus; vertebrate count (not shape, to allow for upwards motions with spine), and quad flipper system (uses the manta ray flippers for all four flippers).

Carrier Pigeon; inner ear canal, magnetoreception, and critical flicker fusion frequency.

Tiger Shark; jaw enhancements

Remora+Coelacanth; the remora's suction cup is actually a heavily modified dorsal fin, the coelacanth has fins on its underbelly (the anal fin and ventral fin), I am going to add the anal/ventral fin and then edit it into the suction cup from the remora.

Naked Mole-Rat; efficient hemoglobin, metabolic control, and hypoxia tolerance.

-size-

20 ft long

12 ft wingspan

8,000 lbs

-facts-

It doesn’t have a dorsal fin.

It has a pack of 2 (mates for life).

Has an average of 4 offspring that reach adulthood per female.

The lateral-line is on the dorsal and underbelly.

The electroreception (ampullae of Lorenzini) is on the wings.

It's a thunniform swimmer.

Like a lungfish, it gulps (water instead of air) to pass water over the gills (I don't know if I need the lungfish genome here) when it stays still.

Its still in its infancy for hybrid making

Is octopus camouflage homologous to vertebrate skin

Mantasaurus (temporary name)

Manta-Ray; the wings

Bonnet-Head Shark; base, cartilage bones (not the vertebrate, they are bony), the lateral-line, and electroreception.

Mosasaurus; quad flipper system (uses the manta ray flippers for all four flippers)

Sailfish; elastic tendons, high amounts of myoglobin, and fast twitch muscles.

Basilosaurus; vertebrate count (not shape, to allow for upwards motions with spine).

Carrier Pigeon; inner ear canal, magnetoreception, and critical flicker fusion frequency.

-size-

20 ft long

1200 lbs

-facts-

It doesn’t have a dorsal fin.

It has a pack of 2 (mates for life).

Has an average of 4 offspring that reach adulthood per female.

The lateral-line is on the dorsal and underbelly.

The electroreception (ampullae of Lorenzini) is on the wings.

Any advice would work

For Aquagigias, some people have said that the name is bland, and honestly, yeah I do see it. I have a few suggestions,

Selachimorpha-Mysticeti Hoffmannii

(Sela-Mysticeti for short)

Carcharocetus Hoffmannii

Mosasuchus Pelagicus

Those are the three I came up with but you can make your own suggestions in the comments.

The hybrid https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VS1PKOYUaJqLk3dzf6fkMf\_non7n37dq\_hRnk49bmmM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Edit, I cant edit the title, its supposed to be "Neat imo (Aqua-G 8.0, drawing soon)"

Apparently fish do have tongues there called basihyals and the muscles for the tongue is from somites not pharyngeal arches. I dont need to use gene duplication for this.

Lets keep this scientific

8.0

Aquagigias

​Mosasaurus Hoffmannii; the primary skeletal chassis, the acute lateral vision, elongated head shape, the four lateral flippers for precise steering, and the double-hinged jaw.

Blue Catfish; the sense of smell.

Saltwater Crocodile; pcsa, lower muscle attachments on the jaw (bone restructuring as well).

Mako Shark; Dermal denticles (scales) covering the entire body to reduce turbulence, flatter head and back, partial embryonic process (so the gills slits grow into gills rather than the neck), the vertebrate discs (actually a little stronger than regular discs, for some reason, probably because they have a higher amount of cartilage), the high-efficiency ram-ventilation gills (this allows the hybrid to remain submerged indefinitely, unlike whales), the dorsal fin, the lateral line, the bigger cartilage jaw joint (enhances leverage and cousining), the cartilage basihyal (becomes a tongue from the grey whale somites), and the electroreception.

Blue Whale; the musculature, the ventral pleats, and the disconnected chin + co-contraction muscles.

​Naked Mole-Rat; cancer immunity, metabolic control, the lack of Substance P (it helps it endure the pressure and friction of the deep ocean without stress), and hypoxia tolerance.

American Lobster; rna telomerase production (the chemistry of the telomerase is the same as in vertebrates).

Sailfish; additional tail musculature (more red muscle fibers, tendons, some elastic tissues).

Bowhead Whale; the thick skull for ramming, scaled tail fluke, and the palatal radial organ.

Common Pigeon; Magnetoreception, and higher critical flicker fusion frequency (yes it is a mouthful).

Basilosaurus; the amount of vertebrate (allows for greater spinal flexibility).

Bottle Nose Dolphin; how well the teeth interlock with each other.

Gray Whale; the muscular tongue (to force water out of their mouth while filter feeding by pushing the tongue against the roof of the mouth)(forms from the somites that form around the basihyal from the shark).

Goldfish; the ethanol (now lactic acid because I'm not adding the lactic acid to ethanol conversion) being pumped out at the gills.

African Clawed Frog; the lactic acid removal process (dumped out through the gills).

Axolotl; the stem cell production (mostly for muscle repair).

​-size-

48 ft.

Weighs 30 (non-metric) tones

The blubber is 15 inches thick on the back and tail, 7 inches thick on the flippers and fluke, 10 inches on the underbelly and head.

-speed-

~15 mph (cruising speed)

~47 mph (max speed)

-features-

Isometric scaling (0.667) of the bite force is ~149,000 N max, but allometric scaling (0.79) says ~223,000 N (crocodile estimates show that instead of the pcsa influenced bite force using a factor of .667, like a normal animal, it gets disproportionately wider with length making it a factor of .79).

​They follow the migration paths of Humpback whales (Polar to Tropical) but stay 30–60 ft deeper.

Aquagigi don't have ears, like a regular fish.

Aquagigias is a heterotherm.

The tail fluke (internal) has a base of calcified cartilage to have a strong base (like a shark), then it transitions into collagen/elastin composite (like a whale), finally it ends with ceratotrichia on the tips for flexibility (again like a shark).

The gills are above the flippers.

-behavior-

They travel in pods of 3–4.

These pods are often led by the oldest.

Can drift by using a front flipper, and while turning, using the back flippers to stabilize, and then the fluke launches.

I'm still accepting name changes.

I will request links or reasons that are well explained, thank you for your time.

If I just ignore this one rule, its perfect, now is this one community rule or GojiCenter hybrid war rule (duplicating certain gene sequences to create more pharyngeal arches, and it does have space, technically it can be dense (how close they are to each other) and spread out later and the gills are above the front flippers anyways).

Aquagigias

​Mosasaurus Hoffmannii; the primary skeletal chassis, the acute lateral vision, elongated head shape, the four lateral flippers for precise steering, and the double-hinged jaw.

Blue Catfish; the sense of smell.

Saltwater Crocodile; pcsa, lower muscle attachments on the jaw (bone restructuring as well).

Mako Shark; Dermal denticles (scales) covering the entire body to reduce turbulence, flatter head and back, partial embryotic process (so the gills slits grow into gills rather then the neck, its duped later) (its mostly the hox genes being edited), the high-efficiency ram-ventilation gills (this allows the hybrid to remain submerged indefinitely, unlike whales), the dorsal fin, the lateral line, the bigger cartilage jaw joint (enhances leverage and cousining), and the electroreception.

Blue Whale; the musculature, oil-rich bone marrow for neutral buoyancy, the ventral pleats, and the disconnected chin + co-contraction muscles.

​Naked Mole-Rat; cancer immunity, metabolic control, the lack of Substance P (it helps it endure the pressure and friction of the deep ocean without stress), and hypoxia tolerance.

American Lobster; rna telomerase production (the chemistry of the telomerase is the same as in vertebrates).

Sailfish; additional tail musculature (more red muscle fibers, tendons, some elastic tissues).

Bowhead Whale; the thick skull for ramming, scaled tail fluke, and the palatal radial organ.

Common Pigeon; Magnetoreception, and biological fps.

Basilosaurus; the spine flexibility.

Bottle Nose Dolphin; how well the teeth interlock with each other.

Gray Whale; the muscular tongue (to force water out of their mouth while filter feeding by pushing the tongue against the roof of the mouth).

Goldfish; allows the Aquagigias to convert lactic acid into ethanol under low oxygen.

Farming Goat; the highly efficient kidneys and liver to break down the alcohol produced by the goldfish.

Pallas's long-tongued bat; blood alcohol tolerance (doesn't get drunk from relatively large amounts of alcohol) (i know the ethanol gets pumped out, but better safe then sorry).

Axolotl; the stem cell production (mostly for muscle repair).

​-size-

48 ft.

Weighs 30 (non-metric) tones

The blubber is 15 inches thick on the back and tail, 7 inches thick on the flippers and fluke, 10 inches on the underbelly and head.

-speed-

~15 mph (cruising speed)

~47 mph (max speed)

-features-

Isometric scaling (0.667) of the bite force is ~149,000 N max, but allometric scaling (0.79) says ~223,000 N (crocodile estimates show that instead of the pcsa influenced bite force using a factor of .667, like a normal animal, it gets disproportionately wider with length making it a factor of .79).

​They follow the migration paths of Humpback whales (Polar to Tropical) but stay 30–60 ft deeper.

Aquagigi don't have ears, like a regular fish.

Aquagigias is a heterotherm.

The tail fluke (internal) has a base of calcified cartilage to have a strong base (like a shark), then it transitions into collagen/elastin composite (like a whale), finally it ends with ceratotrichia on the tips for flexibility (again like a shark).

The gills are above the flippers.

-behavior-

They travel in pods of 3–4.

These pods are often led by the oldest.

Can drift by using a front flipper, and while turning, using the back flippers to stabilize, and then the fluke launches.

Im still excepting name changes.

I will request links or reasons that are well explained, thank you for your time.

Shit, thats a lot of 0s.

I have a few new names to pick from, vote if you want.

Cetus hexapterygion

Nessy

Jr.

Aquagigias

W.W.E (whale with endurance (the amount of oxygen efficiency is just, well dam))

Other

Maelstrom (joke, please dont vote for this name. Spino would be mad)

​Aquagigias

​Mosasaurus Hoffmannii; the primary skeletal chassis, the acute lateral vision, elongated head shape, the four lateral flippers for precise steering, and the double-hinged jaw.

Blue Catfish; the sense of smell.

Saltwater Crocodile; pcsa, lower muscle attachments on the jaw, and the death roll.

Mako Shark; Dermal denticles (scales) covering the entire body to reduce turbulence, flatter head and back, partial embryotic process (so the gills slits grow into gills rather then the neck) (its mostly the hox genes being edited), the high-efficiency ram-ventilation gills (this allows the hybrid to remain submerged indefinitely, unlike whales), the lateral line, the bigger cartilage jaw joint (enhances leverage), and the electroreception.

Blue Whale; the musculature, oil-rich bone marrow for neutral buoyancy, the ventral pleats, and the disconnected chin + co-contraction muscles.

​Naked Mole-Rat; cancer immunity, metabolic control, the lack of Substance P (it helps it endure the pressure and friction of the deep ocean without stress), and hypoxia tolerance.

American Lobster; rna telomerase production (the chemistry of the telomerase is the same as in vertebrates).

Sailfish; the foldable sail (neural spines), and additional tail musculature (more red muscle fibers, tendons, some elastic tissues).

Bowhead Whale; the thick skull for ramming, scaled tail fluke (up and down motion), and the palatal radial organ.

Common Pigeon; Magnetoreception, and biological fps.

Basilosaurus; the spine flexibility.

Bottle Nose Dolphin; how well the teeth interlock with each other.

Gray Whale; the muscular tongue (to force water out of their mouth while filter feeding by pushing the tongue against the roof of the mouth).

Goldfish; allows the Aquagigias to convert lactic acid into ethanol under low oxygen.

Farming Goat; the highly efficient kidneys and liver to break down the alcohol produced by the goldfish.

Pallas's long-tongued bat; blood alcohol tolerance (doesn't get drunk from relatively large amounts of alcohol).

Axolotl; the stem cell production (mostly for muscle repair).

​-size-

48 ft.

Weighs 30 (non-metric) tones

The blubber is 20 inches thick on the back and tail, 9 inches thick on the flippers and fluke, 15 inches on the underbelly and head.

-speed-

~30 mph (cruising speed)

~57 mph (max speed, ~10 minutes max)

-features-

Due to the Lobster/Mole-Rat combination, there is no genetic "shut off" for growth (If a specimen finds enough food and survives long enough, it can theoretically reach 110+ ft).

Isometric scaling (0.667) of the bite force is ~149,000 N max, but allometric scaling (0.79) says ~223,000 N (crocodile estimates show that instead of the pcsa influenced bite force using a factor of .667, like a normal animal, it gets disproportionately wider with length making it a factor of .79).

​They follow the migration paths of Humpback whales (Polar to Tropical) but stay 30–60 ft deeper.

Aquagigi don't have ears, like a regular fish.

Aquagigias is a heterotherm.

The tail fluke (internal) has a base of calcified cartilage to have a strong base (like a shark), then it transitions into collagen/elastin composite (like a whale), finally it ends with ceratotrichia on the tips for flexibility (again like a shark).

The gills are above the flippers.

-behavior-

They travel in pods of 3–4.

These pods are often led by the oldest.

Can drift by using a front flipper, and while turning, using the back flippers to stabilize, and then the fluke launches.

Is anyone else tired of people trying to tell you that your hybrid sucks "because its ai slop" even if it is fully man made. We should be talking about biology not weather im in puberty or not.

The point is, please hotcardiologist, spinoclanker, and a few others, yak goes in and out, sometimes hes nice, but he definitely gets defensive (I do to so dont get personally attacked by this), please stop going off topic, and if you just joined a long conversation, please read it, dont skip to the end.

For a hybrid, if i were to get a sail (from a sailfish or a spino) and want it to start on the head but not limit head movement, could I make a divit in the skull so it can attach without limiting up and down movement much?

After a lot of personal research (no thanks to people that hate explaining thier pov) you guys were mostly correct, please dont be dicks to someone who just started posting to people i dont know personally, I got confidence from a biologist, that studied blood, not biostructure and composite materials.

Dont be dicks please.

Also yes i did delete my account.