u/Etvos2

Knox and Her Supposed Fantasies

I really do want to apologize, as it's not my intention to carpet bomb this subreddit, but just now a guilter repeated one of the most vile, disgusting and thoroughly debunked smears against Knox, namely that she wrote r@pe fantasy stories.

For a creative writing class, students were assigned to write a story about characters struggling with conscience. In Knox's story an older brother, Edgar, attempts to prick the conscience of his younger brother, Kyle, for drugging and then SA'ing a girl at a party. A fistfight erupts between the two brothers.

>“Edgar dropped to the floor and tasted the blood in his mouth and swallowed it. He couldn’t move his jaw and it felt like someone was jabbing a razor into the left side of his face.”

For those who find Knox's choice of subject matter sinister, I would remind people that behavior, or accusations of that type of behavior (drugging) was a major topic of discussion on American college campuses in the mid-2000s

"Journalist" John Follain however completely altered the story by "quoting" it as follows in the The Sunday Times , June 15, 2008

>The graphic way Knox describes Kercher's bloody chin echoes a story she wrote as part of a creative writing course about one woman raping another which included the passage: "She fell on the floor, she felt the blood on her mouth and swallowed it. She couldn't move her jaw and felt as if someone was moving a razor on the left side of her face."

https://www.thetimes.com/article/knox-e-mail-tells-of-merediths-vampire-blood-pjh7bjhzskj

I simply cannot see how anyone can believe that this is an honest mistake. How does one "accidentally" replace "Edgar" with "she" and also change all the pronouns and, most significantly, change the gender of the assailant???

It's obvious that this was a smear intending to show that Knox was some kind of dangerous deviant with a penchant for r@pe porn and it's been successful as it is oft-repeated among guilters.

This is the level of utterly depraved dishonesty in the press that was leveled at Knox and Sollecito in the early days of their ordeal.

Everyone likes to quote Thomas Jefferson on the subject of newspapers. But allow me to end with another lesser-known Jefferson quote from the later part of his political career.

>“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.”

Edit: I figured this would just be a quick post since I wanted to squash this particular creepy smear. I really didn't expect to see guilters defending this dishonesty and yet there they are in the comments. One is saying that gender swapping the assailant and victim was just an attempt at achieving gender equity. Like what??? Another guilter says that Follain just "didn't have the time to check his sources". THAT'S HIS DAMN JOB! That's like saying the guy making your sandwich just "didn't have time" to wash his hands after using the restroom but so what? What's the big deal about that?

Guilters aren't as bad as you thought. They're worse than you can possibly imagine.

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u/Etvos2 — 6 days ago

Laboratory Failures and Contamination Part 2

Apologies for another post in quick succession. I should have done a more comprehensive search initially and combined them all in one post.

Analyst at FBI Laboratory failed to perform negative control checks for two years:

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/special/0405/final.pdf

"The Danger of DNA: It isn't perfect":

https://web.archive.org/web/20260315212100/https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-dna26-2008dec26-story.html

Forgive me but given the sloppiness of the Italian police in this case ( failing to weigh the victim, confusing cell tower antennas, pathological inability to follow procedures when taking samples etc ... ) I find the idea that somehow Stefanoni's lab in Rome was a world class standout in anti-contamination procedures to be ludicrous.

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u/Etvos2 — 7 days ago

Contamination and Negative Controls

Just a quick followup to AlanOfTheCult's post from a few weeks ago.

In September, Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) analyst Yvonne "Missy" Woods was sentenced to 10 years in prison in part for deleting data from negative control tests.

One particularly telling point is on page 63 of the CBI report when a CBI employee said that,

>'[REDACTED] said she wasn't sure why Woods would delete data, because contamination is very common and there are methods to deal with it'.

Now compare this with Patrizia Stefanoni who bellowed that her lab had never ever a single instance of contamination. Never!

I don't believe Stefanoni. She's just not credible.

Unfortunately the only copy of the report I can find right now is hosted on Amazon Web Services and it appears to be from the Colorado Sun newspaper but malware scanning the hell out of it might not be a bad idea.

https://newspack-coloradosun.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/IIA-23-05-CBI-IACase-Report-Woods_Redacted.pdf

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u/Etvos2 — 7 days ago

DNA Thresholds

So it is being argued that there is nothing scientifically inaccurate about Stefanoni including an astonishing 23 out of 29 peaks lower than 50 RFU in her "identification" of Meredith Kercher's DNA on the infamous kitchen knife. Such limits are meaningless since ackshually they are set by lawyers working for the DNA equipment manufacturers. Apparently the FBI and the Carabinieri did not have very good lawyers at the time since their minimum limits were 150 RFU.

But just a moment of thought should reveal how specious this argument is. DNA is not just used for forensics, but also for medical and scientific purposes. A researcher claiming to find interbreeding between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons in the DNA record has to make a scientific case, not withstand a legal challenge from the Neanderthal's legal counsel.

In any event, a few moments with a search engine reveals all the scientific work regarding the setting of DNA thresholds.

https://www.thermofisher.com/blog/behindthebench/str-analysis-using-thresholds-forensic-focus-5/

https://nij.ojp.gov/nij-hosted-online-training-courses/str-data-analysis-and-interpretation-forensic-analysts/data-troubleshooting/thresholds

Sometimes I think that perhaps this subreddit should be renamed the "International Subreddit of Fatuous Arguments"

u/Etvos2 — 17 days ago

Does Luminol Need Confirmation?

I'll admit this is a low effort post but for those of us with the misfortune to have argued this case over the years, spraying coffee etc ... all over your phone or monitor is an understandable response.

For those lucky enough not to have dealt with the Hairy Rag, it has been stating flatly for over a decade that Luminol hits at Villa Della Pergola *HAVE* to be assumed to be blood. What else could it be?

Except that is when a countryman is in the dock. Then the "science" changes dramatically and Luminol hits in the McCann's hotel room absolutely need additional confirmatory tests.

( For the record, I have absolutely no knowledge and therefore no informed opinion on the McCann case. I merely mention it to demonstrate the hypocrisy of one of the most prominent Knox guilters ).

u/Etvos2 — 17 days ago

Amanda Knox Pens Essay on Baseless Conspiracy Theories Spun Around Patrick Clancy

For such a "grifter", Knox seems to have a penchant for speaking out in ways that alienate some of her supporters. Other examples were her public reversal on Jens Söring and stating that Kyle Rittenhouse, like everyone should be, tried in court and not in the press.

But of course the colpevolisti will turn themselves into pretzels explaining how this is all part of Knox's underwater, upside down six dimensional chess strategy, when of course the real money in this world is going full Alex Jones or Candace Owens.

Will it ever spark a moment of doubt in the minds of guilters to be compared to the harassers of Patrick Clancy?

Unfortunately not likely.

The complaint will be that Knox is attempting to remain in the news while ignoring the fact that Knox literally went to university for a career in writing and this is exactly what she's doing now. Writing. Just like Sollecito went to school for computer engineering and is now working as a software engineer.

And I just can't wait for the inevitable conspiracy theories linking Knox and Clancy in some kind of worldwide Satanic plot.

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u/Etvos2 — 28 days ago

Sollecito condemns Knox for doing a comedy show ( Repost for The Blocked Ones )

My apologies to those for whom this is just a repeat. However, I would like to provide a post so that those blocked by corpusvile2 can respond.

I personally believe that mass-blockers like corpusvile2 should not be allowed to do original posts since doing so runs the risk of preventing any casual readers from hearing both sides of any argument. Seriously look at the comments. The only innocentisti appear to be the mods. Let corpus start their very own "Amanda Knox is Guilty" subreddit if they want.

It also demonstrates mass-blocker narcissism. Corpusvile2's post has the highest up vote count seen in this subreddit for quite some time. Well not a surprise when anyone who would disagree is blocked from voting. It's like scoring a touchdown when the opposing team is still on the bus from the airport.

Now if you disagree and don't mind blockers doing original posts, then feel free to say so here.

I'm not afraid of debate.

Edit: Upon more careful review there are a *few* innocentisti pushing back in that OP. Apparently they haven't been blocked *yet*. But apologies for not acknowledging you.

>"Mr Sollecito, now 42 and a computer engineer, criticised the gig and said he found it 'puzzling' that the tragedy was being used as a 'draw for a comedy show'. 

>He said: 'I haven't seen it, so I cannot pass judgment on its content. However, based on how it has been presented and promoted, I find it puzzling that a tragedy is being used as a draw for a comedy show. 

>'Personally, it is not an approach I agree with. I am trying to process and move past what happened in a different way.' "

>Hmmm.....

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u/Etvos2 — 2 months ago

Lumumba and the Police

Professional bottom-feeder, Edgardo Giobbi signed a statement purporting to record Diya Lumumba upon his arrest as stating,

"Non ho mai conosciuto in vita mia Meredith" ( I have never met Meredith in my life.)

https://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/docs/depositions/2007-11-07-Deposition-Police-Lumumba.pdf

Yet after his release from jail, Lumumba told quite a different story to the news media, wherein he called Kercher "a beautiful girl" who made wonderful vodka mojitios.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/i-fired-foxy-knoxy-for-hitting-on-customers-patrick-lumumba-reveals-why-he-was-framed-over-merediths-murder-6622028.html

So someone's lying.

Scenario 1: The police fabricated Lumumba's statement about never meeting Kercher in his life.

What??? The Dudley Do-Rights of the Apennine Peninsula not telling the truth? Perish the thought! So what else did these sacks lie about? Did they lie about smacking Knox around in the interrogation room? Did they lie about not recording Knox's interrogation? Did they lie about over-amplifying the DNA samples?

Scenario 2: Lumumba lied to the police.

Well why would an innocent person do that? I'm told by guilters that Italian Five-Oh are just a bunch of cuddle-bears. If anything, their mistake was being too motherly towards Knox. Yeah OK. Mother-somethings is more like it.

Or could it be that innocent people might panic and say things that aren't true when placed under enough stress and fear?

And if Lumumba did lie to the police isn't that in guilter-land deserving of intense police scrutiny? Supposedly innocent people never stray from the truth and even have perfect recall, never forgetting or confusing the order of events. So Lumumba lying to the police must have meant that he was hiding *something*. Maybe not participating in the murder, but as many have said about Knox, knowing more than he's telling?

In any event, in this scenario, according to guilter logic, the police had good reason to hang onto Lumumba and so the accusation that Knox held the keys to his cell and could have had him released at any time is sheer nonsense.

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u/Etvos2 — 4 months ago

Why AI is Garbage

I realize that this post runs the risk of looking like a vanity exercise but I think it's important for folks to realize what a flaming dumpster fire AI is despite all the hype to the contrary.

We should all be careful, myself included, before trusting AI results.

And again please forgive me for posting about myself. But look at it this way. Perhaps this is the one issue where the innocentisti and colpevolisti can agree?

Here's Google's AI take on 'Etvos2'.

https://preview.redd.it/q2ogg34hyj6h1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=38145f9d7b2fa60b41b850e265259df506afb0c8

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u/Etvos2 — 4 months ago

Presumed Seminal Fluid Stain. How Did It Go From #1 Priority to Not Tested?

Again, please forgive a low effort reposting from years ago, but perhaps it would be refreshing to go back to talking about actual physical evidence.

So how did this presumed stain go from the #1 priority to not being tested? And how did that supposedly happen during the overnight hours? Does Stefanoni call her minions at 0300 and say, never mind, a presumed semen stain isn't that important in a sexual assault investigation. Wut?

And I'd also like to point out that this stain certainly puts a heck of dent in the "body was repositioned" scenario put forth by the colpevolisti. Hey we need to move the body because that stain just might not sell the sexual assault narrative hard enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXKyMh48KQ

u/Etvos2 — 4 months ago

The "911" Call

Please forgive this reposting but it would be nice to get this subreddit out from underneath the carpet-bombing of someone who apparently can't spell the word "believe".

Someone dialed 911 from Kercher's phone the night of the murder and given that this is an emergency number particular to the United States it provides clear evidence that Knox was present at the murder and overcome with a momentary sense of guilt and remorse.

Forgive me as the innocentisti know that this is nonsense, but the myth has refused to die.

As far as I can tell the genesis, or just perhaps the vocal proponent, of this claim is Prof. Simona Carlotta Sagnotti, a professor of logic at the University of Perugia who used her galaxy brain to untangle the "logical" conundrum of the 911 call.

There's just one tiny little problem. The stupid little troll got the number wrong. The penultimate number called was 901, which is for voicemail on the network Kercher was using.

At this point I'll spare you all my tedious prose and defer to u/ModelofDecorum who provides a far more concise explanation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amandaknox/comments/17hbdyf/comment/k6n7o2i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It's no wonder then that Knox continually faces an uphill battle to clear her name in Italy when so-called professors are babbling nonsense in college lecture halls about the case.

Edit: Apparently someone is big mad over being "shamed". Gosh! I wonder how they'd feel if they were an innocent person who keeps getting accused of being a creepy sex murderer!

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u/Etvos2 — 4 months ago

Monsters Among Us

So one of the mouthier Knox haters is a certain Matthew Steeples from the UK. Matthew isn't reticent about voicing his opinion calling Knox a "repugnant specimen".

Fine. Whatever. As we used to say ( but don't seem to say now ), it's free country, man.

But today tough guy Matthew joined a pile-on mocking a woman with disabilities just to score some cheap shots against politicians he doesn't like.

Lord knows I'm infamous for saying hurtful things, but never against innocent bystanders.

This behavior is appalling. She's dressed up for the evening and perhaps having the time of her life, only to be held up for public ridicule.

Obviously I'll be accused of cherry-picking but why are so many of the Knox haters such monsters?

https://x.com/M_Steeples/status/2060766110929076728

Edit: So one of our guilter scholars has opined that that there is something abnormal about me to "care about some twitter rando".

One of the reasons I keep an eye on Steeples is he recently touted an essay about the murder of Meredith Kercher from a good friend of his, a creepy Russian emigre now living in Italy. That essay was absolutely unhinged and bore almost no resemblance to reality. At one point the author claimed

>To this end, Amanda scattered through the house such morally edifying objects as pornographic magazines, used prophylactics...

What the absolute hell is wrong with that guy? Where the hell did he get this from, other than his own perverted imagination?

Even after a few years of debating this case online myself I continue to be freshly horrified by the depravity of the colpevolisti.

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u/Etvos2 — 4 months ago