u/Flytiano407

Note: i mean exclusively within your country, not within the diaspora. USA makes race more important, we know.

Asking because I'm noticing a trend in recent years of online discussions amongst caribbean people being dominated by race topics, admixture, DNA makeup, etc. who's blacker than who, who's whiter, etc. often devolving into heated arguments.

Its making me wonder if race is way more relevant within other caribbean countries' everyday lives than i previously thought. We know in the USA it's everything (because of their very recent history of segregration). Do you think your nation is becoming more americanized in this sense?

Colorism has always been a thing as far as I'm aware, in some countries worse than others, but this level of race obsession seems abnormal.

For my country's case, class & which province/city you are from has always been the most relevant thing amongst us. You do hear the occasional complaints about milats, but even thats more about class than race. As Haitians talk about rich black elites the same way, and a poor milat goes virtually unnoticed.

And before foreigners, our nationality always takes precedence. Some people for example reduce the Haïti/DR conflict to a darkskin vs lightskin issue. But I've already seen lightskin Haitians be xenophobic to all hell against darkskin Dominicans and vice versa. There is virtually no cultural difference between a light, dark, or even arab Haitian.

Why are some Haitians abroad outraged at Dominicans deporting Haitian migrants?

Now, Dominicans to me (especially the ones online) seem deranged about a lot of things, usually the historical stuff that went down between us. Most of the ones I've interacted with seem to have a very poor understanding of the history they learned from some Dominican YouTube channel and just ran with it. A lot of them are taught from a young age that we are their ex-colonizers and are already looking for a reason to hate any chance they get.

But when it comes to deportations and the immigration problem, I don't see any arguments for why they wouldn't deport them. The DR is not the USA. They aren't a first-world country, and they aren't rich. They look decent compared to Haiti today, but people are still struggling over there. Theft, scamming, prostitution, and corruption are all prevalent. I say this not to shit on the DR, but to highlight that they cannot handle 800,000 migrants who are even poorer and worse off than they are. That should be no surprise. Most Haitians who go there are from the poorest sector of society and already know they risk deportation.

Where I think Dominicans go wrong is when they try to invent other reasons for why Haitians should be deported. Some say Haitians are criminals, pointing to isolated incidents. The fact of the matter is Haitians are known for being hardworking EVERYWHERE. I would say we are literally to the rest of Latin America/Caribbean what Mexicans and Central Americans are to the USA. Yes, the vast majority of Haitians in the DR are hardworking & don't cause ruckus. They make up a disproportionate amount of the construction and manual labor force there. Nevertheless, the sheer number of Haitians already there, and those who continue to arrive, is the real issue.

And we would probably react similarly if the roles were reversed. We are very conservative with our culture and country. Don't forget we are the same country who once banned all foreigners from owning land (based decision im ngl).

Not counting solo projects or anything.

The Geto Boys (1990) and We can't be stopped are better than the two NWA albums.

Counting solos it isn't a blowout, the diary, controversy, and phantom of the rapra are all GOAT albums, but its hard to compete with the chronic.

Fun fact: I'm Ayisyen 🇭🇹🇭🇹, and NWA in créole is "black". So they are literally calling themslves black in two ways.

I'm neither bri'ish nor american. But I've seen Americans in general clown UK rap. I'm not a fan of drill in general, its pretty basic to me and I would say even destructive. But i think UK drill is undoubtedly better than NYC drill. Lyrically, flow wise, punchlines, everything. I'm not sure how americans felt back when grime was popping but it seems like it wasn't recieved well over there either.

So what do you think is the reason UK rap will never really break into USA?

Want to see if there is a sub in créole for Haïti, Martinique, Guadeloupe, La Guyane, St. Lucia, Dominica, etc. If not, want to see if anyone is down to create one.

Made this post a few days ago in créole but I didn't realize we can't speak other languages here. I normally see posts & comments in Spanish, not sure why its a problem si nou pale kreyòl.

Por no aceptar el salòp que se llama Dimitri Vorbe en su país 👍🏾. Es otro elite más que ha impedido que nuestro país avance y necesita pagar las consecuencias. Bravo 👏🏾

Y si tiene propiedad en su país (seguramente la tiene), CONFISQUENLAS immédiatement. Merci.

Si gen youn, voye l ban mwen. Si pa genyen, ann kreye'l oui. M vle pale a kouzen m yo. 🇲🇶🇬🇵🇬🇫🇱🇨🇩🇲

M pa wè anpil nan nou la. Sanble nou trò real pou reddit.

As a Haitian 🇭🇹, I’ve always felt a solidarity with the rest of Latin America, especially given our long history with other countries in the region, i.e. Simon Bolívar and Alexandre Pétion.

But I’ve noticed online that some people who promote “latinidad” seem to treat it as a genetic thing rather than cultural and center it mostly around being descended from Latin Europe (Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc.).

I've always seen Latin American identity as something rooted mainly in the continent itself, not Europe predominantly. Admittedly, my country's independence was radically different from most. As a result, our identity is deeply rooted in anti-colonialism and we would be the last to identify with our colonizers, but colonial atrocities aside, I don’t really see Spanish culture as even close to most Hispanic countries in America. Same with Portugal vs Brazil, or France vs places like Martinique, Guadeloupe, La Guyane, Québec, let alone Haïti.

To me, the African and Indigenous components are just as central to what “latinidad” is. Without them, it wouldn’t really be Latin America—it would just be an extension of Europe. Which most of the world obv doesn't see the region that way.

So I’m curious: how do you all define “latinidad”? What does it actually mean to you