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Transitional Nature of Archaeopteryx and Other Maniraptorans: Archaeopteryx (what differentiates it from other maniraptors) Part 2/2

Transitional Nature of Archaeopteryx and Other Maniraptorans: Archaeopteryx (what differentiates it from other maniraptors) Part 2/2

Introduction

Hello again r/Debatevolution, previously we showed 5 lesser-known aspects that highlight the transitional nature of maniraptoran dinosaurs and demonstrated that they are not simply birds, as creationist organizations have tried to portray them:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1tffa06/transitional_nature_of_archaeopteryx_and_other/

Now we will present characteristics that make the iconic Archaeopteryx transitional, one of the first examples of transitional forms to be discovered and consequently one of the first to be attacked by creationists.

For example: Richard Owen considered it an unusual bird; creationists later considered it a theropod with artificially created feathers; and finally, relatively recently, it has been presented as a "fully formed" bird.

It is important to mention that Archaeopteryx, in addition to being an avian, is a dinosaur because it fulfills all the characteristics that dinosaurs possess, which we already mentioned in the previous section.

Before we begin, I should mention that many of the characteristics discussed in the previous section are also present in Archaeopteryx. Without further ado, we will now discuss the characteristics that make Archaeopteryx transitional or that differentiate it from other maniraptors, and therefore quite significantly distinguish the Avialae clade.

This word will be repeated a lot, and it refers to a specific group of maniraptoran dinosaurs that is defined as:

>"The largest clade containing Vultur gryphus Linnaeus, 1758 (Aves sensu Clarke et al., 2020 or Neornithes) but not Dromaeosaurus albertensis Matthew & Brown, 1922 (Dromaeosauridae) and Saurornithoides mongoliensis Osborn, 1924 (Troodontidae)."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9762251/#abstract1

Without further ado, let's begin.

1. Teeth

As we all know, unlike modern birds, Archaeopteryx possesses teeth. I have occasionally encountered a very specific group of creationists who claim that modern birds (such as certain hummingbirds and geese) have teeth, and that Archaeopteryx teeth are made of keratin. This is based on a confusion between teeth and tomial serrations (teeth made of cartilage and keratin, respectively), pseudo-teeth (bone teeth), and true teeth (those that possess enamel and dentin).

https://a-z-animals.com/animals/goose/do-geese-have-teeth/

Not to mention that Answer in genesis claimed that perhaps in the past (referring to a few thousand years) birds had teeth:

>"Now you may have heard of the old saying “as rare as hen's teeth” being used to describe something so atypical or unlikely that it is almost surely not to occur or to be found (as modern chickens don't have teeth).

>"And yet, the saying itself lends a clue to the fact that perhaps at some time in the past someone may have observed chickens with teeth. Otherwise, the saying makes less sense."

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/calvin-smith/2024/03/11/why-archaeopteryx-isnt-special-as-described/

This has absolutely no support (at least not within the Neornithes groups and the timescales they propose). But getting back to the topic, Archaeopteryx is a mosaic in terms of its teeth.

Theropods had teeth in individual sockets and were generally serrated; this is also noticeable in Maniraptors, even those most closely related to birds, such as Troodontids and Dromaeosaurs. Modern birds have no teeth at all and possess oral papillae.

Therefore, there must be something in between, and this is the Avialae lineage. In the earliest members (Anchiornithidae), true teeth are observed in individual sockets, but the serrations disappear. Later, Archaeopteryx and many toothed birds that preceded it also lacked serrations and possessed oral papillae.

Further on, in the group called Ornithuria (close relatives of modern birds), teeth were reduced and disappeared from the jaw, and were located in a canal instead of individual sockets. Finally, they disappeared completely in Neornithes.

https://www.cell.com/the-innovation/fulltext/S2666-6758(25)00289-9?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666675825002899%3Fshowall%3Dtrue#fig4

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340825939_Ultramicrostructural_reductions_in_teeth_Implications_for_dietary_transition_from_non-avian_dinosaurs_to_birds

In this scenario, Archaeopteryx is situated between non-avian theropods and modern birds.

2. Foot, Ankle, and Tibia

In general, the feet of birds and dinosaurs are very similar; however, they also possess several differences, for example:

Birds have their metatarsals fused into a structure called the tarsometatarsus. Similarly, the fibula, tibia, and some ankle bones are fused into a structure called the tibiotarsus. Furthermore, birds possess a hallux capable of turning backward, known as a perching foot.

Meanwhile, theropods lack both the tarsometatarsus and the tibiotarsus; all these elements are free.

From an evolutionary perspective, a transition to the modern avian foot is expected to be found in the fossil record, and this is indeed the case.

Although the metatarsals of Archaeopteryx are certainly independent, it is possible to observe that they are proximally fused, which is the ancestral condition of Avialae.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5788062/#sec4

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-sternum-and-tarsometatarsus-morphologies-in-basal-birds-based-on_fig8_292981174

Furthermore, unlike other theropods (with the exception of paraves), it possesses semi-fused distal tarsal 3 and distal tarsal 4.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jez.b.23022

While the tibia, fibula, and ankle bones were virtually identical to any other theropod dinosaur, and contrary to what many creationists have claimed, its femur was positioned almost vertically, rather than the horizontal position of the femur in modern birds.

"It retains the almost vertical orientation of the elongated femur, indicative of hip-driven locomotion, as opposed to the knee-driven locomotion present in derived ornithuromorphic birds."

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44396-026-00026-z#Sec2

The hallux of Archaeopteryx was probably capable of greater retroversion than other theropods, meaning it was at least partially mobile, but it also differed from modern birds, and it is possible to see the transition between Archaeopteryx and ornithuromorphs.

>"The straight, untwisted shape of Mt1 in dinosaurs and the earliest long-tailed birds like Archaeopteryx supports the conclusion that these taxa had not yet evolved an opposable hallux."

Furthermore, the hallux of Archaeopteryx is itself transitional between theropod dinosaurs and modern birds.

>"This morphology is arguably an evolutionary intermediate between the straight Mt1 of dinosaurs and the twisted Mt1 of modern birds and conceivably allowed greater retroversion of Mt1 than Archaeopteryx."

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09840

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09840/figures/7

This condition is closer to that of basal pygostylan birds, for example, Confucius ornis, being more advanced than that of anchiornithids but less so than that of more advanced birds.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08912-4

https://peerj.com/articles/4191/

As a result, although most of the features of Archaeopteryx's hind limbs are dinosaurian, it also possesses many transitional features and others that are clearly avian.

3. Skull

The skull of the organism we have explored throughout this text is strange. On the one hand, it possesses clear dinosaurian features and features typical of other archosaurs: two temporal fenestrae; absence of the postfrontal bone; Ectopterygoid bone lateral to the pterygoid; quadrate head exposed laterally, etc. But even so, it certainly has an avian appearance.

Something that clearly had a major impact on avian evolution is heterochrony, which refers to the change in the timing of changes during ontogeny, that is, the life history of an organism.

In the case of birds, their cranial characteristics are a result of neoteny, which refers to the retention of juvenile characteristics in adults.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/neoteny

Some examples of these characteristics are:

Larger eyes

Rounded skull

Larger brain

Shorter snout

Etc.

And in fact, Archaeopteryx already exhibits these traits:

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/858103#:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0288-2

On the other hand, the skull of Avialae members possesses some synapomorphies (shared ancestral characteristics) that are probably not so noticeable to the naked eye:

Pei et al. (2020)

  • The nasal and lacrimal bones form the dorsal border of the antorbital fossa in lateral view.
  • The long axis of the external nares is approximately equal in length to the long axis of the antorbital fenestra.

Cau (2018), for topology with scansoriopterygids as avialans:

  • Relatively shortened nasal bones.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9762251/#sec13

Therefore, on the one hand, we have a skull with all the dinosaurian synapomorphies, with similarities to birds and synapomorphies that define a group: Avialae

4. Arms

As we discussed in Part 1, the forelimbs of Archaeopteryx and other dromaeosaurs, specifically the digits, are virtually identical. However, their proportions are constructed differently.

During avian evolution, it is possible to observe how the forelimbs increase in size. This trend began in the Paraves group, but it really became noticeable in the Avialae clade. This trend becomes more pronounced in Archaeopteryx, although to a lesser extent than in later birds.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/evo.12150

One proposed way to differentiate avialans from other maniraptorans is by arm length. It is possible to observe how these bones are significantly longer; for example, the humerus is longer than the scapula, and from the Archaeopterygidae onward, it is longer than the femur, as is the ulna. The hands are also unusually large.

https://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/G104FC/lectures/104FCmani.html

This is important for the next topic, as it indicates their ability to fly.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03296-8

5. Locomotion and Flight Ability

As we have explored in the previous section, Archaeopteryx has profoundly transitional characteristics, to the point that it not only has mosaic characteristics, but all of its mosaic characteristics are a mosaic in themselves, from its teeth to its limbs. This is most evident in its locomotion and flight ability.

There are characteristics of Archaeopteryx that indicate it likely possessed some degree of flight capability, due to the presence of humeral tertiary feathers and the length and geometry of its wings, which, as mentioned in the previous point, were unusually large.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08912-4

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsbl/article/22/3/20250601/481026/Evaluating-variation-in-Solnhofen-avialans

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03296-8

However, it should be noted that its flight was more similar to that of gliding birds and short-flight birds like pheasants, which are frequently flying birds, and this aligns with other characteristics we will explore.

On the one hand, we need to review certain characteristics. One recognized feature is that the sternum of Archaeoptryx was not ossified and was flat, similar to that of anchiornithids and the primitive bird Sapeornis. This is important because the muscles that allow wing flapping are anchored to the sternum, so its absence or reduced size would directly impact its flight capabilities.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267755945_On_the_absence_of_sternal_elements_in_Anchiornis_Paraves_and_Sapeornis_Aves_and_the_complex_early_evolution_of_the_avian_sternum

Unlike modern birds, the wrist of Archaeopteryx could not fold in the same way as in modern birds.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41721840_The_asymmetry_of_the_carpal_joint_and_the_evolution_of_wing_folding_in_maniraptoran_theropod_dinosaurs

Another important point is that although their wings had a more advanced configuration than those of non-avian maniraptorans and more primitive "birds," it was also more primitive than that of modern birds.

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(12)01194-3

Finally, we can highlight its lack of a tail fan, which, together with its wing configuration, would have made its flight very fast, inefficient, and unstable, with dangerous landings. Therefore, we could conclude that Archaeopteryx had flight capabilities, although more advanced than those of anchiornithids like anchiornis; these were based on short bursts of flight followed by gliding.

Thanks to knowledge of its footpads, it is possible to know that, like *Anchiornis*, it was largely terrestrial, although in a different way, as it was not raptorial and was similar to some terrestrial birds and birds of prey.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35039-1?fromPaywallRec=true

Similarly, although both had sickle-shaped claws on their feet, they had largely lost the ability to hyperextend them, while the ancient avialan *xiaotingia* still retained this ability.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44396-026-00026-z#Sec2

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10288

And as we mentioned in previous points, the hallux is partially inverted, to a greater degree than in theropod dinosaurs but less than in modern birds.

https://peerj.com/articles/4191/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08912-4

Therefore, we have a terrestrial and partially arboreal bird, with some arboreal traits and a primitive capacity for powered flight and gliding, intermediate between terrestrial maniraptorans and the birds that would come later.

During the editing of this text, an article was published that prompted me to write this section, and from which I paraphrase. You can find these and more points here:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44396-026-00026-z

Conclusion

Archaeopteryx is remarkably similar to many theropods, especially its close relatives. This was noted from the beginning of the study of avian evolution, which, as we saw in the first part, led Thomas Henry Huxley, "Darwin's bulldog," to describe this relationship.

Although this hypothesis was ignored for much of the 20th century, thanks to the work of John Ostrom with the discovery of Deinonychus anthirropus in 1964 (and its description in 1969), it was reconsidered and, with time, multiple discoveries, and predictions, became the paradigm.

Since then, the BAND (Bird Are Not Dinosaurs) position has existed, in which a group of scientists and associates refused to accept this hypothesis, instead maintaining an inconsistent and non-uniform set of hypotheses that lack real fossil evidence, in addition to some refuted arguments such as the identity of toes II, III, IV (Wagner & Gauthier 1999; Tamura et al 2011; Towers et al. 2011;Carkett & Logan 2011;Gouvêa and Brigandt 2023).or “the time paradox” which is likewise not supported by the current fossil record (Mudroch et al 2011; Hartman et al 2019; Wills, Underwood, Barrett 2023).

Despite everything, many creationists continue to use these and other outdated arguments, which are their main tools for denying avian evolution. In these two texts, we have explored one of these arguments and its derivatives: the claim that Archaeopteryx and other maniraptors were exclusively avian. We have demonstrated that while they possessed multiple derived traits, they also possessed primitive (characteristic of other theropod dinosaurs) and intermediate traits.

For now, we can say that maniraptor dinosaurs and Archaeopteryx are a perfect example of transitional forms, demonstrating the relationship between birds and dinosaurs because, as Huxley himself said:

>"Birds are glorified reptiles"

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Transitional Nature of Archaeopteryx and Other Maniraptorans: Maniraptora Part 1/2

Introduction

For decades, creationists have claimed that Archaeopteryx is a “fully bird” dinosaur. More recently, they have extended this idea to all dinosaurs with pennate feathers. Examples appear in:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/calvin-smith/2024/03/04/how-archaeopteryx-clawed-its-way-being-evolutionary-icon/

https://creation.com/en/articles/archaeopteryx

https://answersresearchjournal.org/dinosaurs/debate-classification-archaeopteryx-bird/

As we know, Archaeopteryx differs greatly from modern birds and retains several "reptilian" traits:

  • Teeth
  • Long tail
  • Claws on the forelimbs
  • Gastralia
  • Absence of a beak
  • Absence of a pygostyle
  • …among others

These characteristics were so clear that Charles Darwin himself, knowing that it was an example of a transitional form, stated in the subsequent fourth edition of his On the Origin of Species (1866):

>"Until quite recently these authors might have maintained, and some have maintained, that the whole class of birds came suddenly into existence during the eocene period; but now we know, on the authority of Professor Owen, that a bird certainly lived during the deposition of the upper greensand; and still more recently, that strange bird, the Archeopteryx, with a long lizard-like tail, bearing a pair of feathers on each joint, and with its wings furnished with two free claws, has been discovered in the oolitic slates of Solnhofen. Hardly any recent discovery shows more forcibly than this how little we as yet know of the former inhabitants of the world.”

But it wasn't until 1868 that the naturalist Thomas Henry Huxley, influenced by the suggestions of the anatomist Karl Gegenbaur and the paleontologist Edward Drinker Cope, proposed that dinosaurs were the group that linked birds to "reptiles." He famously stated:

>"There is nothing very wild or illegitimate in the hypothesis that the phylum of the class Aves has its root in the Dinosaurian reptile."

https://darwin-online.org.uk/converted/pdf/1868_Huxley_intermediate_birds_reptiles_A4668.pdf

Creationists explain these differences between modern birds and dinosaurian characteristics as "diversity" of creation, and, based on my experience with young-Earth creationism, they even go so far as to claim that any mosaic is a creationist prediction. This is an ad hoc tactic—presupposing a creationist interpretation and declaring it prophetic—and a classic criterion of pseudoscience, whereas the evolutionary paradigm systematically predicted, sought, and found countless mosaics.

It is easy to demonstrate that Archaeopteryx, dromaeosaurids, troodontids, oviraptorosaurs, and alvarezsaurids are dinosaurs because they share the group's synapomorphies (Bakker & Galton 1974):

  • Perforated acetabulum (formed by the ilium, ischium, and pubis)
  • Simple ankle with an ascending astragalus
  • Prominent deltopectoral crest on the humerus
  • Five phalanges on the fourth toe
  • Three or more sacral vertebrae

Full article here

There are occasional exceptions (for example, a reduced fourth trochanter in many maniraptorans; stegosaurs and sauropods with fewer phalanges on the fourth toe), but the general pattern holds.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-CEUM-reconstruction-of-Stegosaurus-foot-skeleton-A-superimposed-onto-a-mold-of_fig5_40664442

But in what other aspects are maniraptorans transitional between the more basal theropods and modern birds? And what differentiates avialans from their close relatives?

With a little research, it's possible to discover the answers. Here, we will present these characteristics and attempt to refute some creationist claims in the process.

Characteristics that make maniraptorans transitional.

1. Number of caudal vertebrae

Creationists claim that one of the main differences between "birds" (advanced maniraptorans) and theropods is the number of caudal vertebrae, asserting that theropods possess between 30 and 40 vertebrae, while "birds" possess fewer than 30 (generally between 22 and 26).

https://answersresearchjournal.org/dinosaurs/debate-classification-archaeopteryx-bird/

Now, according to the same creationist reference, modern birds have between 10 and 6 caudal vertebrae.

If we predict that modern birds descended from Jurassic maniraptorans, and that these in turn descended from more primitive theropods, we would expect to see the number of caudal vertebrae gradually decrease in the fossil record, with the intermediate forms being the maniraptorans. Is this the case? Yes.

If we observe this, the maniraptorans have an intermediate number of caudal vertebrae, and when we enter the group that includes Archaeopteryx, these are close to being intermediate between their ancestors and close relatives and modern birds.

Before we begin, I should clarify that by "group" I mean the ancestral condition, as each group is nested within the previous one, and this pattern will be followed throughout the text. Without further ado, we have the following situation:

  1. Theropods (230 million years ago): almost 50 caudal vertebrae
  2. Coelurosaurs (190-180 million years ago?): approximately 40 caudal vertebrae
  3. Maniraptorans (>170 million years ago): between 30 and 26 caudal vertebrae
  4. Avialae (>160 million years ago): 26-20 caudal vertebrae
  5. Avebrevicauda (130 million years ago?): 18-10 caudal vertebrae (including the pygostyle)
  6. Neornithes (modern birds) (89 million years ago): 10-6 caudal vertebrae (including the pygostyle)

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0036790#s4

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8483305/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-019-0639-4#Sec2

This is exactly as evolutionary theory predicts. Not to mention that it is not possible to eliminate maniraptorans from the dinosaurs based on such a characteristic because:

It is a difference of degree, not a categorical one.

The definition of dinosaur does not mention the number of caudal vertebrae at any point.

2. Brain

For some time it was suggested that the brain structure of Archaeopteryx was advanced enough to allow flight. This argument has been used by creationists to claim that it was a "fully bird." However, it has been known for some years that all maniraptorans had very similar brains (although with differences), so the precursors to flight were already present in this entire group.

>"Our new data indicate that the relative size of the cranial cavity of Archaeopteryx is reflective of a more generalized maniraptoran volumetric signature and in several instances is actually smaller than that of other non-avian dinosaurs."

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12424

Presenting several differences from other theropods, such as:

  • A much more flexed brain
  • An expanded brain and cerebellum
  • A different position of the cerebellum
  • A different position of the optic lobes

But they also present multiple differences from that of modern birds. For example:

  • The brain and cerebellum of maniraptorans are smaller
  • The optic lobes are positioned differently due to the flexion of other structures in modern birds.
  • The brain is significantly less globular.
  • The olfactory bulbs are relatively large compared to those of Neornithes.

Finally, the brain of Archaeopteryx differs from that of other maniraptorans in that the cerebrum is in contact with the cerebellum, and the latter is even more expanded than that of its relatives.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abg7099

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0288-2

Therefore, we have the following scenario:

  1. Non-Maniraptoran Theropod Condition (e.g., Alioramus): It has a relatively linear and elongated brain. The cerebrum and cerebellum are proportionally small.
  2. Non-Avian Maniraptoran Condition (e.g., Zanabazar): The first major expansion of the brain is observed. A flexion begins to be noticeable, where the position of the optic lobes and the cerebrum begins to shift.
  3. Non-Neornithian Bird Condition (e.g., Archaeopteryx): The cerebellum expands significantly forward. Cerebellocerebral contact occurs, indicating closer integration between the areas of motor coordination and higher processing. The optic lobes shift to a more ventral (downward) position.
  4. Current Bird Status (e.g., Greater Rhea): The brain and cerebellum dominate the structure. Maximum brain expansion is reached, covering a large part of the optic lobes, reflecting highly advanced visual and cognitive processing necessary for flight and complex behaviors.

Therefore, the brain of maniraptorans and Archaeopteryx is transitional.

It is noteworthy that maniraptorans are unlikely to have descended from flying ancestors, since the oldest and most basal ones are clearly terrestrial. However, they developed flight on at least three occasions.

  1. Scansopterygoans
  2. Birds
  3. Dromaeosaurs (Microraptor and relatives)

3. Wrist

We all know how the hands of Deinonychus are essentially identical to those of Archaeopteryx, being one of the most obvious clues to the relationship between the group of dinosaurs we have discussed and birds.

However, an argument previously used to deny the relationship between birds and dinosaurs was that the lunate bone of birds is not homologous to that of dinosaurs, which is erroneous and which, probably (due to current trends), is now considered homologous. In fact, creationists have even claimed that they predicted this homology, which is also false and ad hoc.

There are also arguments II, III, and VI regarding the identity of bird fingers, which are explained by changes in gene expression resulting from a frameshift, although that would warrant a separate post.

However, can we observe how the wrists of maniraptorans are transitional between those of non-maniraptor theropods and birds? Yes, it is possible.

One notable fact is that the earliest theropods possessed all of the following bones in their wrists:

  1. Radiale
  2. Intermedium
  3. Ulnare
  4. Pisiform
  5. Distal carpal 1
  6. Distal carpal 2
  7. Distal carpal 3

However, later, tetanurans deossified the ulnar and pisiform bones. Coelurosaurs maintained this new condition, but in them, it is possible that the intermedium and radial bones fused into a single element, which, depending on the paleontological approach, is also called the radial bone, or, from an integrative perspective combining embryology and paleontology, the scapholunare bone.

Maniraptorans fused distal carpal bones 1 and 2 into the semilunate bone. Later, maniraptorans recovered the pisiform bone, although it was a sesamoid bone, and they still possessed the ulnare bone in the form of cartilage. Later, pennaraptors lost the cartilage of the ulnare, making the pisiform part of the wrist, and avialans enlarged the latter.

Then, in ornithuromorphs, the fusion of the semilunate and distal carpal bones into the carpometacarpal bone began, a process that would be completed in modern birds.

If you're wondering how they regenerated the pisiform bone they had lost, the most likely explanation is that theropods didn't ossify this bone; rather, it was cartilage that ossified later in their evolutionary history. Alternatively, it may not have been preserved due to its small size, its location as a sesamoid bone, and its fragile nature.

>"A large, ossified pisiform re-evolved in the lineage leading to birds, after a period in which it was either absent, nonossified, or very small, consistently escaping fossil preservation"

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001957

However, many maniraptor fossils have preserved their pisiform shape, so it was probably present in all of them. These include:

  • Microraptor
  • Ambopteryx
  • Citipati

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09232-3#Abs1

Maniraptorans are also intermediate in radial angle:

  1. Early tetanurans had a radial angle of 9°.
  2. Basal coelurosaurs had one of 15°.
  3. In primitive maniraptors, this angle was 25°.
  4. In advanced maniraptors, it was 31 to 51°.
  5. Avialans have one of 55°.

This is related to the wrist abduction angle, in which they are also intermediate, since Deinonychus and Bambiraptor had an angle of abduction of approximately 62°, while modern birds have one close to 120°.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article-abstract/277/1690/2027/73198/The-asymmetry-of-the-carpal-joint-and-the?redirectedFrom=fulltext

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41721840_The_asymmetry_of_the_carpal_joint_and_the_evolution_of_wing_folding_in_maniraptoran_theropod_dinosaurs

4. Wing Configuration

It is well known today that maniraptorans possessed wings; however, we should not assume that these were like those of modern birds. Before doing so, we must review the structure of modern bird wings.

The wings of modern birds are composed of:

Primary Feathers: Long and rigid, inserted into the carpometacarpus and phalanges; they provide propulsion.

Secondary Feathers: Attached to the ulna, they provide lift.

Tertiary Feathers: Located close to the body, they fill the space between the wing and the body.

Alula: A small group of feathers on the "thumb" (leading edge) that prevents loss of lift at low speeds (maneuverability).

Coverlets: Smaller feathers that cover the base of the flight feathers, giving them an aerodynamic shape.

We must also remember that the propatagium, a tissue in the wings of modern birds that allows for feather extension, exists. Another important detail is that modern feathers are asymmetrical, which makes them aerodynamic and suitable for flight.

Now, can we see the gradual development of these characteristics in maniraptors within their phylogeny? Yes.

  1. Ancestral condition of theropods: simple filaments; they had neither wings nor a propatagium.
  2. Maniraptorans: feathers with a central rachis but filamentous; these are also found on the forearm and can be considered wings, all of which is demonstrated by ormitomymosaurs.
  3. Penaraptora: the propatagium and penaceous feathers appear.
  4. Paraves: asymmetrical feathers suitable for flight.
  5. Avialae (sensu lato): covert and primary feathers arranged primitively and poorly differentiated.
  6. Avialae (sensu stricto): greater organization of feathers.
  7. Pygostylia: virtually modern arrangement (differentiation of all feather types) except for the absence of the aula.
  8. Ornithuthoraces: appearance of aula feathers.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982220315116#fig3

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40851-023-00204-x#Sec9

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(12)01194-3

Therefore, the claim that incomplete wings are useless is completely false, and this is well known.

>"In Archaeopteryx, primaries are overlapped by long dorsal and ventral coverts. Anchiornis has a similar configuration but is more primitive in having short, slender, symmetrical remiges. Archaeopteryx and Anchiornis therefore appear to represent early experiments in the evolution of the wing."

5. Pelvis, Sacral Vertebrae, and Femur

One of the synapomorphies that distinguishes dinosaurs from any other reptile is the number of sacral vertebrae, which ancestrally numbered at least 3, but this increased over time.

We also know that all dinosaurs had perforated (not necessarily open) acetabulums, and theropods originally had forward-facing pubic bones.

Finally, dinosaur femurs ancestrally had 4 trochanters: the greater trochanter, the third trochanter, and the fourth trochanter.

https://www.nature.com/articles/248168a0

The current condition of birds is: having 11 or more sacral vertebrae; a rearward-facing pubis; perforated, but not completely open, acetabulums; and a maximum of 3 trochanters.

Now, can we see the origin and development of these characteristics and mosaics within maniraptorans? As always, yes.

Advanced maniraptorans had a maximum of three trochanters, and the fourth was often small in advanced groups, similar to primitive birds like ratites (ostriches, emus, tinamous, etc.) or sapeornis. However, they only had five or six sacral vertebrae, like other theropods. While many forms have a backward-facing pubis, it is not as pronounced as in modern birds, although this group, like birds, has partially open acetabula.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272152774_First_occurrence_of_Deinonychus_antirrhopus_Dinosauria_Theropoda_from_the_Antlers_Formation_Lower_Cretaceous_Aptian-Albian_of_Oklahoma 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7930772/#joa13356-sec-0008 

This makes them transitional in these aspects, representing a mosaic between modern birds and theropod dinosaurs, being much more similar to the latter than to highly derived forms in many respects.

Therefore, we have the following scenario:

  1. Dinosauria: 4 ancestral trochanters; 3 sacral vertebrae; Open acetabula and pubis facing forward.
  2. Theropods: only 3 trochanters, 5 sacral vertebrae; open acetabula and pubis facing forward.
  3. Maniraptora: only 3 trochanters, 5 to 6 sacral vertebrae; open acetabula and pubis facing backward.
  4. Pennaraptora: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 5 to 6 sacral vertebrae; open acetabula and pubis facing backward.
  5. Avialae: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 5 to 6 sacral vertebrae; acetabula partially open and pubis facing backward.
  6. Euaviale: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 6 to 7 sacral vertebrae; acetabula partially open and pubis facing backward.
  7. Pygostilya: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 7 sacral vertebrae; acetabula partially open and pubis facing backward.
  8. Ornithutoraces: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 8 sacral vertebrae; acetabula partially open and pubis facing backward.
  9. Euornithes: only 3 or 2 trochanters, 10 to 11 sacral vertebrae; partially open acetabula and pubis facing backward.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pala.12362 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10762339_Jeholornis_compared_to_Archaeopteryx_with_a_new_understanding_of_the_earliest_avian_evolution 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1oxz7tq/sacral_vertebrae_in_fossil_birds_refutes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button 

 With this, we have shown multiple characteristics of maniraptoran dinosaurs, both primitive (similar to other theropods) and transitional. We have demonstrated that they are not "100% avian" and emphasized their transitional nature.

In the second part, we will explore the characteristics that differentiate Archaeopteryx from other maniraptorans. Its transitional characteristics are also included in this text:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1tg9kj1/transitional_nature_of_archaeopteryx_and_other/

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