he could take an Omen attack in Base and finish his swing, while in his dragon form he took a named attack from Imu using a giant omen and he we see him uninjured afterwards, remember that Omen is Imu's military might despite the fact he possesses greater haki than anything in God Valley.
could the old gen even hurt him significantly?
Loki vs Imu has became the current main topic, and with it already being decently long, i wanted to analyse it to give my idea of the fight.
NERFS: before starting, i wanted to point out that both characters are nerfed, Imu cannot stay outside of the Holyland and the moment he landed on Elbaph he spit a lot of blood, and Loki got severaly injured before to the point of being close to death, and no he isn’t an awakened zoan so that doesn't mean he's already fully healed and it would also diminish Oda intent and the whole reason Loki even got injured, as you would have to suggest Oda added a narrative point that is useless, which is unlikely to be the case.
BASE LOKI VS IMU: Loki launch a named attack using Ragnir but Imu block pretty casually using Omen, then Imu becomes a giant and attacks Loki with Omen, which Loki reacts to and clash evenly, then Imu manages to blitz Loki and pierce him with a named attack, Loki gets up and tries to attack again but Imu outspeed him and land another attack with Omen, Loki withstands it and attacks but Imu dodges easily, we then see Loki is sitting on the ground, gets up and hits a distracted Imu sending him to the adam tree and injuring him.
MY OPINION: Imu may not be going all out, as he wants to make Loki his soldier, but if he could have knocked out Loki at any time, then he would have, so it is a feat for Loki that he withstood attacks from Imu and kept going, speed wise Loki got far outclassed as he was blitzed twice, but still managed to react atleast once which is impressive, then he managed to hurt Imu but counting the fact he was distracted we can't really say how impressive it is, overall if Imu's intention was to kill Loki he could have probably done it when he stabbed him, and also had Loki on the ground but decided to job and had flashbacks of Joy Boy, so yea Base Loki isn't really close to Imu and would get no to low diffed.
DRAGON LOKI VS IMU: Loki's Thorheim got Imu worried and forced him to block with Omen, but Imu succeeded, then they both use a named attack, Imu seems to block while Loki tanks, then Loki launches another named attack which Imu counters using another named attack.
OPINION: the fact Loki got imu worried is impressive considering he has haki higher than anything seen at God Valley, and the fact Loki could tank attacks from Imu's military might (that should scale above his haki) so casually is impressive asf, and also Imu has always to use a named attack to counter Loki's right now.
CONCLUSION: Loki is for sure only getting upscaled from this, to give a diff right now wouldn't be possible as the fight didn't end and both has yet to go all out.
rules: you need to have Akainu and Aokiji above the verse combined, you need to have Greenbull above both Kaido and Big Mom together, you need to have Fujitora above both DR Xebec and HK Harald and Kizaru above Imu.
when you make a claim, you have to prove it, when you make a claim and the other answer, you can't ask him for proof as you are the one who has the burden, and for the ones who has to answer to a claim, never answer with a debunk, you are just switching your position on the positive, and will have to be the one to prove things, so ASK first to X to prove his claim.
if you make a claim without using proof, then you can't expect to receive an answer with proof, something asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence via hitchens razor, and if you expect a claim to be true only because it is generally considered as such, then that's an appeal to popularity fallacy.
see you in the next lesson from your dear best powerscaler.
"yea i'm Lhawn the fraudbot, what do you wanna know🤓".
first, one of the greatest battle in One Piece Power Scalinh history has ended, Moon_Raigo vs Barnacle, which ended in the crushing defeat of Barnacle who deleted his account, paying respect to the bet.
on the other side, in OPPS0, Gen_Shot defeated Mr. Bean, and then an unexpected turn of events! Mr. Bean departed from OPPS0, deleting his account too.
let's pay homage to our dear brother Mr. Bean, one of the most liked members, which introduced one of the best formats, Magazine Issue, which he posted 1, 2 and 2.5 (second contains my interview!).
FRIENDSHIP AND THE KING OF THE WORLD: we learn from chapter 1181 that Imu and Joy Boy knew each other and seemed friends, with Imu holding a grudge against Joy Boy, hinting a deep connection between the two, we know Imu was a Monarch of the first 20 kingdoms and that Joy Boy was born in the Ancient Kingdom, i believe that Imu and Joy Boy knew themselves because of war, similar to Hashirama and Madara in Naruto, i believe all 19 previous kingdoms were in war against the Ancient Kingdom, which was lead by none other than Davy Jones, who was stated to be the previous King Of The World by Xebec, we know the Ancient Kingdom had far greater technology than even Egghead, which would reinforce why Xebec considered his ancestor Davy D. Jones the king of the world, because the Ancient Kingdom was the strongest even against the combined 19, basically ruling the world.
A FIGHT OF IDEALS: as we know, Emeth wanted to make Joy Boy king, and Imu later became king, so it's fair to assume both wanted to take Davy Jones place, but then, we know they have way different ideals, so how could they have been friends, how can friendship be born between two opposite polar? it would be logical to assume one of the two changed their view with the course of time.
THE FALLEN ANGEL: i believe that due to something that happened, Imu completely changed his view and started to question whether Joy Boy view was really the right way, i think that somehow, someway, Imu found himself eating the Devil's Fruit, which was forbidden to humanity, paralleling Adam and Eve who eat the Devil's apple which God forbid them to, both getting banished from the Eden Garden, but in this case, we Imu entered in the Eden Garden, paralleled by his Room Of Flowers in Pangea Castle, and within how that first sin changed the pure heart of humanity, banishing them in a world full of sins, i think that fruit corrupted Imu to the point of non return, and since then has a double personality caused by the fruit that was once part of the Gods of the first world (i will talk about that later).
THE BETRAYAL OF JUDAS AND THE FALL OF THE KING: upon a undetermined period of time, Imu betrayed Joy Boy's faction which i believe at that time was something like the Revolutionary Army is for the world now vs the Ancient Kingdom, but instead was loved by the world, Imu used his powers to corrupt the 19 kings and Omen to beat Davy Jones and take the throne for himself, we see a weird aura around the 19 kings when it's shown their fight vs Joy Boy, so much like the way it's shown for the Holy Knights silhouette.
NEFERTARI D. LILY: it got obvious that Lily has a connection with Imu due to the way he acts and talks about her, but who was her? well Lily as we know was Alabasta's Queen of the first 20 kingdoms, this builds a very likelihood way for her and Imu to know each others, and as i said before, i think Joy Boy faction was like a Revolutionary Army but loved by the 20 kingdoms, who worked with them, that way Joy Boy made have known Lily, and that way the relationship between the three started, but as we know Lily choose Joy Boy and left the first 20 kingdom, this would parallel the story of Lilith, which was considered in the ancient Ebraism Folklore to have been the first woman created alongside Adam before Eve, but this time she wasn't created from Adam, but alongside him as equals, but Lily left Adam and the Eden because he wanted to be her superior, paralleling Vivi leaving Imu, but how did she manage to not get controlled like the first 20 kings? it could be because Vivi was none other than successor of the Rain God Zaza! (or maybe she just escaped beforehand).
GOD VS DEVIL: and then, the greatest battle in the One Piece world began, Imu rappresents the Devil and the Antichrist, the two worst figures in christianity in many ways, his appearence rappresent how people usually see the Devil, his beautiful appearence like Lucifer who was considered the most beautiful angel, his many eyes-cherubin like, like Lucifer, the fact he gives covenants parallels the Antichrist mark of beast found in the last book of the Bible, his name, Nerona, similar to Nerone, a king of ancient rome, who caused a giant fire in Rome and blamed the christians for it, which then made him be called the Antichrist.
then comes Joy Boy, who's symbolism rappresents God and Christ, Kuma had a bible on his hand, was a Priest in a Church, a cross and prayed costantly, was the biggest believer of Nika, Nika who was said to appear when the enslaved prayed, and rappresents freedom, like God who isn't bound by anything.
BONUS GOD VS DEVIL: Dracule Mihawk is one of the character that hints this connection more than anyone, his name "Dracule" means "son of the devil", his eyes are like Imu's, his sword Yoru means Night, which in Greek Folklore, is the father of Nemesis, and atttack used by Imu, both swords, yet Mihawk said Luffy’s possess the most dangerous ability, that of turning those around him in allies, and his sword, Yoru, is cross shaped like and his necklace that he uses as a knife is just literally a cross.
BATTLE OF IDEOLOGIES: what shapes humanity is the difference in ideologies between individuals which brought to boundless of fights, here is just another case, Imu isn't just evil to be evil, he has his own ideology, he truly think Dominion is the only true bliss of the world, humanity lust for power is too easily gained->Corruption, humanity does indeed, since it's birth, search for greater power, from just rocks, to now nuclear bombs, servitude out of self-interest->Covenants, the majority of humanity prefer to choose its leader and leaving the biggest problems to another instead having the burden, and the envy that seeks to achieve one's goal->The Power Of Omen, life is a race where only those who achieve their dreams wins, Imu's ideology isn't easy at surface level, and isn't wrong either, Freedom is difficult and exhausting, as shown with Bonney and Luffy, it needs the full will of an individual to achieve, so is Freedom really potrayed to be the better ideology?
THE FIRST WORLD: many believes all these gods doesn't exist, but if so then the first world being a thing doesn't make sense, but we do know it has existed, it's written in the mural, i imagine it really existed, the gods really existed and it was like Olimpus from greek mythology, i think all the devil fruits were actually powers that people in the first world possessed, and the mythical gods we hear of were the ones above all, Imu has the fruit that once was the earth god, Joy Boy sun god, Rain God Lily, Forest God?, Sea God Poseidon?, and then i think that Nidhogg is the celestial dragon, and that once was the biggest ally of the earth god, paralleling of Satan is often called Earth God and flies a dragon called Hydra, would also explain why Imu knows Nidhogg and called him a traitor based on spoilers from the new chapter.
credit to this post which inspired me alot: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/FxQVV4GId3
REVERIE INCIDENT: in chapter 1155, Xebec and Harald had their first interaction ever, where they both equally clash showing ACoC and ACoA, blowing any sign of others for 5km with both Harald and Xebec laughing because of their fighting blood.
many pass this moment as a simple clash, but in a flashback were we have very little fighting moments, a clash can have a strong meaning behind, Oda introduced these two fighting for the first time against each other in an equal clash that was emphatized by the narrator, with the characters recognizing each others as fighter.
XEBEC VS HARALD: in chapter 1158, Harald and Xebec fight, the fight starts offscreen, but when it gets onscreen, we see massive haki strikes that covers large part of Elbaph, then we see Harald and Xebec clash and sending each others back, with the both of em bleeding heavily, then Xebec dodges one of Harald'a attack akd tries to land a hit, but gets blocked and overpowered, then Harald is lost in his inner thoughts and lets Xebec land a hit, then both clash again with again the haki strikes that cover large part of Elbaph and we don't know how it goes on.
here, both are clearly potrayed as equals, both doing massive haki clashes, sending each others back, bleeding heavily, with Harald even overpowering him, people claim that Xebec was holding back and Harald not, but we clearly see a moment of Harald literally stopping fighting when he could keep attacking a knocked down Xebec, havìng FLASHBACKS and a beyond sad expression, Harald had to choice between his best friend and a step to complete his dream of peace, meaning he was under a high mental effort, and we see that Oda only showed us Xebec "defeating" Harald when Harald let him go, and he was having a mental breakdown when he died and he couldn't do anything about it.
XEBEC VIEW OF HARALD: Xebec always viewed Harald as an equal through his statements, many pass it out as just because of the Elbaph fruit and Galley La, but they literally leave out how Xebec too wanted a fruit and build himself the greatest lineup in piracy history to date, and also how Xebec asked a Base Harald to save his ass from God Valley.
HOLY KNIGHT AMP: the Holy Knight amp has significantly increased Harald strenght, to the point it feared him, that it's called superhuman and that Loki couldn't capacitate that it was really Harald strenght, questioning were that "monster" strenght came from, https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/Wh17ItmIk i also cover his fight on Aurust Castle vs Shanks and Gaban and also his regeneration ability.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling0/s/xU74C0LlrE, here i cover Xebec scaling.
CONCLUSION: Harald scales to Xebec who scales to top old gen level, and obviously HK Harald outscales old gen and is at DR Xebec level, i can't really say who's stronger between HK Harald and DR Xebec, i think HK Harald has stronger statements for sure, DR Xebec fights more efficiently, he relies on defence while Harald on regeneration.
**Kaido's view**: Kaido considered Xebec among the 5 strongest pirates he has witnessed and a individual capable of fighting him, this puts Xebec above someone like Shiki who has fought both Garp and Sengoku until half marineford was destroyed, meaning he wasn’t just neg or no diffed instantly, something not possible if he didn't atleast somewhat scale to them, and it also prove Xebec scales to Kaido, but where does Kaido compared to the old gen? for that we have get through Oden's scaling.
Oden has been stated by the narrator to have been comparable(not equal, the word used means on the same level/comparable) to the best pirates, more specifically Roger and Whitebeard, now many contends it because the word "shoulder-to-shoulder" which doesn't necessarely mean equal in power was used, but suggesting it was used to just describe Oden travelling with them is going against the semantic and doylist of the author, the whole text was nothing but a praise to Oden and mentioning a simple like just "travelling" which we already had witnessed doesn't connect with what the text was trying to do, which is prasing Oden by conveying how he's comparable to the best pirates.
Oden previous established scaling pre statement also suggest this, a many times weaker Oden was already seen as a threat by Wb and managed to evenly clash with him creating a haki explosion, then 4 years later Oden was again recognized by Roger that stepped in instead of Rayleigh and Gaban to deal with the matter himself, Oden took the Divine Departure and instantly got up with minor damage and this was before Roger wanted to recruit him, and considering that Oden previously hurt his comrades there was no reason for Roger to go "easy", then Whitebeard considering one of the main reasons for not going to Wano Kaido for the fact Oden couldn't deal with him, and take in mind that Wb only knows Oden pre ACoC strenght, all of this scaling comes from a significantly weaker Oden, meaning Prime Oden would most likely highly scale to the old gen trio as the statement suggested.
Kaido scales to Oden even 20 years ago, 25 years ago in Base he was able to hold off briefly a furious Oden, then Oden before going into the battle with the beast pirates wasn't sure about the fact he would have beat Kaido, and then in the actual fight Dragon Kaido fought Oden in a prolonged fight and even pressured him alot, so basically two versions that aren't the strongest of Kaido even 20 years ago can be argued to scale to Oden somewhat, so Prime Kaido would definitely scale to Oden or above.
**Roger's strongest enemy**: it was stated by Sengoku that Xebec is perhaps Roger's strongest enemy, Sengoku is by any means a reliable source in this specific case, the fact he didn't know exactly what happened at God Valley doesn't mean he wouldn't know the strenght of Xebec, Xebec was a well known threat had fights with Garp that they were also discussing alongside Kong, so Sengoku should be very aware of how strong Xebec was, and the external sources statements (which are made from sources that have the power to make statements about the manga and have Oda's name on them and should be taken as true unless contradicted by a higher source, like the Manga), and the statements refers to Base Xebec as Sengoku didn't know about DR Xebec and the statements are in reference to Xebec before DR was even a thing so even pre DR Xebec had narrative of being Roger's strongest enemy and DR existing can just be an amp on top of the already strongest Roger's enemy.
**Xebec was equal to GV Roger and Garp**: it's confirmed that Roger and Garp fought Xebec, yes, but there's no statements or feats about how the fights went, thus going by alders razor, it's not even worth discussing about that, since as i said we don't know any circumstances of said fights, and just saying "well Garp and Roger are alive" doesn't prove anything as you would have to prove Xebec wanted to kill them, or that he needs to kill them to be stronger or win, and it would also just blatantly ignore the narrative need of keeping Roger and Garp alive.
**Conclusion**: Xebec has three different ways of scaling to the old gen prime, first by being above Shiki who scales to Sengoku and Garp somewhat, then to Kaido who scales Oden who scales to old gen Prime, then with being Roger's strongest enemy which puts him above Whitebeard, Garp, Sengoku etc., so at worst Xebec either gets extreme diffed by old gen or extreme diffs them.
now i'll speak seriously, guys, my dear fellows, this is a POWERSCALINGSUB, P O W E R S C A L I N G SUB, like why have this sub become a telenovela/TV Drama? who gives a shit what Least did in whoever knows what sub was that, let’s just unban who he banned and make sure this doesn't happen again.
like, there's way more focus about this than the current powerscaling tournament that Joe put so much effort to make for this sub, or Mr.Bean's newspaper which is so amazing.
after all of this, we should just remove any post that doesn't talk about One Piece or Animangas at best.
it's a popular topic in the One Piece community, those who blame the marines for their apparently evil doings and those who praise the "heroes" of the story, the Strawhats, but is that right?
i think that to label characters as evil or good is too simplistic, as it's often said, it's not all black and white, people hate on the celestial dragons and call them the absolute evil of the world, but is it really right? i don't think so, the celestial dragons are the descendants of the first 19 families that created the One Piece world, winning against Joy Boy's faction, as such, they are considered the gods of the world.
is it right to blame them for doing what they want? to defy the creators and gods of the world?, it's rather hypocrital, celestial dragons rule over humans as humans rule over animals, it's the life chain of the One Piece world, the higher life rules over the lower, human beings can create their definition of evil, but even so the celestial dragons wouldn't fall under it, how can we call them evil, if they never experienced good? how can you know good if you only lived evil, how can you know evil if you only lived good?
we saw Mjosgard, a celestial dragon changing in what humans label as "good" thanks to the queen of fishmen island one of the best rapresentation of pure heart in one piece, which proves my point, celestial dragons can easily change if faced with good.
another misconception is how people label marines as evil for morally bad things they did (killing Ohara innocents, killing innocents pregnant mothers) but both things were done to avoid the greater threat, the first could have brought to the creation of world ending weapons that could have gone into wrong hands, the second to avoid the second coming of a pirate king, since the previous one started the age of piracy that brought a age of terror in the world of civilians.
Freedom vs Dominion: is our MC's ideology the right one?, is Oda trying to make us think that? it's highlighted through Bonney and Luffy Gear 5 trasformation that Freedom may feel good at the start, but it's extremely tiring in the long run, while Dominion is the easier way, all you have to do is let the problem of the world to other ones hands, is Imu the devil or god because of that? what's the difference?.
there's no answer, it's only up to the viewer to decide.
Armament Haki: the pinnacle of swordsmanship is tied to advanced armament haki, as in both its referenced that a great swordsman can cut what he wants to cute and will not cut what he wishes not to cut, Mihawk being the greatest swordsman, meaning his armament haki is at the pinnacle compared to every other swordsman.
Observation Haki: although we don't have direct feats or statements, we know Mihawk is called "Hawk-Eye" and was originally going to be called "Clairvoyant", both these titles strongly suggestes a highly level of observation haki, apart from that, the BOAT has a concept that is basically the same as observation haki, with Zoro feeling where things are without seeing them, which is what is exactly said about Observation Haki when it was first introduced by Rayleigh.
Conqueror's Haki: here again, we don't have feats or statements, but we can assert through parsimony that he has that, the strongest swordsmen we know of use it to enhance their swordsmanship, ACoC was considered the pinnacle of Zoro’s swordsmanship, so it's a way more likely intepretation that Mihawk has top tier Conqueror's Haki than not.
AP pt.1: Yoru's stated to be the strongest blade, meaning it scales above every other blades, blades who in reference can take the full power of characters like Whitebeard, Roger, Shanks, Xebec, Harald and even Imu, and it would be non sense to argue Mihawk can't use its fullpower, he's stated to be the only one who would be able to wield it(The jet-black long sword that no one but Mihawk can wield scan 9), Mihawk challenged Zoro to best HIS BLADE, and it's a concept that blades chooses their wielder, so it's a given that this concept would best be rapresented by the one who's the greatest in the way of the sword.
Ap pt.2: Zoro thinks that if he was a better swordsman he would be able to shatter the cage he was in, meaning being a better swordsman would also mean being able to exert more force, Mihawk being better than Shanks with the sword, means he can exert more force.
Ap pt.3: it can be argued that Mihawk can bypass the durability of everything, as it was previously established, the pinnacle of swordsmanship is to be able to cut anything one wishes to cut, one could bring the fact he didn't manage to cut Jozu at marineford, but the attack wasn't aimed for him in the first place, thus making the argument still valid.
Speed: being the strongest swordsman means beating every other swordsman in a fight, as that's the only way Zoro can take the title from Mihawk, meaning Mihawk would have to scale relative in speed to someone like Shanks, who is stated to be able to fight toe to toe with navy admirals-like Kizaru who went toe to toe with Luffy.
Conclusion (without counting gods):
Armament Haki: top 1
Observation Haki: potentially top 1
Conqueror's Haki: potentially top 3 to 1
Ap: top 1/2
Speed: top 10 atleast
Overall: top 3 to top 1
am i the only one that feels like the One Piece scaling ever since the flashback ended has become really boring? i mean, the villain is Imu, whatever happens doesn't really impress me, because it's already a given, while in the flashback you didn't know how strong characters like Harald and Loki were.
Loki was a really good point of speech for the community, yet he's still bound by a lot of different opinions.
there's also the tournament, but its pace is making it kinda of a one boost of motion that vanishes soon.