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Jerks Are Worse than Villains (Illumination): Part 1

Jerks Are Worse than Villains (Illumination): Part 1

Note: Migration and The Grinch are not included on the list because they have no true unlikable antagonists other than Chef.

Despicable Me: Vector is a smug, egotistical asshole who kidnaps the girls solely to spite Gru and refuses to give them back after Gru gives up the moon, but his goofy personality, wacky antics, and incompetence make him outright impossible to hate. Likewise, while there isn't much to talk about Mr. Perkins, the owner of the Bank of Evil and Vector's father, he's more of a Straight Man than anything as his reasons for not wanting to fund Gru's schemes are completely understandable and he is further humanized by his sincere love for his son. On the other hand, the unnamed Jerkass carnival barker who taunts and rips off Gru, Margo, Edith, and Agnes in the carnival scene doesn't get much love for being a complete jackass to them over a rigged technicality with his shooting range booth's game and refuses the girls their rightly deserved prize over Exact Words, but he goes off lightly due to being a Large Ham One-Scene Wonder and getting his comeuppance by Gru completely destroying his booth and winning the girls the prize. In stark contrast, Miss Hattie is the most repugnant, reviled, and despicable character in the film due to her callous nature (especially where the girls are concerned), her more realistic cruelty, her complete lack of any redeeming qualities, and ending up a Karma Houdini.

Hop: Carlos is a devious and brooding and somewhat petty but still laughably evil charming villain with great voice acting who is a chick who showed annoyance over having Mr. Bunny and the other rabbits not give himself and the chicks in the Easter preparations or considering making him the next-in-line Easter Chick and give the chicks a swing at serving as the commanders for Easter and him choosing to overthrow and kill Mr. Bunny and his friends and family rather than just try to ask him some more for the position made sense over the fact that he never once approved of his idea and his one-winged angel form in the climax was also pretty great, and gets a satisfying comeuppance when he is demoted to one of the chicks pulling the egg sleigh for the rest of his life while Phil becomes the new leader of the chicks, Phil also gets some love over the fact that he was never a villain himself but just doing whatever he thought made Carlos happy until he reconsiders it at the very end through E.B's music. (Because you were nice to me) The Pink Berets are also loved and respected despite their little screen time and audiences thought that they deserved more...

Mr. Bunny, E.B.'s father and Fred O' Hare's family are not any better considering the fact Mr. Bunny acted like a disrespectful and unintentionally unsympathetic father to E.B. for his passion of becoming a drummer that his unseen mother Mrs. Bunny likely introduced him to and forces him to become the Easter Bunny and not become the drummer he dreamed of becoming and even going far as to call him selfish for it just for having self doubts and second thoughts about taking the role when assuming that drumming is all that he is good at, rather than just choose under one of his kids to take on the role since rabbits are born in litters to take on the role leaving E.B. no choice but to run away from home to achieve his dream (Until he undergoes his character development where he decides to accept his role as the Easter Bunny and learns that he is in fact worthy for it and he can still be a drummer when he doesn't do it.) while Fred's family act disrespectfully towards Fred for being an unemployed lazy bum as they forcibly make him leave their house, try to apply for a job and housesit the mansion of the boss of Fred's sister with an implied death threat and were the primary reason Fred antagonized and got off on the wrong foot with E.B. at first while he stayed at the mansion with him for a while to avoid getting himself in trouble with his sister until he makes amends with him for it at the end, when both sides learn that they are not so different after all and Fred's adoptive sister had annoying and off-key but also funny singing at her school's Easter pendant which even E.B. despised and she and Fred's father get annoyed at Fred for stealing the spotlight with E.B. who he pretended was his ventriloquist dummy to the point where Fred's adoptive sister steals the flowers Fred was given by some kid actors for the pendant for his performance.

Although Mr. Bunny does eventually show remorse over his actions and apologize and make amends with E.B. who in return does the same with his father and accepts his position as the Easter Bunny and serve as a drummer when he is not doing the job, the redemptions of Fred's family and their apology felt quite unearned and not heartily said because they don't do anything valuable to redeem themselves in the meantime. Although Fred's father does still at least apologize heartily himself.

Mrs. Bunny, E.B.'s mother and his siblings also never appear either... (And typically rabbits are born in litters)

The Lorax (2012): The Once-ler's family are more hateable and detestable than the Once-ler himself and even O'Hare. Whereas the Once-ler is a sympathetic villain who simply went down the wrong path because of his family's presence, and O'Hare is a Love to Hate guy, the Once-ler's family are shown to be realistically abusive towards the Once-ler and are the reason why he started chopping down the trees to begin with, and when everything went downhill, they abandoned him, taking no accountability for anything at all.

Sing (2016): Although there are no real villains in the movie as all its conflict just comes from Buster Moon trying to save his theater from closure and the personal conflicts of the constants for the singing competition in terms of insecurities and struggles with their friends and families (Ash, Meena, Rosita and Johnny), the closet things there are to antagonists are Mike, Judith and the Bears themselves.

Mike, a money-greedy jazz musician as well as the bears that he cheated on which indirectly cause Moon Theater's destruction get some love and appreciation for their charm and deviousness and wisecracking attitudes while Lance, Ash's boyfriend who cheats on her and gets a new girl Becky due to her neglecting him for her rehearsals in the singing competition in her own apartment due have a somewhat understandable freudian excuse for doing so, and gets some charm himself. The bears also had a good reason why they feuded with Mike at first for cheating on them for their money, Johnny's father Big Daddy, while not actually a villain is an anti-hero with a well-written redemption arc.

Judith, Buster Moon's bank representative isn't any better considering the fact that she acts so unsympathetic and unsupportive towards Buster not in a nice but rather obnoxious, naggy, strict and harsh way when his theater struggles and when Buster decides to put on his singing competition in a last ditch effort in order to save his theater, the llama gives the koala absolutely zero support for his show and threatens to have the bank possess the theater if his singing competition doesn't go great as planned and evict Buster which would leave the koala homeless and jobless and after the theater is destroyed, Judith possess the theater and evicts Buster with absolutely zero sympathy and it caused with the disastrous show caused the koala to fall into depression and despair and give up all hope of being the showman he is again until Eddie and Meena convince him to reconsider. The writers try to excuse Judith's actions over her only doing her job as the bank representative that she is, and a lawfully neutral citizen, but she still does so in a selfish and nasty kind of way, and treating Buster and his friends like they are the bad guys for breaking the rules for the right reason despite it not being that big of a deal in reality and she has Buster listed as a danger to society for the incident over the theater's destruction despite it all being Mike and the Bears' fault, Buster never intended for it all to happen.

Later on in the movie, when Buster and the protagonists decide to have the singing competition in the lot of the former theater just for fun, Judith tries to intervene during Ash's performance of "Set It All Free" and order Buster to shut the show down and send everyone home simply because they are trespassing on her private property, despite it not being a real crime, as the police were in full-approval and when they refuse and continue the show, Judith remorselessly tries to telephone the police and force them to come and arrest everyone for trespassing the lot, including Rosita's kids, who are children for crying out loud, showing that she would hurt a child!

Judith only sees the error of her ways and reforms after Ash's performance ends as she never calls the police to arrest everyone and shut the show down but instead stays to watch the show and after it ends allows Nana Goodleman who also attended to buy the lot and have the theater rebuilt and reopened, even awkwardly attending its re-opening ceremony. But many audiences saw Judith's redemption was pointless, unearned and a little too late because she never expresses any remorse over her actions, apologizes or even admits that she was wrong, and her post-redeemed self hardly got any time onscreen. But since the llama never appeared again throughout the rest of the Sing franchise since then even in Sing 2 and Sing: Thriller, its safe to assume that she got some sort of offscreen punishment for her actions by being fired from her job as bank representative, or arrested by the police and given community service for using abuse authority while doing so or even given a taste of her own medicine for how she treated Buster by also being left homeless and jobless or was written out altogether for being too unlikable.

Despicable Me 3 (2017): Balthazar Bratt is a mischievous but in a laughably evil type way and soiopthaic man-child villain who is obsessed with destroying and having revenge on Los Angeles and its residents for cancelling his show due to him hitting puberty after only performing as a child in it at first, and even doesn't hesitate in hurting or worse killing Agnes, Edith and Margo and Lucky the Goat, much like how Vector threatened to kill Agnes, Edith and Margo in the first movie, but gets a lot of charm for his 80s vibe styles, technology and the good performance his voice actor puts on for him in the movie.

Valerie Da Vinci, the new CEO of the anti-villain league after Silas Ramsbottom retires briefly however, isn't any better and is far more unlikable considering the fact that she basically does a slacking job as new leader of the agency, doing it more for the fame instead of helping the other people and she barges in and kicks out Silas during his retirement without giving him a proper exit just for being "old" and mercilessly fires Gru from the agency not for his failure to arrest Balthazar but also stopping his theft of the diamond, which she also acted ungrateful towards (Ungrateful bastard) but simply because she has biases towards villains former or official like Gru himself and skepticism over them being agents in the anti-villain league and fires Lucy as well simply for being on Gru's side of the agreement over his firing being a bad thing. Valerie also never tries to have the agency do anything valuable to find and arrest Balthazar and stop his evil plans even after he successfully steals the diamond later on in the meantime. Valerie never appears again since then (Except in Gru's imagination over him and Lucy getting rehired at the anti-villain league for stopping Balthazar's evil plans by stealing back the diamond, but even if it did work, it all would have been for nothing because they still failed to arrest Balthazar.) even after Gru and Lucy are rehired as secret agents at the anti-villain league at the end for stopping and arresting Balthazar and its unclear if she ever got any sort of comeuppance for her actions or even apologized to Gru and Lucy and admitted how wrong she was.

But due to Valerie's absence in the fourth movie, its safe to assume that like Judith in the first Sing movie, she got some sort of offscreen comeuppance for her actions offscreen when Gru and Lucy made Silas aware of how poorly she does at her job as the new leader of the agency and disrespected them poorly and got her fired and given a way harsher punishment for it while Silas resumed his position as the head of the anti-villain league for being the more rightful leader.

The minions including Stuart, Bob and Kevin themselves also build around his troupe considering the fact that they all expect for two of the minions cut their losses and leave Gru's service simply because they grew bored over them not really being needed due to Gru and Lucy being busy and handling their secret agent duties more on their own and wishing to return to villainy which Gru refuses to have them resume out of morality even after he and Lucy get fired, and they get themselves into some trouble at a singing performance for trespassing and got arrested and sent to prison, until they realize the error of their ways and escape and reunite with and reconcile with Gru and aid him and his family in defeating Balthazar in the climax and serve him in his service again even if they did choose to accompany Dru in the villainy he planned to commit behind Gru and Lucy's backs before they stop him.

Sing 2 (2021): Jimmy Crystal appears as the main villain of the movie, and is a hate sink who runs Crystal Entertainment, with control freak mannerisms and a hair-trigger temper one of the finest media companies in Redshore City and acts as an abusive father to Porsha Crystal blackmailing her into performing into the musical plays at his theater in the lead roles to make him and his family look famous despite her poor acting skills to return his love and respect in return and destroying Suki Lane's enthusiasm with his wrath as her bad boss before Buster helps her restore it and worst of all remorselessly sadistically kills the theater managers who don't give him the musical plays that he wants done his way performed perfectly at his theater by dropping them off the roof of his skyscraper and watching them fall to their painful deaths below and lying about it to the public (He said that the managers committed suicide, for unknown reasons and hid their corpses, until Suki reports Jimmy's crimes to the police at the end and has him arrested for them as a good comeuppance for them.) and almost tried to force Buster to endure the same fate twice but luckily failed due to the actions of Rosita and Jerry, but he still gets some love and appreciation from others for his devious and brooding attitudes and looks, love to hate qualities, his voice actor Bobby Cannavale's performance of him and him being a superior villain to Judith from the first movie in addition to being the good evil and darker counterpart to Buster Moon, Rosita and Clay Calloway altogether.

Porsha Crystal and Suki Lane as well as Jerry and Linda Le Bon also get some love and appreciation for not being that annoying or even real villains or antagonists but simply innocents pressured by Jimmy to do as he says with his wrath even if Linda and Jerry were both confirmed to be in fact aligned with Jimmy despite his villainy at the end and Porsha and Suki both have a freudian excuse over their own wrongdoings in terms of it coming from to avoid the wrath of Jimmy before they both learn to stand up for him at the end instead of hiding from it because hiding never helps according to Clay and were revealed to be misunderstood loners with hearts of gold with Suki just learning to act honest for necessary reasons rather than tell hurtful lies to get people off her back and have faith in Buster and his friends to protect themselves from Jimmy during her time with Buster and his crew to show much she truly cares while Porsha learns not to act overly emotional even when Buster tells her bad truths because they could lead to even bigger consequences and also act honest about her own problems and self-esteem rather than play the spoiled brat up until then and show the world what she is truly made off.

Porsha and Suki also have gorgeous designs and Halsey and Chelsea Peretti do great jobs voicing them and Porsha's song, "It Could Have Been Me" was great and she and Suki go on great redemption arcs where they learn to stand up to Jimmy for his villainy and break away from him to persuade their own lives and ambitions at the end. Many also consider them to be so much better versions of Judith and Mike from the first Sing movie for shedding all the unlikable habits those characters had in the first movie and have more sympathetic qualities.

Klaus KickenBlober however, isn't any better and is way more unlikable considering the fact that he acts as a overly strict and obnoxious dance coach/choreographer towards Johnny causing the gorilla to lose his confidence with his strict teachings and nagginess (Buster never even sees what a bad dance coach Klaus is and take action towards it by firing him and hiring a new nicer one.) and overwhelms him with it to the point where Johnny briefly loses his temper and breaks his skateboard at one point but he quickly came to regret it before recruiting Nooshy to be his new dance coach. His attitudes also almost convinced Johnny to quit dancing before Nooshy convinces him otherwise. Klaus also assumed that suffering is the only way you can achieve greatness!

(Deja Vu to how Chief Bogo in the Zootopia movies unfairly nags and makes his cops suffer with his strictness just to toughen them up to become the perfectly good cops he wants them to become especially for Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps and while their dysfunctions and partnership were agreeably annoying, it didn't mean that the buffalo had the right to act that harsh on the fox and bunny for it, because emotional support from their close friends like their new ones Gary De' Snake and Nibbles the Beaver turned out to be the solution to their problem, not therapy or strictness.)

Klaus even grew jealous of Nooshy's teachings when after it makes Johnny a far better and more popular dancer in the Planet of War dance fight scene in Out of This World to the point where she steals Ryan's place as a performer and beats down Johnny in order to steal his spotlight and would have gotten away with it if it were not for Nooshy and the other performers encouraging Johnny to stand back up again and defeat Klaus single-handedly in combat. It was satisfying to see Klaus get karma for his actions when Johnny beats him up and Klaus sees the error of his ways and gives the gorilla his most humblest of apologies. Porsha also insults Klaus though intentionally earlier on by calling him a, "Funny looking guy".

Minions: The Rise of Gru (2022): Gru did act unlikable towards the minions at first since he basically fires all of them for one single mistake that Otto committed trading the zodiac stone precious for villains and seeing them as bad and incompetent henchmen when they kinda were not in reality expect for Otto despite Kevin's attempts to convince Gru otherwise and Otto can also sometimes get some hate for his mistake too, compared to the charm and love of the Vicious Six despite refusing Gru into their team simply just for being a "kid" but Gru luckily gets better and reconciles with and rehires the minions at the end though Otto never suffers any harsh consequences for his mistake.

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Note: Moana 2 and The Rescuers Down Under are not included as no Aesop Amnesia happens for the protagonists in those movies nor are the Disney direct-to-video sequels and prequels or DisneyToon Studios movies, just the films that are sequels in the Disney Animated Canon though two are refereed to. (Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin and The Tigger Movie.)

Winnie the Pooh (2011) repeats the same conflict from Pooh’s Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin (1997) about Owl misreading a note left by Christopher Robin saying that he was going out to school for the day and he would by home by afternoon as a distress note over him being kidnapped by a sadistic monster (Skullasaurus, Backson) and him sending Pooh, Piglet, Eeyore, Tigger and Rabbit on a wild goose chase to rescue Christopher and defeat the monster as if Owl and those characters learned nothing from Pooh’s Grand Adventure, expect that Owl this time accompanied Pooh and his friends on their adventure and Roo and Kanga are now involved in the story and take part in the mission too after only being absent in Pooh’s Grand Adventure and is their first time learning from the conflict. (Though Kanga, Roo and Rabbit never bother to read the note and find out what it really said themselves when they are supposed to be the smartest of the protagonists, or better readers than Owl.) Even Tigger believes Owl when he misread the note despite his mistake of misreading the last few words, “We will always be with you,” as “We are coming to see, you tomorrow” since Tiggers read words in between the lines on the letter his friends wrote for him pretending it was from his biological family in “The Tigger Movie” (2000) that he never learned from.

I theorize however that Owl read Christopher’s note correctly in “Pooh’s Grand Adventure” all along and just tricked his friends into assuming that the Skullasaurus caught Christopher and send them on that adventure to the Skull Cave to save him and gave them an inaccurate map to follow as a secret test of character as a trickster mentor to learn their true potential and help Piglet learn that he is braver than he believes, Tigger is stronger than he believes and Rabbit is smarter than he believes and can do things outside of following a book or script and have humility in others’ talents and even when Pooh and Christopher are apart, they will always be together, and despite it happening the hard way, the test worked! Owl also didn’t accompany Pooh and his friends on their adventure to avoid making it easy for them if not the test will all be done for nothing and so that he could send Christopher to their destination to reunite with them so their adventure won’t all be done for nothing when he got home from school and didn’t question Pooh and co.’s absence and blame Owl for it. Owl must have also used magic to make the locations Pooh and his friends endured on their trip look scary and giant, also to make it look hard for them until they disappear after they reunite with Christopher. The Skullasaurus was also all made up. It was also part of the test.

In Winnie the Pooh (2011), Owl misreads the note for real making the whole second act of the movie come off as “the shaggy dog story” since Owl reading the note correctly or asking Kanga, Roo or Rabbit to do it for him and finding Christopher’s true whereabouts would have prevented the rest of the plot of the movie from happening. However, the Backson turned out to be real and Owl misread the note simply because one of the Os in Back Soon was written out crooked due to Christopher’s sloppy writing and misspelling the words making the note say, “Gon Out Bizy Backson” instead of “Gone Out Busy Back Soon” and Owl must have seen the Backson before and due to judging him by his appearance thought that he was a sadistic busy troublemaker but he turned out to be a happy go lucky friendly guy in reality.

Ralph Breaks the Internet: One of the biggest criticisms for the sequel is that it basically all but resets Ralph and Vanellope's characters from the first Wreck-It-Ralph movies and also disregards the lessons taught about "Going Turbo" and gamejumping in the first movie as well as Ralph and Vanellope learning to get accepted into their games despite being a "villain" and a "glitch". It also dumbed down both characters nothing to how they were portrayed in the first movie.

For example, Ralph basically acts overly clingy towards Vanellope like a little kid would which was inaccurate not just because Ralph is a grown-man and Vanellope is a child and Ralph had no overly clingness towards her in the first movie, but Ralph should also have a lot more friends than just Vanellope like Q Bert, Sonic the Hedgehog, the Bad-Anton villains and Felix and the NiceLanders who he just reconciled with at the end of the first movie but he instead treats it like Vanellope is his only friend and if he loses her, he loses everything which isn't like Ralph at all. Also, everyone in the arcade should love Ralph and no longer mistreat him for being a video game antagonist at that point in time after saving Sugar Rush and the arcade from Turbo/King Candy and the Cy-Bugs so Ralph acting clingy towards Vanellope for being the only one who actually believed in him also makes more zero sense.

Also for Vanellope, the whole plot of the first movie was about her trying to regain her position as a racer in Sugar Rush after it was only taken over by King Candy/Turbo and be seen in its crowd as a good guy and not glitch/mistake and also learn to put the needs of others before her own after meeting and befriending Ralph, and sympathizing with his own problems. The sequel basically makes a reversal of Vanellope's character in terms of having her grow bored of Sugar Rush since she found it to be "predictable" and basically abandons it to become a character in "Slaughter Race" instead as if finding going "Turbo" to be the solution to her problem when it wasn't in reality, and she more easily could have just talked with the other Sugar Rush racers and copy their tactics in adjusting to the game despite its predictable environment and basically moves to Slaughter Race without discussing her move with the residents of Sugar Rush or Ralph first and quickly gets angry at Ralph and shuns him for putting the computer virus in Slaughter Race as if her anger truly came from being selfish instead of getting rightfully angry at Vanellope for being overly clingy towards her and childish and immature which was certainly annoying. Vanellope does realize the error of her ways and apologize to and make amends with Ralph at the end, but still goes Turbo even after Ralph does so with her himself.

Sugar Rush also basically gets broken and unplugged because of Ralph and Vanellope's own stupidity because Ralph basically chooses to make the new track for Vanellope during live arcade hours instead of when the arcade closes since he is supposed to be in his game at the time and it got put out of order the last time he wasn't in it and in "Hero's Duty" and gamejumping instead during live arcade hours in the first movie, (Luckily for him, it never happens again.) and Vanellope impatiently tries out the new track while someone is playing with her in the game as an avatar instead of waiting for the arcade to close or for the next person to play the game and a different avatar to try it out. Vanellope also gets away with going Turbo and got what she wanted in terms of moving to Slaughter Race at the end without even facing the consequences.

Frozen II: While Anna, Kristoff and Olaf's character arcs in the first movie are remembered for the sequel, and appear more cautious, wiser and mature while still being themselves, (Kristoff's arc over awkwardly wanting to propose to Anna after building up their romantic relationship over the years was just a side note.) with Anna also knowing Elsa better after helping her control her ice powers and find out why their parents had them isolated and Pabbie erased her memories of Elsa's ice powers from her childhood in the first place, even after Elsa fills Anna in about that offscreen between the events of the first and second Frozen movies, despite her memories of Elsa's ice powers from her childhood still not yet being restored and isn't as naive than she originally was, even after it lead to the fake romance Prince Hans tricked her into and indirectly causing Elsa to start the eternal winter, both of whom almost contributed to her death, Elsa while in better control of her ice powers than in the first movie, does somewhat forget the character development she went on in the first movie where she learns that shutting other people out isn't the solution to protecting them from her uncontrollable ice powers because it just makes them worse and increases her fears and doubt that fuel them and accepting love and care and compassion from her friends and family is the true key in controlling them, because she initially chooses to go on the mission to the Enchanted Forest to lift its curse caused by King Runeard and learn more about how her powers originated in the first place alone to protect Anna and her friends before they convince her to bring them along too out of championship and after coming across the shipwreck where Elsa and Anna's parents met their doom, Elsa out of fear and protection, sends Anna and Olaf away to safety and makes it to the location where the Enchanted Spirits had gathered (Also learning that she is the fifth spirit.) to figure out who started the curse and how to lift it until it gets her frozen and undoes all her snow and ice creations including Olaf until she is brought back and when Anna manages to lift the curse and she also brings Olaf back and though Elsa congratulates Anna for her good deed she eventually decides to stay in the Enchanted Forest and continue her duties as its fifth member and the newly married Anna and Kristoff become the king and queen of Arendelle in Elsa's absence.

Zootopia 2: While Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps have both changed more in the sequel, Nick is now more idealistic, selfless, caring and protective towards Judy and is not as scared or embittered over prejudice as he originally was, while Judy is less naive and reckless and more caring towards Nick and others and takes her job as a cop more morally, their characters were somewhat exaggerated in the sequel out of slight Aesop Amnesia due to Nick still having his old habits of acting cynical, telling jokes some inappropriate as "a common defense mechanism for someone with a traumatic childhood" and not trying to act supportive towards Judy's heroics and ideals and instead sometimes complains and acts pessimistic about them not admitting how much Judy truly means to him in the process, when we thought that Nick would grow as a person, come to care more about Judy, express it and support her more and become more idealistic and get over the scouts incident after helping her solve the savage crisis caused by Dawn Bellwether, somewhat justified over the fact that Judy still didn't tell Nick about her bullying from Gideon Gray and his traumatic childhood came from so much more than just the scouts incident with his aversion for reptiles which he brought up at the reptile hangout that he never brings up again even after he finally opens up to and befriends Gary, having something to do with it and Nick only overcame part of it as the fox wouldn't let one single traumatic experience define who he is that is unrealistic because people in real life if they ever endured it learn to grow out of it. Again, it is also justified over the fact that Judy still didn't tell Nick about her bullying from Gideon Gray as Nick eventually realizes that he crossed the line with his negative behavior in a Jerkass realization after he gets into a silly argument with Judy that destroys the carrot pen and accidentally blunts out the wrong words, that he doesn't care about the case and it isn't worth dying for (He meant to say that he does care about solving the case but it isn't worth losing her to do so because she means the world to him.) causing Judy to leave him to be arrested by the cops to and sent to prison to continue solving the case with PawBert and Gary but have him pardoned when their names are cleared, which leaves Nick remorseful, ashamed and guilty over how he behaved up until then and mistreated Judy insensitively in general and maybe ditching her for her mistake in the press conference in the first movie was never worth it after all, which he explains to Nibbles in prison before they escape to go and rescue Judy and Gary from PawBert and succeed and Nick then admits his wrongdoings to Judy and emotionally apologizes to her and finally gives her a real apology and confession of true love and care and not sympathizing with her own struggles admitting how much he came to care about her in the process and admitted that he pushed his habits of not being made vulnerable and reliving his childhood traumas to its limit after Judy confessed to him about her own bullying from Gideon Gray and fear of being called a dumb bunny and Nick acted more cheerful, idealistic and optimistic, emotionally open, kind, and compassionate towards Judy since then while still being himself.

In Judy's case, while not as sassy, naive and reckless as she originally was, developed a serious habit of having an unhealthy bunny hero complex becoming obsessed with doing heroics and police work to the point where she leaves Nick behind to complete it, and tries to sacrifice herself for when she doesn't need too, and doesn't listen to Nick when he tries to advise her mistaking it as him behaving like his usual annoying cowardly cynical self rather than use common sense and understand what he is really trying to tell her and advise her, and understand how much he truly cares about her and the rest of the world. It is somewhat justified over the fact that Nick still didn't give Judy a real apology for getting off on the wrong foot with her, and basically choose to bail on her for her ignorant, mistake in the press conference without mercy, despite making amends with him for it, and Judy being embittered over still being looked down on by the ZPD, Nick (Unintentionally) and Bogo despite her talent as a cop and wanted to go to such lengths to prove herself and betray Nick and work with PawBert and Gary to do so due to being more in line with her viewpoints, emotionally open and less traumatized by being made vulnerable and prejudice, but eventually started feeling remorse over it, and eventually had her own Jerkass realization for abandoning and not listening to Nick, and giving up on him, rather than support him some more, and not acting honest about her own insecurities and letting her own unhealthy bunny hero complex get the best of her before rushing alongside Nibbles and Gary to stop PawBert, solve his family's conspiracy and clear their names for good.

Judy even goes down the red line pipe despite it warning land mammals not to take it as it could drown them to catch Gary despite Nick and Nibbles telling her no and tries to take the bullet (poison dart) after protecting PawBert and Gary from it which was worthless as the dart wasn't about to hit and kill each other until Nick, Flash and Nibbles arrive in the literal nick of time to deflect the dart back with Flash's car and save her, so much worse than Judy attempting to steal Doug's entire lab of night howlers as evidence for the ZPD instead of just simply taking the serum gun and its briefcase and serum that comes with it that lead to an accident that luckily didn't injure anyone but could have killed her and Nick.

Judy's character was also somewhat justified over the fact that she took her police work and heroics excessively to avoid repeating her greatest failure from the first Zootopia movie over unwillingly worsening the savage crisis with her press conference, letting her guilt over it get the best of her and bailing on her job until learning the truth behind what was making the preds savage, that almost allowed Dawn Bellwether to win and for predators to suffer, though Nick still would have helped stop it by excavating the city's predators from the city and him and his close friends and the preds' prey friends to protect them from the discriminations that Judy and the cops caused and savageness that they were gaining (It came from night howlers which Nick likely knew about at that time.) and would eventually learn of what was really making the preds go savage before the prey could be genocided and this time Judy became focused on solving the Lynxley Conspiracy right away so that reptiles could return to the city and live in peace with the mammals and stop the TundraTown expansion through Marsh Market rather than go into hiding and wait for Bogo to recover to solve the case the easy way and acts bossy and inconsiderate towards Nick when he tries to convince her in a good way or not that she was trying too hard and even goes far as to ditch him to be arrested by the cops for PawBert and Gary since accidentally ruining his relationship with him and not going to reconcile with him sooner was one of the main wrongdoings she committed in the first movie that made her determined not to repeat them in the first place and still hasn't acted honest to Nick about her own emotional insecurities and former fox biases caused by her bullying from Gideon Gray. Judy did show some guilt over leaving Nick but it wasn't enough to convince her to pause the mission to go back and save him since learning the fact that Ebenezer Lynxley actually committed a horrible crime, framed Agnes De' Snake and stole her credit as an inventor and got away with it for a hundred years even after death made her more obsessed with solving the conspiracy than ever. Judy at least took this lesson into consideration at the end when she learns how much Nick truly cares about her and supports her heroics after he breaks out of prison to rescue her, risking his life twice to do so, and PawBert betrays her and Gary and the viper reassures Judy that the fate of the world was never meant to lie entirely in her paws, everyone has a role to play in heroism, and we all face times when villains win and there is disharmony but there will always be heroes to stop it in the future and friends around to help and support her when she is in need of them, moments before he saves the lives of her and Nick. After Nick said his sincerest and truest apologies to Judy for his wrongdoings admitting how much he came to love and care about her in the process, Judy not only apologizes to Nick herself but also finally admits to him her bullying from Gideon Gray and fear of being called a dumb bunny and fox biases developed by that when she talks about suppressing her discomfort and apologizes to him for never telling him about it in the first place and for abandoning him without saying it first and Nick apologizes furthers admitting that he let his fear of being made vulnerable and not relive his childhood traumas that came from so much more than just the scouts incident get before their relationship and the role as a hero he signed up for and vowed to never let it happen again.

Nick also would have offered Judy a bit more help and care in solving the Emmitt Otterton case and later reptile conspiracy if he didn't let his insecurities and fears get the best of him, but he eventually learns to get better. Nick also persisted and fought back against PawBert despite his lies and disbelieved them unlike how Elsa believed Hans when he lied that Anna died quickly from her frozen heart and gave into her despair and allowed Hans to slay her to undo the eternal winter unaware of his villainy before Anna jumps in and saves her in an act of true love that thaws her in the climax of Frozen.

As a minor note, Chief Bogo's character was somewhat reset in the sequel as he is back to being the stubborn, strict and ill tempered by-the-book police chief who antagonizes his cops for not doing things his way, and doesn't even listen to them when they try to convince him otherwise, that he originally was in the first movie but made him a lot more illogically blind than he originally was because he basically gives Nick and Judy the cold shoulder for causing the Antony Snootley chase scene despite the fact that he is the one who started it all by his radio call that he never brings up later on, and Nick and Judy stole not borrowed the hot rod car from the frantic pig to chase Antony with and the property damage was more of the ZPD and Antony's own fault than Nick and Judy's and Judy was just doing what she had to when she had to crash the van into Ebenezer Lynxley's memorial statue since she was unable to break it in time. Bogo also never brings this up and disbelieves Gary's existence and refuses to have Judy, Nick or the ZPD do anything to solve it when Judy had raw evidence in the form of snake skin in front of him to prove it (Which at the end would have allowed the Lynxleys to win.) and basically barks at Nick and Judy for disobeying his orders and for their dysfunctions alongside HogBottom without letting them say what they have to say and understand what they are up against or on to. Also, while he does try to act reasonably towards Nick and Judy by warning Judy that not all cases that change the world and that trying to avoid his traumatic childhood could give him a traumatic adulthood in Nick's case, he misses the fact that the one Judy is interested in can change the city completely and he kinda acted hypocritical towards Nick for not taking things seriously when he does so himself unwillingly for not paying attention to the fox and bunny's ambitions and blackmails them with mandatory therapy to fix the issues in their personalities and relationship when simply individual self reflection and support from their other friends which turned out to be Nibbles and Gary was the solution to their problem in reality and Nick and Judy can't prove to him that they are good partners if they do nothing.

While Nick does manage to prove Gary's existence to Bogo at the Zootennial Gala and the buffalo switches sides and lets Nick and Judy keep their partnership and tries to help them deal with Gary, he unwillingly gets fanged by the viper accidentally setting Nick and Judy up to be framed and for the plot of the movie to happen. Bogo luckily managed to reconcile with Nick and Judy after their names were cleared, their dysfunctions were resolved and all was settled and officially met Gary, apologize to them and allowed them to keep their partnership and work off the field as cops for a week to get rest and recover from their injuries and spend quality time together when resuming his police chief duties before Nick and Judy have their medal ceremony for their heroics in stopping the Lynxley Conspiracy and go out to re-capture the 200 criminals Nick and Nibbles had to release from prison to escape starting with Dawn Bellwether...

Judy apparently didn't learn anything about being careful about certain people she trusts and bonds with even after the incident with Dawn Bellwether was revealed to be the mastermind behind the savage crisis after appearing as an innocent well-intentioned assistant mayor to her at first because she easily trusted PawBert Lynxley when he offered to help her solve the reptile conspiracy with Gary and be a true boyfriend emotionally open to her and idealistic than Nick himself despite choosing to have Nick be left behind to be arrested by the cops when you should never leave a friend behind no matter what, send Gary to get the weather wall book in his place and manipulated both him and Nick during their short time together and at the Zootennial Gala into being themselves more than ever and having Gary steal the weather wall book leading to Nick and Judy further confront their differences to make Judy turn on Nick for PawBert, as well as the times of determination and focus PawBert showed that foreshadowed his true evil nature and Judy continued to see PawBert as the good guy until Nick comes back for her demonstrating his true bravery and care and PawBert betrays her and Gary and reveals his true villainy and manipulations at the weather wall when he poisons her with snake venom and leaves Gary to freeze to death and goes after Nick and Nibbles and rejects her plead at redemption until Nick manages to get Gary who dethawed himself the anti-venom needed to save Judy and temporarily beat PawBert.

Ralph and Anna do at least remember these lessons in Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen II in terms of Anna being more aware of the reality of the world after Prince Hans tricked her into a fake romance in the first Frozen movie and Ralph's distrust towards Shank likely came from both jealousy over Vanellope's friendship from her and note that certain adult racers shouldn't be trusted after what happened with Turbo/King Candy in the first Wreck-It-Ralph that he regrets falling for the manipulations of. Elsa also likely remembered the lesson too but not Vanellope but since she say King Candy as the villain right from the start for forbidding her from racing in Sugar Rush and had her treated like an enemy by its residents and it turned out all to be true with the reveal that he was Turbo at the end.

But Nick did remember this lesson even after being tricked before that by the Junior Ranger Scouts because despite interacting and easily befriending him at the gala offscreen he showed suspicions over him convincing Judy to temporarily forget him and their mission to flirt and talk with him and realized PawBert's true villainy at the HoneyMoon Lounge after he rescues Judy with Gary but leaves him behind to be arrested by the cops when you should never leave a friend behind no matter what and had been manipulating Gary into doing things the hard and not easy way, so he escapes from prison with Nibbles to rescue Judy and Gary from PawBert even after he makes his betrayal and confirms that he is in fact evil and Nick succeeds but nearly risks his life to do so before being saved by Gary and has his reunion and reconciliation with Judy.

PawBert even brings this up in-universe after he poisons Judy and gloats over Judy not showing a single sign of suspicion over his actions thinking that she would act wiser and cautious towards others after what happened with Bellwether in the first movie.

The ZPD in general minus Clawhauser even after everything that happened in the first Zootopia movie, (Higgins, case, for the new characters, like the Zebros, Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Officers Chevre and Bucheron and Bloats it was there first time learning the lesson.) with the missing mammals and savage predators from Mayor Lionheart and Dawn Bellwether and being too incompetent to even solve those cases, figure out the missing mammals' location and predators' savageness coming from night howlers not their biology until Nick and Judy figure it out all on their own, (But with their friends help of course.) end up repeating their mistakes all over again as if learning nothing from the first movie when acting gullible to Milton Lynxley when framing Nick and Judy on Bogo's fanging without having a proper investigation and figuring out the Lynxley's Conspiracy in general ever since Ebenezer Lynxley first framed Agnes De' Snake on the death of the tortoise maid 100 years ago and believed the Lynxleys when they convinced them that they were good and the De' Snake family was bad until Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles finally manage to solve the conspiracy and get these cops punished for slacking at their jobs as cops and committing police brutality when manipulated by Milton to do so with mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby and parking duty probation or probation or a prison sentence, whichever comes last.

Brian Winddancer did also wind up all but repeating Leonardo Lionheart's mistakes from the first Zootopia movie in terms of all but failing his job as mayor for putting his ego before his pride and committing crimes, but he makes amends for it at the end, even if it gets him arrested and removed from office as mayor.

It appeared that the main villains, PawBert, Cattrick, Kitty and Milton had used the Aesop Amnesia of these protagonists to their advantage for their evil plans....

At least Mr. Big and Fru Fru don't suffer from this in the sequel and care for Nick and Judy more than in the first movie despite still acting pushy towards Nick for the skunk butt rug incident that killed Mr. Big's great-grandmama.

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u/Grand-Force-4304 — 20 days ago

Disney Renaissance Era: (1989-1999):

The Little Mermaid (1989), The Rescuers Down Under (1990), Beauty and the Beast (1991), Aladdin (1992), The Lion King (1994), Pocahontas (1995), The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996), Hercules (1997), Mulan (1998) and Tarzan (1999)

My favorite? The Lion King (1994)!

My second and third favorites are Beauty and the Beast (1991) and The Little Mermaid (1989)

Pixar Origins Era: (1995-1999), Toy Story (1995), A Bug's Life (1998) and Toy Story 2 (1999)

My favorite? Toy Story 2 (1999)

My second and third favorites are Toy Story (1995) and A Bug's Life (1998)

Disney Experimental Era (1999-2008): Fantasia 2000, Dinosaur (2000), The Emperor's New Groove (2000), Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001), Lilo and Stitch (2002), Treasure Planet (2002), Brother Bear (2003), Home on the Range (2004), Chicken Little (2005), The Wild (2006), Met the Robinsons (2007), Bolt (2008)

My favorite? Lilo and Stitch (2002)

My second and third favorites are The Emperor's New Groove (2000) and Bolt (2008)

Pixar Golden Age (2001-2010): Monsters' Inc. (2001), Finding Nemo (2003), The Incredibles (2004), Cars (2006), Ratatouille (2007), Wall-E (2008), Up (2009) and Toy Story 3 (2010)

My favorite? Wall-E (2008)!

My second, third and fourth favorites are Toy Story 3, Monsters' Inc. and Finding Nemo

Disney Revival Era (2009-future): The Princess and the Frog (2009), Tangled (2010), Winnie the Pooh (2011), Wreck-It-Ralph (2012), Big Hero 6 (2014), Zootopia (2016), Ralph Breaks the Internet (2018), Frozen II (2019), Raya and the Last Dragon (2021), Encanto (2021), Strange World (2022), Wish (2023), Moana 2 (2024), Zootopia 2 (2025), Hexed (2026) and Frozen III (2027)

My favorite? Zootopia (2016)!

My second, third and fourth favorites are Zootopia 2 (2025), Wreck-It-Ralph (2012) and Frozen (2013)

Pixar Experimental Era (2011-2019): Cars 2 (2011), Brave (2012), Monsters' University (2013), Inside Out (2015), The Good Dinosaur (2015), Finding Dory (2016), Cars 3 (2017), Coco (2017), The Incredibles 2 (2018) and Toy Story 4 (2019)

My favorite? Coco (2017)!

My second, third and fourth favorites are Inside Out, Finding Dory and The Good Dinosaur

Pixar Revival Era (2020-future): Onward (2020), Soul (2020), Luca (2021), Turning Red (2022), Lightyear (2022), Elemental (2023), Inside Out 2 (2024), Elio (2025), Hoppers (2026) and Toy Story 5 (2026)

My favorite? Elemental (2023)!

My second, third and fourth favorites are Soul, Luca and Inside Out 2

Elemental (2023) - IMDb"/>My favorite Pixar Era is the Golden Age (2001-2010) obviously and my favorite Disney Era is the Disney Renaissance Era, (1989-1999) obviously though I also love the Revival Era (2009-future)

What's your favorite one of these eras? And what's your favorite animated movie from each of them and what are your second and third favorite ones? Leave your replies in the comments below.

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u/Grand-Force-4304 — 20 days ago