u/HermanThaGerman

▲ 42 r/OkBuddySnyderCult+1 crossposts

People are so wrong about batfleck and cavill's superman.

People seriously underrate Man of Steel and Henry Cavill’s Superman because they judge the movie off TikTok clips and bad-faith summaries instead of what actually happens in the film.

First of all, Cavill’s Superman is heavily inspired by modern Superman comics, especially Superman: Earth One. That version of Clark is more isolated, more unsure of where he belongs, and has to navigate a realistic world that fears him. He is not the perfect smiling Boy Scout from page one, and neither was Cavill’s version. (even though as clark kent when hes not being harassed hes happy and smiling.) The movie is literally about Clark learning who he is and deciding what kind of man he wants to become.

People also act like this Superman never saves anyone, which is just objectively false. He saves workers on the oil rig, saves children on the bus as a kid, saves soldiers, saves civilians throughout the Smallville battle, and there is literally an entire montage in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice showing him helping people around the world. He even stands up for a woman getting harassed at a bar before he ever becomes Superman publicly. The idea that he “doesn’t care about people” only works if you ignore half the movie.

And the destruction in Metropolis being blamed entirely on Superman makes no sense if you actually watch the movie carefully. General Zod was intentionally trying to cause destruction and kill civilians out of spite because Clark chose Earth over Krypton. Even when Superman takes the fight into space, Zod destroys a satellite and sends it crashing back toward Earth. He wanted chaos. He wanted Clark emotionally overwhelmed.

Could Superman have handled some things better? Sure. But this was literally his first day as Superman while fighting trained Kryptonian soldiers and stopping a world invasion. For a day-one Superman with no experience fighting beings equal to him, he did the best he could while trying to save as many people as possible.

People also say “Superman would never kill,” but even that is more complicated than fans pretend. There are comic storylines where Superman kills in extreme situations and is emotionally destroyed afterward. In the movie, after killing Zod, Clark literally screams in pain because he hated having to do it. The film clearly treats it as traumatic, not heroic.

Now moving to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Batfleck:

Ben Affleck’s Batman is honestly one of the most comic-accurate live-action Batman portrayals in terms of appearance, combat style, intimidation, detective experience, and overall presence. He looks like Batman straight out of a graphic novel: massive build, short ears, armored but still agile, and visually inspired by The Dark Knight Returns.

His fighting style is probably the closest we’ve ever gotten to comic Batman. He uses:

- grappling

- counters

- environmental attacks

- martial arts

- gadgets

- stealth

- brutal efficiency

The warehouse fight alone is more comic accurate than almost any Batman action sequence before it.

People criticize him for killing, which is fair because Batman traditionally should not kill. But if killing completely ruins a Batman adaptation for someone, then they also have to criticize versions like Michael Keaton’s Batman and even Christian Bale’s Batman, because those versions killed too. Bale literally tackles Ra’s al Ghul onto a crashing train and says, “I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you.” Keaton strapped bombs to people and blew them up.

Batfleck’s killing is not portrayed as a good thing either. The entire point of his arc is that he is broken, angry, and consumed by years of trauma and violence after Robin’s death and the destruction caused during Superman’s fight with Zod. He is a Batman who lost his way. That is why Superman’s sacrifice matters so much to him later.

You do not have to personally prefer Snyder’s interpretation, but acting like these movies have “nothing to do with Superman or Batman” just is not true. They are heavily inspired by specific comic runs and tell a darker, more mythological version of these characters instead of the classic lighter interpretations.

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u/Born_Welcome_3590 — 6 days ago