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Before i ramble on, first I need to say that I am not a snyder cultist, I dont think snyder is the greatest director oat I js really like some movies of his, (i also hate some movies of his." and I like the dcu......kinda. If you want me to expanded on that i will. But my reasons for liking man of steel ALOT is that It looks amazing, I mean the visuals are unmatched, the first flight scene is absolute cinema, and the hans zimmer score is perfect. But your probably saying the film sucked because of the character, which.......i dont understand. As clark sure he has some sad scenes, but that makes him human. Every human on this planet has days that they feel like shit, and everything's gone wrong, but instead if becoming a horrible person he stays normal. All the scenes where hes not being harrased hes happy. When hes talking to his mom hes smiling, when hes with lois hes smiling, hes not always sad, and clark is allowed to be sad sometimes thats a human emotion, if he was always smiling and never worried, never cried, never felt like shit, he wouldn't be human. And the final battle probably takes alot of people out of the movie but hear me out. Most of the destruction was zods fault, think about it. Most of the people that died and most of the bulidings that were destroyed were because of the giant death machines, and zod throwing Superman into bulidings. And the argument that clark should've tooken the fight somewhere else is a fair argument but it doesnt really make sense, this isn't dragon ball the villan has no honor and wont agree to fight somewhere else, this version of zod was a legit menace he knew what he was doing, and my argument for that is that clark literally took the fight to space.........he did and guess what zod did, he grabbed a satellite and threw it completely missing zod I mean that motherfucker didn't even try to hit clark, and that satellite probably killed a few hundred-thousand people. And before you put the gif of clark jumping over a truck and letting it explode a buliding, Clark didnt do it because hes an asshole hes js stupid. After he jumps over it and it explodes he turns around completely ignoring zod and looks at the damage like "......Fuck." He didnt do it with bad intentions hes js a moron which makes sense since its his first day on the job. And the movie js makes me feel good idk, thats not even an argument I js really like it. After clark says "Glad to be here lois." And smiles and it cuts to black and the theme song plays, I legit get up and start clapping. I do think they absolutely fucked him up in bvs I cannot STAND that movie. I really like batfleck in that movie but its hard to watch when superman does the shit he does in that movie.

If your gonna flame me, be nice.

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I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I didn't know where else to post it.

I've been going through a rough season where, after a long day, I sit down and think, "Damn... I have to do this all over again tomorrow." It's about to get even busier with training almost every day and some other stuff I'd rather not get into.

I care about my health, so I don't want to start vaping, smoking, or anything like that. I really like music, so maybe there's something relaxing I could do while listening to it.

What do you guys do to unwind after a mentally exhausting day?

I'm just looking for a healthy way to decompress.

I've been thinking about Superman (2025) and man of steel.

I’ve been thinking a lot about the climax of Superman (2025) and the debates around how James Gunn handles Superman's morality versus how Zack Snyder handled it in Man of Steel. When you look at the actual context of both movies and the source material, there is a MASSIVE double standard in how the fanbase judges these two versions of Clark.

First off, both of these supermen are VERY flawed, but what pisses me off is that everyone only talks about Cavill's Superman flaws, and not cornswets Superman's flaws, so I will.

Cavill Killing Zod Was Handled Great Because It’s Comic Accurate. Let me explain.

Gunn fans (and Snyder haters in general, but this post is directed mostly to gunn fans because they talk the most shit.) Love to criticize Henry Cavill’s Superman for snapping General Zod’s neck, but Zack Snyder actually handled this moment beautifully because it is ripped straight from the comic book source material.

In the famous 1988 "Supergirl Saga" (Superman #22), Clark is forced to execute Zod and his Kryptonian partners with Green Kryptonite because they are an unstoppable threat who already wiped out a planet. In that comic, Superman openly cries tears of anguish while doing it and walks away completely broken, leading to severe PTSD and self-exile. Cavill's version honored that exact emotional consequence. When he is forced to kill Zod to save a family, he falls to his knees, screams in pain, and cries because he hated having to do it. It treats the act as deeply traumatic, not heroic, which is entirely faithful to how Superman handles taking a life in the comics.

Corenswet’s Superman Handed Out an Eternal Damnation (Very Comic Inaccurate)

Now look at David Corenswet’s Superman in the 2025 movie. He throws Ultraman into a collapsing black hole inside Lex's pocket dimension facility. Now i dont know if this will kill him, but if it doesnt, it just leaves him trapped there permanently.

Think about how messed up that actually is. Superman essentially condemned Ultraman to an eternal, isolating hell. What makes it even darker is that Ultraman isn't a seasoned warlord like Zod, he is an imperfect, creation who was controlled by Lex Luthor's tech team using combat codes (like "1A!"). Ultraman didn't do it out of free will, he didn't hate clark like zod hated Cavill’s clark, yet Superman gave him a sentence of unending cosmic torture.

In Superman’s mind during that climax, he believed he was executing a final, lethal move to stop a weapon, yet he showed absolutely zero emotional fallout afterward. Not feeling bad at all is a very comic-inaccurate thing for Superman. To make it even worse, James Gunn completely shifts the tone right after, turning a horrific eternal punishment into a joke with punchy, lighthearted banter between Superman and Mr. Terrific.

And i know what everyone is gonna say. "But Cavill's Superman killed thousands of people in the final fight with Zod in Man of Steel."

But if you actually watch the movie carefully, blaming the destruction entirely on Superman makes absolutely no sense. General Zod was a trained military warlord who was intentionally trying to cause maximum destruction and slaughter civilians out of pure spite because Clark chose Earth over Krypton. Even when Superman successfully takes the fight into space to get it away from the city, Zod literally destroys a satellite and sends it crashing back toward Earth just to force the fight back down. Zod wanted chaos, and he wanted Clark emotionally overwhelmed.

Could Superman have handled some things better? Sure. But this was literally his first day on the job. He had zero experience fighting beings with equal powers, yet he was tasked with stopping a global alien invasion and fighting off trained soldiers. For a day-one hero with no experience fighting beings equal to him, he did the absolute best he could while trying to save as many people as possible.

It is completely hypocritical to give Gunn’s Superman a pass for lightheartedness while criticizing Snyder's version for being too dark. Snyder's Clark showed a foundational, comic-accurate empathy by mourning the enemy he had to kill. Gunn's Clark sent a mindless lab creation to an eternal prison, didn't give a crap, and cracked jokes minutes later.

If we are going to talk about which version respects Superman's moral compass, Corenswet's Clark brushing off an eternal punishment is far more jarring than Cavill's Clark breaking down in tears on day one.

Ik im gonna get flamed, but at least flame me nicely plz.

Are there any songs with the same vibe as something in the way by nirvana and waste by KXLLSWXTCH? I have yet to find any songs with that same dark gloomy brooding vibe if you know some songs like that put me on

I js want yalls opinion please be respectful and that's about it.🙂

People seriously underrate Man of Steel and Henry Cavill’s Superman because they judge the movie off TikTok clips and bad-faith summaries instead of what actually happens in the film.

First of all, Cavill’s Superman is heavily inspired by modern Superman comics, especially Superman: Earth One. That version of Clark is more isolated, more unsure of where he belongs, and has to navigate a realistic world that fears him. He is not the perfect smiling Boy Scout from page one, and neither was Cavill’s version. (even though as clark kent when hes not being harassed hes happy and smiling.) The movie is literally about Clark learning who he is and deciding what kind of man he wants to become.

People also act like this Superman never saves anyone, which is just objectively false. He saves workers on the oil rig, saves children on the bus as a kid, saves soldiers, saves civilians throughout the Smallville battle, and there is literally an entire montage in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice showing him helping people around the world. He even stands up for a woman getting harassed at a bar before he ever becomes Superman publicly. The idea that he “doesn’t care about people” only works if you ignore half the movie.

And the destruction in Metropolis being blamed entirely on Superman makes no sense if you actually watch the movie carefully. General Zod was intentionally trying to cause destruction and kill civilians out of spite because Clark chose Earth over Krypton. Even when Superman takes the fight into space, Zod destroys a satellite and sends it crashing back toward Earth. He wanted chaos. He wanted Clark emotionally overwhelmed.

Could Superman have handled some things better? Sure. But this was literally his first day as Superman while fighting trained Kryptonian soldiers and stopping a world invasion. For a day-one Superman with no experience fighting beings equal to him, he did the best he could while trying to save as many people as possible.

People also say “Superman would never kill,” but even that is more complicated than fans pretend. There are comic storylines where Superman kills in extreme situations and is emotionally destroyed afterward. In the movie, after killing Zod, Clark literally screams in pain because he hated having to do it. The film clearly treats it as traumatic, not heroic.

Now moving to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Batfleck:

Ben Affleck’s Batman is honestly one of the most comic-accurate live-action Batman portrayals in terms of appearance, combat style, intimidation, detective experience, and overall presence. He looks like Batman straight out of a graphic novel: massive build, short ears, armored but still agile, and visually inspired by The Dark Knight Returns.

His fighting style is probably the closest we’ve ever gotten to comic Batman. He uses:

- grappling

- counters

- environmental attacks

- martial arts

- gadgets

- stealth

- brutal efficiency

The warehouse fight alone is more comic accurate than almost any Batman action sequence before it.

People criticize him for killing, which is fair because Batman traditionally should not kill. But if killing completely ruins a Batman adaptation for someone, then they also have to criticize versions like Michael Keaton’s Batman and even Christian Bale’s Batman, because those versions killed too. Bale literally tackles Ra’s al Ghul onto a crashing train and says, “I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you.” Keaton strapped bombs to people and blew them up.

Batfleck’s killing is not portrayed as a good thing either. The entire point of his arc is that he is broken, angry, and consumed by years of trauma and violence after Robin’s death and the destruction caused during Superman’s fight with Zod. He is a Batman who lost his way. That is why Superman’s sacrifice matters so much to him later.

You do not have to personally prefer Snyder’s interpretation, but acting like these movies have “nothing to do with Superman or Batman” just is not true. They are heavily inspired by specific comic runs and tell a darker, more mythological version of these characters instead of the classic lighter interpretations.