r/DC_Cinematic

Superman Is a flop
Peacemaker was a flop
Supergirl was dreadful
Creature commandos was irrelevant
It’s like no matter what’s being put out it’s going to get hated on and that no one in this sub like anything but Batman. If the DCU died today and another reboot was in place the same stuff will happen again. Y’all are never happy or satisfied and never will be it’s like a grifter sub at this point.

>Elsewhere at the domestic box office, “Supergirl” endured a tragic 74% decline with $9.6 million from 3,602 screens in its sophomore outing. Rivals believe the final weekend number will be lower when estimates are officially tallied on Monday.

If Supergirl had been a critical and financial success, nobody would be upset that Gunn made it the second movie.

If Batman Brave & The Bold came out tomorrow and was bad, everyone would complain it was rushed and nobody would be happy that it came out the year after Superman.

The ONLY thing anyone should care about is whether the movie is good.

If Clayface is good it won’t matter that “nobody cares about Clayface.” Because they will after seeing the movie.

If the Jimmy Olsen/Grodd show is good, it won’t matter that “nobody cares about Jimmy Olsen.” Because they will after seeing the show.

Also all of these complaints about them “not focusing on the big characters” are ignoring the big Zack Snyder shaped elephant in the room: all of the big characters were done very recently and had giant flops that nobody liked.

The Flash was a flop.

Wonder Woman 1984 was a flop.

Aquaman 2 was a flop.

Shazam 2 was a flop.

Black Adam was a flop.

Justice League itself… was a flop.

You can’t follow up a terrible Flash movie that bombed at the box office with another Flash movie a few years later. Same thing with Wonder Woman. Same thing with The Justice League itself.

If you want people to be excited for a Justice League movie after 2017’s disaster you need to make sure they’ve bought into the universe and characters first. Given that, it makes sense not to immediately announce a Justice League movie this early on.

Meanwhile Batman has the opposite problem. The Batman is a beloved critical darling and a huge hit created by an auteur with a very specific vision that doesn’t fit in a shared universe. Anything they do with Batman will draw comparisons so it makes sense to come at it sideways with villains first.

And then if you look at the big characters they ARE adapting it starts to make a lot of sense.

Superman you can do because Man of Steel was 12 years ago and Cavill’s Superman has been effectively out of the public consciousness since 2017 (Snydercut and weird Black Adam cameo aside).

Lanterns you can do because the Green Lantern movie was 15 years ago (and notice we got no Lantern content in the DCEU and that they’re doing a lower stakes show with the property instead of a movie… they’re clearly still gun-shy).

Supergirl, meanwhile, had a recent success with the CW show, so it’s not like she was a fully untested property.

Clayface, again, has the Batman connection and is such a low budget that it’s basically easy money.

Peacemaker retains the one remaining shining spot from the old universe and repositions him in the new universe.

Jimmy Olsen and Mr Terrific were both breakout characters from Superman 2025 and lend themselves to TV spin-offs (plus the Olsen show by introducing Grodd gives them a side-door in to introducing The Flash’s world without doing a movie, similar to Clayface and Batman).

The plan is solid, one misstep doesn’t destroy the entire plan, and I think everyone needs to chill and be patient.

We’ll get to Batman, we’ll get to Wonder Woman. I for one am happy Gunn and his team are willing to explore lesser known characters.

A writer who has basically no writing experience was hired to write the script for a huge movie based on a book that she has now gone on record admitting that she didn’t even understand.

How is that the type of person that you hire to write your Supergirl movie? How is this the script that was given the thumbs up to greenlight?

Yes, Ana Noguiera did a poor job adapting Woman of Tomorrow and has hilariously admitted to completely misinterpreting the ENDING OF THE STORY. She obviously deserves a lot of blame, and the criticisms fans have with her script are fair.

But to me James Gunn deserves even more blame. Who hires someone with basically no writing experience for a blockbuster film? He claims that every script for the DCU is always going through comprehensive quality control, and he claims to be a huge fan of the story that he hired someone who didn’t even UNDERSTAND the story to write an adaptation for. Which he gave the thumbs up.

Like many fans, I was very disappointed to see such a special story be butchered the way it was, and I was obviously very frustrated with Noguiera’s lack of ability as a writer and her lack of comprehension when it comes to the original source material.

But I think James Gunn has disappointed me even more in this situation because he is the creative boss of the dcu and basically LET this happen.

Does anybody else feel similarly?