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Curious to know, considering that before his passing, he already seemed to be interested in doing the increased shift to a nu metal-influenced direction, that the band ended up doing anyway with Hernida. And there was also a lot of speculation about some severe damage to his vocal chords, considering how different his unclean vocals started sounding during his last couple of concerts with SS. What do y'all think though?

Doesn't have to be from a specific franchise. Be they be derived from comics, movies, video games or television shows. I'm curious to know, because I feel like metalcore is one of those genres that's both one of the more mainstream metal subgenres and still pretty niche ironically, with only a handful of bands breaking into the cultural zeitgeist.

Like, the kind of bands in the scene whom everyone can mutually agree on as being great musicians, even if they're not a fan of the genre they belong to. Kind of like how grunge bands like Nirvana, The Smashing Pumpkins and Alice In Chains are universally adored by many even outside of the niche of the grunge community. Or how bands like Radiohead, The Strokes, Deftones and System Of A Down are widely adored as great bands even in mainstream circles outside of their nu metal/indie rock/alt rock niches.

For instance, the frontman might not have the most vocal range or have the most impressive unclean vocals, but the instrument work by the other band members is god-tier. Or the band's instrumentals might be by-the-numbers or not that impressive, but the vocalists sing like literal angels.

They were responsible for producing banger after banger records in their whole discography, being the kind of band that did the style of corny, theatrical and over-the-top music pretty damn well. And then as the 2020s arrived, their output gradually slowed down, they're confined to only mostly producing new material that serve as tie-ins to pre-existing licensed media and a new LP is nowhere in sight. And their horror gimmick seems to have worn out it's appeal on quite a number of listeners and fans. What's the exact reason behind this?

Examples of such bands:

Issues

Bilmuri

Bad Omens

The Plot In You

Electric Callboy

Windwaker

Novelists

Dayseeker

Bring Me The Horizon (2010s era/POST HUMAN: Nex Gen era)

A Day To Remember (2000s-2010s era)

Always thought they were incredibly underrated and their discography incredibly consistent, alongside bands like Killwhitneydead ngl. Does anyone else remember them?

All awesome bands ngl, but from what I've seen, the first seven bands mentioned above have been alternatively referred to as post-hardcore or metalcore. Whereas the latter four bands have been called both progressive metalcore and deathcore by different people.

Also, are there any other bands that overlap between different genres like the ones mentioned in this list?

(This is just for fun discussion and not meant to circlejerk over which band or subgenre is better or not, btw)

There's room for 90s metallic hardcore fans. There's room for melodic metalcore fans. There's also room for electronicore, scenecore and revivalcore fans. Even for other genres like deathcore and post-hardcore. Most of the people here seem like surprisingly empathetic, politically aware people that are more likely to call out problematic behavior or hold questionable individuals in the scene accountable. It's a pretty welcoming space for fans and bands from social minority groups. And any weirdo that gets a bit too sus or spews out problematic BS is either downvoted or mocked to oblivion.

The subreddit isn't immune to issues that befall other Reddit communities admittedly and it does sanewash some worrying individuals that continue to be actively problematic, but I do like how for the most part, there isn't THAT much gatekeeping or enabling of questionable behavior and the only real kind of music universally hated in this place is Octanecore drivel or TikTokcore-styled BS made by the likes of transphobic 40 year olds. And even if bands do change genres and move away from metalcore music, the community is willing to give them a chance as long as the music itself they make remains good. Bring Me The Horizon and Hundredth, for instance.

To sum it up, there are worse places to be on Reddit than r/metalcore. And honestly? That's not a bad achievement, lol.

Anytime I see discourse about DC movies in places like r/DC_Cinematic or r/boxoffice, they seem to pray that every DC project tanks and even if it does well and literally gets a sequel greenlit like 2025's Superman, somehow there will still be some bizzare form of toxic copium or whataboutism regarding the project's success and whether the DC brand is gone for good 💀

Like, what's going on with those other subs???

For context, here's a list of some groups or projects that I found to be consistently peak artists from the various eras of deathcore, with back-to-back bangers in their discography and zero skips in any of their albums:

Through The Eyes Of The Dead

The Red Chord

Despised Icon

The Acacia Strain

Carnifex

Whitechapel

Fit For An Autopsy

The Red Shore

Shadow Of Intent

Darko US

Angelmaker

Acrania

Rose Funeral

Spite

Humanity's Last Breath

Black Tongue

Peacemaker FL

Bodysnatcher

Psycho-Frame

Elysia

Salt The Wound

Methwitch

Crown Magnetar

All Shall Perish (fuck Hernan Hernida as a person though)

What would be your personal choices of the best bands from the various eras of deathcore?

2000s scene OGs like Chelsea Grin, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black, Deadwater Drowning, Glass Casket, Impending Doom, ABACABB, Killwhitneydead, With Blood Comes Cleansing, Molotov Solution and The Crimson Armada?

Big-name or acclaimed artists from the 2010s scene like Make Them Suffer, Infant Annihilator, Signs Of The Swarm, Brand Of Sacrifice, Enterprise Earth, Thy Art Is Murder, A Wake In Providence, Oceano and Rings Of Saturn?

Or the bands from the newer 2020s era, especially with the new wave of MySpace deathcore revival bands like Rev3rent, Lilith's Demise, Slamwich, Katywentmissing, Destroy All Humans, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Larcenia Roe, Tracheotomy, Amulet, 9 Dead and Killing Of A Sacred Deer?

Let's put a couple of examples of some bands that made consistent bangers in that era and whom I think were amongst the genre's peak, for the sake of context:

Alesana

The Bled

Silverstein

Fear Before The March Of Flames

From Autumn To Ashes

Drop Dead Gorgeous

Circa Survive

Alexisonfire

The Receiving End Of Sirens

The Blood Brothers

Chiodos

Funeral For A Friend

Lower Definition

A Static Lullaby

Hopes Die Last

Eyes Set To Kill

Tides Of Man

Thrice

Thursday

Glassjaw

As Cities Burn

Scary Kids Scaring Kids

Underoath

Of Machines (technically cheating, but they were so good)

The Fall Of Troy

Saosin

Blessthefall

I See Stars

We all know how much of an impact the 90s era of metallic hardcore has had on the scene. Not to mention, the devoted cult following this particular era of metalcore seems to have garnered over the years, to the point of influencing more than a few bands from the recent revivalcore wave.

Question is though, which of them is the genre at it's peak? Not just in terms of factors like popularity or influence, but also the quality of their discography, their instrumentation, lyricism, etc. Which particular 90s metalcore band truly had it all, according to you? Which of them deserves the honor of being the poster boy of probably THE most acclaimed and beloved era of metalcore?

Here's some contenders of the many bands from that era to help bring things into perspective:

ZAO

EARTH CRISIS

DISEMBODIED

INTEGRITY

CONVERGE

RINGWORM

SNAPCASE

HOPESFALL

OVERCAST

SHAI HULUD

MORNING AGAIN

PRAYER FOR CLEANSING

UNDYING

CATHARSIS

BOTCH

DEADGUY

SKYCAMEFALLING

CAVE IN

ALL OUT WAR

KISS IT GOODBYE

Let's put an end to the circlejerking around the dead horse argument of "oNLY xYz eRa wAs tHe bESt eRa Of tHiS gEnre", by shouting out some overlooked gems within the different eras of the metalcore scene! Not every band blew up to the fame and success of BMTH, MIW, Bad Omens or Spiritbox, but these overlooked OGs showed that you didn't need to, in order to be a genuinely kick-ass band. Something that hasn't changed over the decades, regardless of whether the hottest band in the contemporary scene is either Hatebreed, Killswitch Engage, Architects or Boundaries.

Lemme start with my own list of some overlooked bands:

**THE 2000s**

Evergreen Terrace

The Bled

Darkest Hour

Himsa

Duck Duck Goose

Adestria

From Autumn To Ashes

On Broken Wings

Unearth

Shadows Fall

Drowningman

Oh, Sleeper

**THE 2020s**

No Cure

Anvilchandelier

Inertia

Orthodox

Elwood Stray

VCTMS

Mugshot

Ballista

Whispers

Staining The Twilight Black

What's your own list of bands? Be it from the 90s, 2000s, 2010s or the roaring 20s?

Post-hardcore, deathcore, metalcore and even their adjacent genres like skramz or emoviolence. It's all genuinely so fucking good. I know people have their opinions and differing takes on these genres, but each of them genuinely have so many peak bands ngl. One moment we have 90s metallic hardcore with bands like Shai Hulud or Ringworm or Integrity. And then the next, we have bands like Despised Icon, Salt The Wound or The Red Chord. And in the modern era, we seem to be having a great surge of newer bands that are just as peak, like Boundaries, No Cure, Counterparts and Wristmeetrazor.

Even the more poppy, less heavier and abrasive subgenres of such bands have produced so many legit bangers, with the likes of Blessthefall, Silverstein, Alesana and Circa Survive. You just can't seem to go wrong with either of them. And I both love it and am genuinely thankful for having discovered this stacked world of music ngl. How do you feel about core genres, though? And what would be your favorite of the bunch?

Post-hardcore, deathcore, metalcore and even their adjacent genres like skramz or emoviolence. It's all genuinely so fucking good. I know people have their opinions and differing takes on these genres, but each of them genuinely have so many peak bands ngl. One moment we have 90s metallic hardcore with bands like Shai Hulud or Ringworm or Integrity. And then the next, we have bands like Despised Icon, Salt The Wound or The Red Chord. And in the modern era, we seem to be having a great surge of newer bands that are just as peak, like Boundaries, No Cure, Counterparts and Wristmeetrazor.

Even the more poppy, less heavier and abrasive subgenres of such bands have produced so many legit bangers, with the likes of Blessthefall, Silverstein, Alesana and Circa Survive. You just can't seem to go wrong with either of them. And I both love it and am genuinely thankful for having discovered this stacked world of music ngl. How do you feel about core genres, though? And what would be your favorite of the bunch?

Just a list of some notable examples:

Prayer For Cleansing (Between The Buried And Me)

Deadwater Drowning (Fit For An Autopsy, Through The Eyes Of The Dead, The Red Chord, The Acacia Strain)

Dance Gavin Dance (Royal Coda, A Lot Like Birds, Emarosa, Isles & Glaciers, Gold Necklace, Sianvar, Secret Band)

Every Time I Die (The Damned Things, Better Lovers)

Saosin (Circa Survive, The Sound Of Animals Fighting)

From First To Last (If I Die First)

Counterparts (END)

Thursday (United Nations, No Devotion)

Seeyouspacecowboy (Staining The Twilight Black, Anvilchandelier, Buriedbutstillbreathing)

Overcast (Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage)

Alexisonfire (City & Colour)

7 Angels 7 Plagues (Misery Signals)

Of Mice & Men definitely made a notable impact in the metalcore scene in the early 2010s with two great first records in their self-titled debut and The Flood.

A case can be made however for Bilmuri being the superior project spun off of AA, with how much more consistent the musical quality of Johnny's solo discography is. OM&M on the other hand, seem to have had more ups and downs in their musical quality, even with Aaron Pauley from Jamie's Elsewhere doing an admirable job at continuing the band without Carlile after his sex creep allegations and medical condition escalated to a worrying point.

As for Beartooth, they definitely peaked at Disgusting and have been quite by-the-numbers for the most part, even if I do appreciate how scandal-free and relatively unproblematic of a guy Caleb has been and how he's overcome his past mental struggles.

Eitherway, what do you guys think is the superior musical offshoot from AA? Or do you prefer the OG band itself over their successors?

It's Pride Month, boys, gals and non-binary pals! So, here's some banger emo/metalcore/post-hardcore/screamo bands with LGBTQ members you should check out and could support:

If I Die First (fronted by a bisexual man)

Ballista (fronted by a trans woman)

Dying Wish (a revivalcore band with queer members; also outspoken on political issues)

Botch (their bassist is openly gay)

Born Of Osiris (Cameron Losch: the band's sole remaining founding member is into dudes)

No Cure (their guitarist is a trans chick)

Thursday (Steve Pedulla is an openly gay dude)

Dreamwell (a band with mix of trans and non-binary members)

RIOTNINE (trans-fronted screamo band; disbanded in 2024)

Nuvolascura (queer screamo band fronted by a female vocalist)

Foxtails (another queer screamo/skramz band, with non-binary and trans members)

Seeyouspacecowboy (fronted by a trans woman, some of their members are queer dudes and support leftist ideals; split up back in 2025)

The Callous Daoboys (one of their members is non-binary)

Also, who are your own personal favorite queer bands/musicians? Do share!