u/Historyp91

So, in the final season of Enterprise we have two references to similar death counts, one in relation to the Eugenics Wars, and the other in relation to that start of World War III and tied as well to the issue of eugenics.

First is this:

ARCHER: The official number was thirty million. Some historians say it was closer to thirty five.

(in reference to the casualties from the Eugenics Wars)

Earth's third world war begins over the issue of genetic manipulation and human genome enhancement. Colonel Philip Green leads a faction of ultra-violent eco-terrorists resulting in 37 million deaths

(from the USS Defiant library computer)

Now, my reading would be as follows:

• A) it's unlikely the Enterprise writers used such a similar number, in both cases linked to a war fought over the issue of eugenics and twice in the same season, and intended there to not be a relation (especially considering Enterprise *also* makes it a point to establish Green as having strong views in favor of eugenics)
• B) that Archer saying "some historians say closer to 35 million" (relative to 30 million) matches pretty firmly with a statement of 37 million a century later, since it seems logical that those historians he mention would have hashed out a precise number eventually (37, of course, is indeed closer to 35 then 30 is), or that Archer would even have to be referring to the only historical contention that exists regarding the numbers.

But this is being heavily disputed yesterday in another conversation, where the reasoning is (in part) that Archer is saying 35 is the maximum number and the death tolls are firmly different enough to mark two separate events, and thus Enterprise was making the argument, very clearly, that the two wars were different conflicts.

What's the general vibe here? Were the writers intending Green's terror campaign at the start of an eugenics-provoked World War III to be linked to the Eugenics Wars*, or intending them to be totally separate? Is it invalid to read it as the former?

*perhaps Green's terror campaign was carried out with the backing of the Augment-ruled nations, and when this was uncovered it provoked the larger global conflict, and the Eugenics Wars thus (in keeping with Pike's comments in the series premier of SNW) evolved into what was later known as World War III (perhaps it's even that Green's campaign was the "Second Civil War" Pike mentions in that same speech)

So I've spent the day having a discussion with somewhere on this subreddit who claims that, among other things, it's been stated in Trek canon "multiple times" World War III and the Eugenics Wars are different conflicts.

I'm not aware of anything in the actual canon stating this, and he's not being forthcoming in providing info but instead just providing stuff that is his own personal reading of things

Basically (in brief, it's actually much more convoluted then this, but this seems to be the core basis he's building the argument off of) his argument amounts to that TOS says there the same, but TNG by moving WW3 forward but later referencing Space Seed means the 1990s date given by Spock was still meant to be taken as correct and not be viewed as retconned*, so this means there separate conflicts, and later shows made this more explicit because when people say "World War III" nobody ever corrects them by saying "you mean the Eugenics Wars?" (or vice versa)

As an aside, in the series premier when Pike gives his speech to the Kiley, he's clearly saying the Eugenics Wars and World War 3 are the same conflict, right? Because this guy is saying it's explicit he's saying there different wars and his wording his more that it's like someone describing the 100 Years War. That's pretty clearly not what it seems to me but maybe I'm going crazy

*I'm not actually sure this person actually grasps what a retcon is though, maybe it's a language barrier? For example earlier in the conversation they seemed to express the opinion that because Janice's Lester's claim that females can't be starship captains was contradicted and What Are Little Girls Made Of? is ever referenced again in-universe, the entirety of that episode became non-canon, which I think explains there reasoning as basically retcon something from an episode = the entire episode being discarded but if that episode gets mentioned after the retcon it hasn't been retconned (I could be wrong; it's very hard to follow their reasoning)

So this might be a weird question and seem very strange (it's for a personal bit of writing I'm working on), and I was wondering if anyone whose better at math then me can help me out with it.

How long would a single Gallifreyan year have to be for 746 said years to equate to 3000 Earth years?