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i wonder if there is a chance of Lewis Carroll using Beatrice Henley as another model for fictional Alice in the manuscript Alice’s Adventures Under Ground.

the photograph was taken on 20 July 1864 Lewis Carroll had finished the pictures on 13 September 1864.

interestingly Beatrice is holding a hat.

Alice’s Adventures Under Ground Chapter 3 after the puppy scene had pointed out that as she leant against a buttercup to rest herself, and fanned herself with her hat, implying that fictional Alice was wearing a hat outdoors.

let's compare the long sleeves Lewis Carroll had given fictional Alice in a letter to E. G. Thomson dated (7 August 1897) and the long sleeves John Everett Millais had given Alice Gray in his 1856 painting ‘Autumn Leaves'.

the caterpillar picture and the painting next to it is from the YouTube video Lewis Carroll and Pre–Raphaelite Women by Christopher Tyler at San Francisco Public Library.

still-she-haunts-me-phantomwise.tumblr.com website post by funeral-wreaths had pointed out that Lewis Carroll had definitely saw the painting and named it in his diaries first on 2 October 1864.

in November 1864 Lewis Carroll had given the Alice manuscript to Alice Liddell.

The fourth picture in my post is a sketch by Lewis Carroll presumably of fictional Alice’s older sister.

does anyone see any similarities between the long sleeves Lewis Carroll had given fictional Alice in a letter to E. G. Thomson dated (7 August 1897) and the long sleeves on Tryphena Foord in Arthur Hughes’s 1863 painting “The Lady with the Lilacs”?

if we’re going by Carroll’s description of fictional Alice’s clothes in his April 1887 article Alice on the Stage and her clothing of wrought gold: i think that Carroll had gotten his inspiration from Dante Gabriel Rosetti’s 1863 painting Helen of Troy.

Jeffrey Stern 1976 had pointed out that The Gernsheim Collection photograph and 1860 print of Annie Miller also might have been taken/ collected by Carroll because they corresponded with both his and Rosetti’s ideas about the perfect image of the female soul.

i think that Carroll was trying to draw the same long sleeves from Annie Miller for his sketch of fictional Alice with long sleeves in a letter to Gertrude Thomson dated (7 August 1897).

keep in mind that Jenny Woolf author of The Mystery of Lewis Carroll had pointed out on page 175 that Carroll had denied using a real life child as the model for Alice but he had never denied using a real life adult.

does anyone see similarties between Elizabeth Siddal's long sleeves and the long sleeves Lewis Carroll had given fictional Alice In his drawing to E. G. Thomson?