u/Inside-Honey-7689

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Range reflection

I spent a little while at the range last week. I don't get a lot of time to go so I work to make sure I spend time wisely. Set goals, make a plan, carry out the plan.

All 9mm pistol action this trip. My objectives were to evaluate as many of the applicable-to-my-use-cases rentals as I could (for the most part, looking for a compact, preferably hammer fired gun to replace my b6c, which is a bit too thick for my preference), test reliability of a potential new defense round I'm considering (Remington x-point... Not worth it), and continue to hone my accuracy with my primary home defense and range pistol, my SAR9.

I auditioned the CZ P-09 C again to see if my feelings from the first 2 times had changed. They have. It's not as crazy accurate as initially thought, and it's physically larger than I remember. I don't think it would be meaningfully more discreet than my SAR9 so there's really no point in continuing to consider it.

Looking at smaller guns, next was HK CC9. I expected to like it more than I did since I generally like HKs. But, it's TOO small for me, though. Sub-compacts usually don't feel good to me, and while I understand their role, "teeny tiny gun" isn't a role I feel is worth investing in for me. So after that I went a little bigger.

FN reflex xl. I was surprised at how well it shoots for such a small pistol. Most others in the same general class don't feel as good. I believe it's slightly larger than the HK but still classified as sub-compact? If I do end up getting a concealable pistol, this would be on the list except that it is not available with a thumb safety.

The compact Walther PDP has the same issues for me as the full sized: mag and slide release don't fall to thumb well for my hand, and it feels more snappy than I would prefer.

Smith & Wesson CSX. Size wise, similar to the FN... Sort of bridging the gap between a sub and a compact. I don't understand why this gun exists. It's not actually a da/sa hammer fired gun. It's not SAO. You have to manually cock the hammer back, which is about the same effort as releasing the thumb safety, so I'm not sure what the point of the thumb safety is. And the shield series covers literally every size range from almost-compact to basically-micro.

No Beretta px4 and no other CZs, either. So I considered a few striker options that are available with thumb safety. They don't have an m&p 2.0 OR in their rental fleet and the shieldX was out for cleaning. I considered testing out the Shield Plus, but I decided instead to send my last 30 rental rounds down range with an old friend...

Beretta 92. It feels like home. Ishot these in my younger days and they always just feel... right. It's everything you could want in a full sized classic pistol, and it has been 15+ years since I shot one. Full cheese the whole 30 rounds. I concede this was not part of my original plan - It was pure nostalgia and I loved every second of it.

The Remington hollow points fed fine and ran smoothly but they were all over the place. At 45 feet my groups were all at least 2.5 times larger than with the Winchester defense rounds and HST. Will definitely not buy the remmy again.

The pictures are of mags sent from 45 feet. This exceeds the longest distance I am likely to have to shoot inside my house by 5 feet, so is my baseline for training distance. I need to clean up a couple of fliers and would like to tighten up to inside the 9 region , but I'm happy with my progress. 4 months ago, the spread was double the size, or more.

Last photo is the shirt I wore to the range. The only black guy working at the place gave me a nod and said "interesting shirt" I nodded back and said "well, you know... don't want that sht around here." He nodded again.

A gratifying moment of acknowledgement between allies, especially given the clientele at a gun range in a very red part of a red state.

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 14 hours ago

The chopping block

Everybody's always posting pics of NGD. I'm here to buck that and post pics of the guns that are departing my stewardship. Unlike many of you, I'm not really into collecting guns, and these have no role for me so they need to go.

First is a Norinco SKS. Not sure of the year. Maybe someone on here knows better than I, how to look that up reliably. One source I found said late 60s, another said early 80s. Whatever the case, I don't need to invest in 7.62x39 ammo and if I did, it would be for an AK. It works just fine, numbers match on this one, and it still has the cool little cleaning kit in the butt stock!

Next is a 1941 Mauser 8mm k98. Still has the loser stamps on it too so "almost certainly not a capture". Numbers not matching on the bolt, magazine cover and front band but the rest match. Barrel is rusted on the inside so it's not functional right now. Inherited this from an uncle who brought it back from Europe in the 80s. Fu*k n@zis and their guns, though. I don't want them in my home. 

Third is my first gun ever. The NEF 20ga pardner I posted a while ago. It just doesn't have a role in my life now. Other than some mild sentimentality, there's no reason to have it around. It was a great first gun and I'd love it to go to a friend who wants a first gun for their kid but I don't have any friends with kids around the appropriate age. 

Last is my Sarsilmaz B6c. It's a good gun, has a really nice DA/SA trigger, and low bore axis makes recoil very manageable, but it's a little too big to fill a role meaningfully different from that filled by my SAR9, with which I am much better. If it were slightly smaller, I might keep it for the off chance that I would carry some day, but it's a little fat for IWB at 4 o'clock.

If the shops have a 20g wingmaster that I can trade for, if the value is right it may turn out to be NGD for me (because busting clays is about the most fun I have ever had shooting), or I may scoop the Chiappa M1-9mm I have been peeking at for the last month or two. We'll see, though. Ostensibly that would play a home defense role, and also be a fun gun to have around, but it's a LONG way from a "need".

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 3 days ago

Shhh! 9mm cans

I'm ready to improve my hearing protection and protect the hearing of those around me whenever I'm shooting. This will be for a full sized 9mm pistol and an M1-9mm carbine rifle, both of which have 1/2-28 threaded barrels. I'll be buying a separate dedicated suppressor for my .22lr guns, so there need not be consideration of rimfire use here.

From the stuff I have read online, the Rugged Obsidian 9 (around $550) and Dead Air Wolfman (around $650) are to of the most popular and well regarded options for 9mm use. They are both modular and offer "short" and full length configurations. *Update* apparently the obsidian is not great and I'd be dumb to consider it.

I would welcome input from people who have experience with both devices. Advantages and disadvantages, features you particularly like or dislike, and considerations I may have overlooked are all appreciated. Also, if there's another option in the under-$700 category that you feel strongly compelled to make a case for, by all means!

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 3 days ago

CZ P-09 C opinions

Im not in love with the compact pistol I currently own. It's a SAR b6c (hammer fired, 3.7" barrel) and it's fine, but it just doesn't really excite me. I'm not very accurate with it, the grip is fine... better than most, but just fine, not great, or even really good. Also, very few holsters for it, and none that I have run across that work well for me personally. Consequently, the b6c is on the chopping block.

I'm a practical person, not a gun collector. I want the few guns I'm going to own to be exactly right and if they aren't, then I'm going to sell them and either get something I prefer or maybe just go without.

So, since I want hammer fired, with the option of an actual safety (I grew up shooting rifles and berettas) my options are relatively limited. I have tried the CZ P-09 C at the range. I prefer the trigger on the b6c by a good bit. The CZ has a long DA pull and a very abrupt, almost "touchy" SA trigger. But I'm more accurate with it than the b6c, the grip feels better, (but it's also just bigger in almost all dimensions, so that's always going to feel better). Being larger makes it harder to conceal, although I don't actually carry now, and likely will never regularly carry, but I MIGHT, and if I'm going to have a 2nd 9mm in addition to my sar9 full size, it needs to fill a different role.

So my question(s) for folks:

If you have a p-07 or p-09, how long did it take to get used to the trigger and how do you feel about it now? (I know cajun makes various trigger packages but I'm not looking for a competition gun or to spend another $150+ modding the gun after I buy it)

For those who have the compact P-07/09, how do you feel about the added width compared with other ccw guns? How does it affect your carrying?

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 7 days ago

Feline Friday

SAR9 gen2 with an osight SE. It eats everything except for the occasional stovepipe with blazer 115 (literally every other round has run flawlessly, from nato spec to +p 147s, every HP I have ever tried, to rando reloads and white box Winchester. I don't know what it is about the lighter blazer but I get a stovepipe about 1 out of 25 rounds). The HK style grip is the bees knees. There are a decent number of holsters for it but it fits glock holsters too, so basically unlimited options. Absolutely fantastic gun. Very underrated.

I was doing some dry fire the other night and set my piece down while I went to the bathroom and then got myself a LaCroix. I came back to this and a note that said "put the catnip on the table and back out of the room slowly. No funny business."

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 9 days ago
▲ 3 r/SarUSA

Sar9 gen 2 trigger work

Based on what I read on a few other posts, I got the orage county customs trigger which has adjustable pre-travel. I was hoping to reduce a little of the grit I feel and also drop the pre travel down before the break. Long story short, that trigger works in the gen 2 sar9 but you will lose the functionality of the thumb safety.

While I had the gun apart, I did a little polish work on the trigger bar, the grip module, and the connector. That was all fine other than not having quite the preferred tools for it. I used flitz and a variable speed Dremel on lowest setting, with only a cloth wheel (not even felt, though I may go back and use a wool/felt bit in the future) because I didn't want to over-do it. The trigger bar itself and anywhere it contacts were polished to a mirror finish. The pull is now somewhat smoother and once it breaks, most of the spongy/gritty feel (of which there wasn't a lot to begin with) is gone. Pull feels marginally easier, but mostly just smoother.

Then I started on the trigger shoe work. The pin holding the trigger shoe to the trigger bar is a pain to remove. Really difficult but I got it. Putting the new trigger shoe in was not too hard. Everything went together just fine until I had it nearly reassembled. I tried the thumb safety before I put the safety lever cross pin back in place, because that tiny little bugger is incredibly difficult to do as well. I'm glad I did. The thumb safety does NOT work with this trigger shoe.

It seems that the OC Custom trigger shoe moves the trigger bar down by maybe half a millimeter. That's enough to cause the thumb safety to become inoperable. The tab on the safety lever cross bar can no longer push up past the notch in the trigger bar and engage, thereby blocking the trigger bar from moving backwards.

This trigger shoe would PROBABLY work just fine if you are okay with losing the use of the thumb safety. That's not something I'm okay with so this trigger shoe will be returning to OC Customs.

I just figured I would share this tidbit in case anyone out there is looking for a similar upgrade.

In that vein, if anyone can absolutely confirm that there is an adjustable travel aftermarket trigger that works with standard gen2 sar9 and retains the functionality of the safety, please post!

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 11 days ago

Show off your first (also: wood stock Wednesday)

You never forget your first... Unless you forget it, in which case it's probably good that you forgot it.

This 20ga single shot New England Firearms Pardner was given to me as a Christmas gift when I was 18 or 19. It was my first gun. I'm pretty sure it was a pawn shop pickup by dad. I put a lot of #7 and #8 through it busting clays when I was in college. Had it behind my apartment door in a hidden compartment for most of my 20s. I haven't fired it in probably 10 years at this point though. I'll be taking it to shoot more clays one last time here soon. She just doesn't serve a purpose for me anymore and it's time to pay it forward. She will be a great first gun for someone else.

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 12 days ago
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Stovepipes with blazer 115

I know that my sar9 is tuned for NATO ammo but I shoot what I can find on the cheap. Winchester NATO is often available but not always. Anyone else had problems with blazer 115 brass stove piping for them? I'm wondering if going to a 15lb recoil spring would help.

  1. I use standard pressure 147 for defense and although I have had no issues so far, I definitely do NOT want to worry about a stovepipe in a critical situation.
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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 12 days ago

Suppressor affect on feel

I've been shooting for well over 2 decades but have never shot a suppressed pistol. Ive also only had the opportunity to shiot a suppressed rifle once, and it was a caliber and gun with which I had no prior familiarity.

I know how suppressors work but I am interested to hear what the affect is on how a hun feels when fired. Specifically I'm interested in the affect on pistols (.22LR and 9mm). I gather that they reduce recoil "some" which makes sense given the physics involved with suppression, and I know that the gun will feel more nose-heavy, but what does that do in terms of recoil orientation (twist/rotatio) and snap (the forward impulse as the slide returns)?

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 12 days ago

Wood grip Wednesday

With 2 hours to spare on wood grip Wednesday....

This is one I'm willing to bet most of you have never seen.

It's a late 60s High Standard Supermatic Citation Model 106 Military .22lr pistol. The 'military' designation denotes it as having a 1911 style/angle grip. Mag release is at the bottom of the grip. Safety is on the thumb side, just above the generous thumb cradle on the real walnut grip. The slide release is awkwardly on the other side of the receiver, so I generally pull back and release after loading a magazine.

This type of pistol was widely used by competition shooters including in the Olympics. This model, or another variant of the High Standard Supermatic, was also the preferred pistol for most domestic bullseye competitions for many years.

I recently learned that the OSS also used this pistol with the barrel essentially replaced with a silencer for covert assassinations. Supposedly it was so quiet, it sounded like a cough.

The gun weighs a lot - around 6.8 lbs, and barrel weights can be attached at various points along the bottom of the fluted barrel. Due to the weight, the felt recoil is essentially zero. Trigger pull is less than3lbs and travel is around 1mm. This is a precision machine.

This example has a 7.5 inch fluted barrel but the rapidly interchangeable barrel options include a 5.5 inch "bull" barrel, and also a "space gun" barrel (fun stuff, should you want to web search for photos). The iron sights are adjustable for elevation and windage, clicks exactly like you see on modern scopes and red dot optics.

I'm a bad shot but even I can put a 10 round mag in a 3.5" circle at 25yds with this, which is remarkable considering I can't even see the holes in the paper at that distance.

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 18 days ago
▲ 5 r/SarUSA

B6c slide lock back after firing

Before I send it in under warranty, I figured I would check if anyone has had a problem with the b6c slide locking back after firing.

Sometimes I can fire 2 or 3 times in a row without issues and sometimes it's every single shot. Trigger works as expected, bang, slide goes back and then somehow the slide lock mechanism is being engaged. I hit the slide release and it pops back as normal and I can fire again. At first I thought the round being pushed into the chamber was hitting the release bar, but that's definitely not the case. Then I thought my support thumb might be hitting the hold open/release lever. Doesn't matter the ammo used, and happens with stock and aftermarket mags, not an over-insertion problem. Had someone watch for 6 shots followed by failures to fire. Nope.

All I can figure is maybe the internal slide release lever spring isn't applying enough pressure to the release lever bar and it's jiggling the lock up, holding the slide open. I can't see anything that looks visually like it's not where it should be though. If anyone can post s photo of the internals of the slide release next time they take their b6c that would be awesome.

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 19 days ago

Wood stock Wednesday (also suitable for fudd Friday)

I never really liked the look of the green plastic stock. i replaced it with one made from laminated wood. I would have preferred curly maple or walnut, but the hand-rubbed mahogany stain and oil finish is looking classy on this 597 Remington .22lr. I think it still needs a can, though.

u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 26 days ago

How much difference does ammo make? (9mm target)

Experienced shooters,

I mostly shoot 115 or 124 blazer and monarch and winchester nato (124 and somewhat higher pressure). I'm using a striker fired pistol with 4.5" barrel.

Between 25 and 50 feet, what would you expect the precision (group size) and accuracy (proximity to aim point) affects to be switching from one type of ammo to the next?

My last range trip has me scratching my head on if it's me or if it's the ammo. Some of my groups were excellent (for me) in terms of both precision and accuracy. Then I would have some groups that were like... Wildly bad. I'm taking going from <4" groups that are an inch or two high and left to >10" groups that are all over the place.

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 1 month ago
▲ 5 r/SarUSA

Failure to feed on sar9 and b6c

I have put nearly 1000 rounds through my sar9 without any issues. FMJ from 6 different companies, two different types of hollow points, steel case, all different grain weights. No issues.

Cleaned and oiled it (and my b6c) this week and today at the range, I had a LOT of failures to feed. Like 4 or 5 on the sar9 over the course of maybe 150 rounds and like 25 on the b6c over a similar number of rounds.

This seems to be an obvious issue with how I clean. I would welcome recommendations for a good video to ensure I'm cleaning properly and not fouling things up.

failures were neither nose up or nose down with any consistency. I think all failures resulted in the slide staying back. maybe one didn't follow that pattern but it was consistent.

blazer 115 was present for most failures but it slso failed on monarch 124. both of these have run flawlessly for over 100 rounds previously in each gun.

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 — 1 month ago