u/Interesting_Lunch210

What does this mean for Shanks?

What does this mean for Shanks?

Loki says Imu his the toughest opponent he's ever faced.

Shanks defeated Loki while Imu hasn't even defeated Loki, yet Loki is praising Imu as tougher than Shanks?????

Ain't no way he's referring to his homeboy Ragnir and calling him a bastard right? Da fuq?

Imu is not even completely dominating Loki right now yet Loki's giving him this praise over Shanks?

There are 2 ways to look at it:

-Loki is referring to his physical durability (which is how I look at it) which means Injured Imu's durability>Shanks' durability which makes perfect sense considering Imu contracts are known for giving massive physical amps so it makes sense the guy who creates said contracts would have really high physical durability.

-Loki is referring to his overall combat prowess which means Injured Imu>Shanks straight up.

I think it makes the most sense for Loki to be referring to physical durability when calling him the toughest as that aligns more with the actual definition of toughness:

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Also, this aligns with Imu's performance as Injured Imu isn't really dominating Loki right now.

Imu himself stated Ragnir picked Loki because he thought Loki could be the one worthy enough to defeat Imu which is backed up by his performance.

This supporting evidence just further cements that Loki is in the same ballpark as Imu despite the fact that Shanks defeated Loki.

Based on Imu's performance and lack of outright dominance over Loki and that Shanks defeated a non-injured Loki my conclusion still follows:

Mihawk>Shanks>Injured Imu>Loki

Goathawk still on top

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u/Interesting_Lunch210 — 17 hours ago

My Marineford Tier List

-Akainu => Kuzan > Kizaru

-Mihawk > Shanks

-Akainu despite being incredibly untrustworthy and suspicious of the warlords flipping on him (which ends up happening) never seemed to be worried or fearful of Mihawk specifically, which implies he believes he could potentially handle Mihawk.

-Crocodile's off guard attack on Akainu did nothing while Jozu's off guard attack on Kuzan at least made him bleed a little. Therefore Jozu (including those who scale relative or above him) > Crocodile (and those who scale to and above him)

-Jozu made Kuzan bleed a bit and only got defeated by an off guard attack while Ace got neg diffed by Akainu who Kuzan scales to

-Shiryu was stated to be equal to Magellan and Magellan one tapped 1 BB + his entire crew at Impel Down. The fact that all it took was one single attack (despite being off guard) implies a significant difference in power.

  1. 2 DF BB was willing to fight both Sengoku and Garp at the same time yet ducked a fight with Shanks because he 'wasn't ready yet'

  2. 2 BB has been established is only willing to fight people he's confident he can take in a battle. He's a very cautious and cowardly person so the fact that he was willing to fight both Sengoku + Garp is a testament to how Garp and Sengoku scale below BB

  3. Sengoku who is equal to Garp received no injuries from the war yet after his off screen fight with BB he's seen with bandages. If Sengoku got injured and is equal to Garp, then Garp most definitely got just as injured as him in the fight with BB

  4. Despite BB fighting both Garp and Sengoku he never stopped in his arrogant mission in destroying Marineford and fighting until Shanks showed up and sobered him up. This strongly implies Garp and Sengoku didn't fight well enough against BB to stop him really in any way

  5. Shanks literally made BB go from saying he's top 1 and can destroy the world to 'Oh I just came here for the fruit ima head out' LOL

- 2 DF BB + his fodder crew defeated Sengoku and Garp off screen yet ran away from a lone Akainu. There was no mention of any number of vice-adrmials or any important Marine fighters. All that was said was Akainu and that was enough to send them packing.

-1 DF BB got dominated by near death WB which means he scales significantly below regular Old Beard

-Sengoku was willing to stand next to Old Garp on the platform with Ace despite being wary of the fact that Old Garp could flip on him to try and save his grandson. This implies Sengoku believes he is capable of stopping Garp if he flips. This is backed up when Sengoku with one arm manhandles an enraged Garp to the ground.

-Garp confirmed in his vivre to be relative to his prime

u/Interesting_Lunch210 — 7 days ago

Explaining why Akainu mid-diffs Mihawk and Mihawk high-diffs any of the Admirals

This post is primarily for people with a basic level of reading comprehension who understand Mihawk and the Admirals are top tiers in the verse.

If you're an old gen glazer (who obviously doesn't know how to power scale), then this post probably isn't for you. But of course you can yap in the comments anyways. Free country.

Bounty scaling is a valid way of scaling as long as the bounties in question are entirely or primarily predicated on combat ability.

Key
if, then >
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  • Low-Diff = massive difference in combat power level between 2 combatants (around 2x difference)
  • Mid-Diff = significant difference in combat power level between 2 combatants
  • High-Diff = slight to moderate difference in combat power level between 2 combatants
  • Extreme-Diff = near equivalent combat power level between 2 combatants

Premise 1 - (B*C)>(D*E): If the CG's bounties for the admirals are based off of combat ability and Mihawk's bounty is based off his combat ability as the WSS, then Akainu mid-diffs Mihawk and Mihawk high-diffs any of the Admirals

Premise 2 - A>B: If the CG's bounties for the admirals are based off their rank, then the bounties are based off of their combat power level

Premise 3 - A: The CG's bounties for the admirals are based off their rank

Premise 4 - B: The CG's bounties for the admirals are based off of their combat power level (combine 2 and 3)

Premise 5 - C: Mihawk's bounty is predicated entirely on his combat ability as the WSS

Premise 6 - B*C: The CG's bounties for the admirals are based off of combat ability and Mihawk's bounty is based off his combat ability as the WSS (combine 4 and 5)

Conclusion - D*E: Akainu mid-diffs Mihawk because 5 bill>>3.5 bill and Mihawk high-diffs any of the Admirals because 3.5 bill>3 bill (combine 1 and 6)

Here are a list of fun facts that provide overwhelming evidence the Admirals' position is based entirely off of their combat prowess and nothing else:

  • It's already confirmed that the higher the rank, the higher the combat ability (image 4)
  • Fujitora literally commits treason by saving slaves yet because of his value as an Admiral he doesn't even get punished or executed while Saint Mjsogard just defends Fishmen yet is tortured and executed
  • Fuji embarrasses the living dog shit out of the WG by bowing to some random King, yet his only punishment is just being banned from HQ
  • Fuji and Greenbull were hand-picked by the WG over any experiences vice admiral precisely because of their reputed combat prowess (image 8)
  • It's heavily implies the WG bought Fuji's original place of work just for the sake of recruiting Fuji as an admiral. The WG has no other reason to buy some random establishment (image 9 - SBS 110)
  • Kuzan (who's justice is referred to as LAZY Justice) literally sleeps on the job all the time and doesn't listen to orders yet is allowed to be an admiral and is even allowed to compete for fleet admiral despite Akainu literally being preferred by the Gorosei because of his combat prowess (image 9)
  • Akainu despite having a much more valuable political ideology for the Gorosei (Absolute Justice), has to go through a death-battle with Kuzan just to get the FA position

Here are a list of fun facts about the Cross Guild that provide supporting evidence:

  • The bounty system is based on generalized yet still accurate assessments of a marine's threat level which is based on their rank. (For example: 3 billion for Kuzan/GB/Fuji doesn't mean they are exactly equal it just means that they're highly relative to each other)
  • Crocodile and Mihawk (in-universe authority figures on power scaling) have decades of combat experience and and have intimate knowledge on how the marines work. They have spent years working alongside the marines as Warlords.
  • The Admirals have never been shown nor implied within the narrative to rely on or use buster calls in any significant way. They have been shown to always rely on their own power as combatants so it's not the case Mihawk and Crocodile took into account buster calls in any significant degree whatsoever when assessing their bounty levels.
  • Giving 3 billion bounties to Garp doesn't debunk my argument when he was a 'special case' due to his massive reputation as 'Hero of the Marines' (image 2 - Oda's Q/A)
  • Mihawk having an inferior bounty to Shanks despite being WSS doesn't mean anything when Shanks has factors like crew strength, territory, and influence that boost his bounty unlike Mihawk who's bounty is stated to be entirely off of him being WSS
u/Interesting_Lunch210 — 10 days ago