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Authentic, Established historical viewpoints of  Capoeira mestres: 1928-2023

Authentic, Established historical viewpoints of Capoeira mestres: 1928-2023

I'm objectively providing these quotes here to share insight on Mestres viewpoints of capoeira. Contrasting what capoeira practiced and taught today is, compared to how it was, how they did it and their moral alignments of capoeira's and capoeiristas' development over the decades.

Translation note: Statements originally in Portuguese have been translated into English. These are short excerpts, not complete interview transcripts. Dates identify the interview or publication when known. One Nestor Capoeira interview is back-translated from a Portuguese translation of an earlier English interview. I used an AI (chat gpt to translate the quotes. references provided in order of timeliness.).

Quote-0. Mestre Zuma (Annibal Burlamaqui) — 1928

>"Capoeiragem, as everyone knows, comes from many years ago; however, it has neither rules nor method.
Those fortunate enough to know it have, until today, given no thought to methodizing it, giving it rules and turning it into a sport, as, for example, football"

Source: Annibal Burlamaqui (Mestre Zuma), Gymnástica Nacional (Capoeiragem), Methodisada e Regrada, 1928, p. 15.

Original 1928 book — Wikimedia Commons

1. Mestre Pastinha — 1967

>“Capoeira Angola can only be taught without forcing a person's natural way of being. The idea is to make use of each person's own free and natural gestures.”

>“Nobody fights the way I do, but in their way there is all the wisdom I have learned. Each person is their own person.”

Source: Roberto Freire, É luta! É dança! É capoeira, Revista Realidade, 1967, p. 81.

Historical transcription of the original interview

2. Mestre Canjiquinha — testimony published in 1989

>“I learned capoeira in 1936 in Periperi. I had four mestres. I asked each one of them to teach me, and I learned.”

He described experimenting with these rhythms and movements, including practicing alone in front of a mirror.

Source: A alegria da capoeira, p. 40.

Academic reproduction of Canjiquinha's testimony

3. Mestre Waldemar da Paixão — 1990

>"I had four mestres. I asked each one of them to teach me, and I learned."

Source: Interview conducted by Brazil's National Capoeira Programme, recalling his training beginning in 1936.

Interview transcription

4. Mestre Nestor Capoeira — June 13, 2002

>“Leopoldina's method was completely different. It wasn't structured. His classes were great fun. You developed a lot of creativity and improvisation.”

>“These methods that we created [...] allow students to develop very quickly, but after three or four years they no longer improvise.”

>“I wanted to get rid of the idea that ‘I belong to this group or clan.’”

>“I wanted to reintroduce that method, keeping the elements I had when I learned capoeira in the street, like when I learned to ride a bicycle.”

Source: Interview originally conducted by Planet Capoeira, later translated into Portuguese and republished in 2009.

Interview — Portuguese translation

Note: The English above is a back-translation, not a verified reproduction of the original English transcript.

5. Mestre Ananias — 2006

>"Nobody taught [...] everybody would get together, and that was it. There was no such thing as looking for a mestre."

Source: Entrevista Especial: Mestre Ananias, Portal Capoeira.

Original interview

6. Mestre Gil Velho — September 26, 2007

>“The systematization and standardization of training made learning easier, allowing students to develop technically very quickly. But in exchange, they receive their instruction through movements imposed upon them, in a rationalized and compulsory manner, destroying their spontaneity.”

>“The capoeira of today reproduces its own perspective instead of constructing its identity.”

Source: Entrevista Mestre Gil Velho, Portal Capoeira.

Original interview

7. Mestre Marcial — November 1, 2008

>“Sometimes it was becoming a little automatic, so I realized the need to make things freer.”

>“In the end, everything becomes too similar. Everyone becomes robots.”

>“I preferred to give people a little more freedom to grow within capoeira and experience more, without losing tradition.”

Source: Interview reproduced in Flávio Soares Alves, O corpo em movimento na capoeira, p. 100 of the thesis.

University of São Paulo thesis, PDF

8. Mestre Zequinha — March 20, 2009

>"The 'cat's leap' isn't something you can teach. You create it in the moment."

Source: Interview reproduced in Flávio Soares Alves, O corpo em movimento na capoeira, p. 102 of the thesis. The expression pulo do gato refers here to an improvised, ingenious solution within the game.

University of São Paulo thesis, PDF

9. Mestre Fantasma — June 2010

>“If they're good capoeiristas [...] they don't need to be linked to that group.”

>“I think uniforms prevent people from being themselves.”

>“I believe that Capoeira would benefit a lot from breaking those brands down.”

Source: Interviews documented by Eurico Vianna Neto in Capoeira and Transnational Culture: Investigating the Social Role of a Global Social Practice.

Research thesis

10. Mestre Nestor Capoeira — January 2011

>“The ‘freedom’ that my colleagues proclaim exists only in their speeches.”

>“Inside the academy, what we see is the militaristic authoritarianism of higher-ranking students towards beginners.”

>“They teach according to an extremely rigid model, where things are either ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.”

>“What they call ‘improvising’ is merely rearranging certain movement clichés in different ways.”

>“Some of these young teachers [...] are managing to think with their own heads, far from the brainwashing of the group to which they belong.”

Source: His own essay and lecture material, Hierarquia e autoridade nas academias de capoeira, published through Portal Capoeira.

Original essay

11. Mestre Cobra Mansa — manifesto dated 2002, later republished in 2012

>"Capoeira cannot be limited by a group of practitioners, by a formal organization and not even by a group of mestres"

Source: Capoeira Community, Institutions, Society and Individuals. The manifesto is cited in academic research as appearing in Caxixi, no. 3, in 2002.

English manifesto, republished in May 2012

12. Mestre Cobra Mansa — September 2012

>"We are losing our identity, our roots, treating capoeira as a labelled, packaged and choreographed product, just for show."

Source: Encerramento das Olimpíadas: Que Capoeira É Essa? — his criticism of the presentation of capoeira at the London Olympics closing ceremony.

Original statement

13. Mestre Tabosa — January 1, 2014

>"That's what I find interesting about capoeira: it doesn't need an owner."

Source: Grão-Mestre — Ser ou Não Ser, written by Mestre Tabosa.

Original blog post

14. Mestre Renê — April 2014

>"I'm going to do my own ginga. And I won't be disrespecting my mestre, my teacher, or capoeira. I'll be myself!"

Source: Address discussing standardization within Capoeira Angola, reproduced in academic research by Marco Antônio Sareta Poglia.

Academic dissertation, PDF

15. Mestre Geni — January 31, 2017

>"If a mestre or capoeira centre says only the mestre should perform the chamada, that's a procedure, not a fundamental."

Source: Mestre Geni, As Chamadas ou Passo a Dois.

Original statement

16. Mestre Sabiá — March 11, 2017

>“Capoeira is much bigger and much stronger than any group.”

>“Our school is our own way of teaching, but capoeira is much bigger than any school. It's a much bigger universe.”

>“Capoeira is rich enough not to belong to any single tendency.”

>“Capoeira deserves the boldness to try different things, to try original things.”

Source: Interview with Papoeira about Ginga Mundo, other schools, and the importance of encountering different expressions of capoeira.

Original interview

17. Mestre Suassuna — interview date unverified

>"Before the big groups existed, there were capoeiristas scattered around [...] All those people deserve recognition, the anonymous ones."

Source: Interview originally attributed to Capoeira do Brasil, reproduced in a circulated interview document.

Interview reproduction

18. Mestre Franklin — testimony published in a 2020 dissertation

>“Everyone playing capoeira differently, everyone different, from various groups and various mestres—that's what's beautiful about capoeira.”

>“There isn't standardization, everybody gingando as if it were karate or judo [...] everybody doing the same thing, as if it were something mechanical.”

Source: Isabele Pires Santos Soler, Capoeira, memória e relações etnicorraciais na cidade de Salvador, p. 60.

University dissertation, PDF

19. Mestra Janja — interview published in 2023

>"Floreio is an authorial language, the capoeirista's signature, their fingerprint."

Source: Pasqua and Toledo, Saberes acerca do floreio na Capoeira: A voz do corpo experiente, p. 12.

Academic article, PDF

20. Mestre Xuxo — interview published in 2023

>"Some capoeira groups create limits [on floreios] because they don't know how to perform them."

Source: Same study by Pasqua and Toledo, p. 13.

Academic article, PDF

u/Miranseto — 5 days ago

Meet Mestre Andre Lace.

Tracked Mestre Grilo's lineage. Turns out, he's the real deal. And I think I udnerestimated Mestre Andre lace's status as capoeira historian...didn't even know he was regarded as a mestre.

here's an interview with him capoeira's history and his experience.
https://youtu.be/v_i9aScoseg

u/Miranseto — 6 days ago

holy moly, this french wikipedia repository might be a gold mine of upper limb capoeira movements.

does anyone recognize these? Aside from the fundamental hand strikes, I could only recall asfixiant and telefonte. ' bau ' and 'bochecho' are very interesting. there's also the double punch 'arpao'. I thought the only double hand strike cpaoeira had was empurao.

there's many other movements and techniques beyond the upper limbs too, even some interesting takedowns. I feel it's worth checking out, So I posted it here.

for context on various fundamental hand strikes, here's an extra:
https://youtu.be/oJaZl_vhS6A

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u/Miranseto — 16 days ago

Was reading some old capoeira material then I suddenly chanced on this...

Book Nestor Capoeira Galo Já Cantou (page 124)

A capoerista once told me "blades are rooted in the art, fit it between fingers and toes. it's an unspoken nature that capoeira makes an example of itself.". the image just resonated that memory. Mestre 90 and the likes weren't kidding. it's a principle in and of itself, capoeira is treachery.

the picture shows frequent navalha grips.

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u/Miranseto — 26 days ago

Aula 04 Capoeira (rasteira no chão): a reverse foot sweep after evading backwards.

For those of you looking for more interesting means to counter strikes aimed at your upper body.

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u/Miranseto — 27 days ago

Elastic razor blade. For those of you curious to what extent navalha can be applied.

Links to sources ( video included and a technique documented.)

Primary academic source — Adriana Albert Dias, “Os ‘fiéis’ da navalha” (Afro-Ásia, 2005). This is the crucial one. On PDF p. 10 it explicitly describes a technique of projecting a razor “amarrada num fio elástico” at a distant opponent, based on the 1997 testimony of Noca de Jacó. It also describes the rubber cord attached at the waist and the returning blade. [Direct UFBA PDF — Os “fiéis” da navalha](https://periodicos.ufba.br/index.php/afroasia/article/download/21095/13686/71824?utm_source=chatgpt.com)

Alternative hosted copy of the same paper — Redalyc. Useful if the UFBA link does not open for someone. [Redalyc PDF copy](https://www.redalyc.org/pdf/770/77003210.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com)

DOI / bibliographic record: Adriana Albert Dias, Afro-Ásia no. 32 (2005), pp. 271–303, DOI 10.9771/aa.v0i32.21095. [DOI record](https://doi.org/10.9771/aa.v0i32.21095?utm_source=chatgpt.com)

The Mestre 90 / Navalhista video : [YouTube — Mestre 90 / Navalhista](https://youtu.be/QyUcE6YY2Co?si=Dxbhwh1Iapu6MrlA&utm_source=chatgpt.com)

Mestre 90 interview: https://www.youtube.com/live/beY-GZK9uoY?si=HW0vzu-7lrAwrI0h

For sharing the historical claim, the Dias paper is the one to lead with. The strongest passage is PDF page 10, especially the section beginning with the statement that there existed a technique for launching the navalha tied to an elastic cord. It identifies the testimony as an October 1997 interview with Ernesto Ferreira da Silva (Noca de Jacó).

(had to use an Ai to formalise my references for others to credulously refer to. NOTHING IS GENERATED.)

Regarding the navalhista demonstrator. that would be mestre noventa, the founder of the capoeira musuem, a serious collector of the martial art for decades. In furtherance to expand on where mestre noventa lineage and recognise the source of the technique, I will say this:

There isn't enough publicly available data. Mestre 90 is demonstrating/depicting a historical navalha practice from material he knows and preserves, but the transmission status of his demonstration is presently unknown to the precipice of my knowledge. If someone is more informed and wishes to add extra details, feel free to put them under this post.

Update: rewatching the video, Another element emerged. methods to defend against it seem to be established, enough that they if the demonstration was choreographed (considering how erratic mestre noventa handled it, it was plausible the pracitioner on the other end was improvising), they adapted the use of a thick cloth to evade, redirect and defend against the Irregular circular motion of the navalha. This is really consistent with methods established to avoid blades interactions on the body, both in capoeira and knife defence worldwide. (eg old capoeristas and pencak silat). Now i'm not saying there's a proven surviving educated lineage on navalhista knife defense, specifically catered towards the elastic blade. the display could have been improvised by the other practitioner demonstrating it. what's already seems to be fact is...

1 the elastic razor blade and their practitioners definitely existed for a time.

  1. The movement vocabulary was so established historical records even document one of its techniques. additionally a training regiment was practiced, severities considered.

  2. There remains people knowledgable enough to demonstrate it, even if it's debatable that its precision was commenced likewise to the practitioners prior to the old guard era.

  3. Defensive movements against it, likely corroborated and educated through lineages such as M.bimba and M. Sinhozinho schools existed, then made efforts to pass on the knowledge. Supporting the survivability of capoeira's defensive actions against weapon techniques/martial arts. This may be analogous to documented, authentic entries of malandros/capoeiristas utilising these assets during plays/duels/conflicts with other capoeiristas or law enforcement.

UPDATE: included a mestre 90 interview, detailing his knowledge and how he executes the reconstruction of the navalha, along with much detailed explanations towards its place capoeira, while watching his demosntrations. this includes a method to defend against navalhas. as explained here:

Mestre 90 explained that the silk scarf and the ring were used together as a highly specialized defensive tool against razor attacks [38:16–40:06].

  • The Silk Scarf (Lenço de Seda): He noted that a straight razor cannot cut through silk. The old street fighters wore silk scarves around their necks primarily as armor to protect their throats and faces from being slashed.
  • The Ring (Anel): When a fight broke out, a fighter would remove a heavy ring from their finger and tie it to the very tip of the silk scarf.
  • The Tactic: Silk is incredibly light on its own, making it difficult to swing. Tying the ring to the end provided a weighted tip, giving the scarf momentum and reach. Fighters would swing this weighted scarf forward to strike the opponent or intentionally entangle the incoming blade. Because the razor couldn't slice through the silk, it would get trapped in the fabric, neutralizing the weapon and potentially disarming the attacker.
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u/Miranseto — 28 days ago

capoeira jogada com navalha. (translation: razor blade game.)

Good lord it took me so long to find this. what a saving grace.

is it me, or is the knifeplay in capoeira literally just normally fitting the knife between the toes, to conveniently perform basically any other technique already established or archaically preserved. if it's any more than that otuside the ritual context I think there's enough jogo de navalha videos for someone to extrapolate without knowing the conventions.

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u/Miranseto — 1 month ago

Has anyone realized exactly how much parallels Buza, its culture and history has compared to capoeira? (1800s-present).

I believe this video specifically depicts Tsverian buza (DiscIaimer: I extrapolated this understanding from a few online articles and A.I.)

For those uninformed. Buza is a fist fighting Slavic ethno-culture martial art where improvisation of various techniques is handled according to the rhythmic folk dance. It really has a lot of similarities to capoeira and for those who have experienced capoeira schools where choreography is less maintained, it magnifies the parallel to Buza closer.

In fact, I can go a step further and say it's an exact psychological counterpart. even just from observing, a consequence of it is that they use illusive motion for deception. they even terminized it in the Slavic language.

I'd argue rhythmic choreography (cadence) might really be essential to developing improvised styles of eight limb martial arts. seeing how its prevalent in many martial arts worldwide.

As for its history. yes, even in similar eras both martial arts were outlawed and practitioners met extreme prejudice from their respective country's governments. being dangerously close to extinction for similar reasons. Capoeira surviving off various lineages, major formulated schools/groups and academies such as Mestre Bimba, Pastinha and Sinhozinho. Buza persevered via its villages which were frequently in rural and sparse regions, far off from the government scrutiny, which grew weaker and infrequent over time. later the martial arts revived significantly through Grigory bazlov.

Buza apparently has so many variants across the expanse of the Eurasian plains. So much so, that one Buza practitioner localized to a region or village could be entirely foreign to its neighbor's practices. which unironically supports the theory of historical folk martial arts diversity( eg. Pencak Silat and capoeira .). like some capoeira styles, for the past 30 years or so, it's been exiting its reconstruction phase outside the major, popularized systemized form, systema.

Now keep in mind I am not making an unrealized relative link. just seeing similarities between two different martial arts and making some distinguishable comparisons.

If anyone can provide additional observations. I'd be keen to see it.

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u/Miranseto — 1 month ago

I think I came to an interesting insight on peneiracao

I recently came to encounter a few capoeristas who practice it. I did not understand it during a basic tutorial, they gave me. one of them gave me an advise, that made it click for me " It's like balanco but your whole body does it.". afterwards they complimented my demonstration Saying if i keep it up, it'll become a part of you like ginga. they reinforced that, it's never a random foot placements. the core tenet is to maintain a dialogue by pattern and disruption with an opponent, even if they don't understand what you're 'saying'. Correct me if I'm wrong but the shifting movement principle aligns to rhythmic coherence and oscillatory deceptive motion.

I'm not going way over my head here. From across the research I compiled surrounding old bahian style, capoeira utilitaria and capoeiragem. historical archives and modern displays/reconstructions depict something very consistent...and it's that the technique is really inconsistent. maybe at some point in time, there were formal steps to doing peineracao like ginga does and it may be long lost. however I don't believe it's 'extinct'. it's very much open to being practiced in this modern day without the need of visual evidence.

even among the practitioners I met and seen online, even having learned it myself to an extent. the similarity I couldn't exactly describe until recently was the visible intention of being pragmatic.

Likewise to ginga, it hones the malicia philosophy and unlike ginga, it's not necessarily a universal choreography. I've observed foot tapping, changing angles mixed with feints, claps and samba dancing prior to a sudden technique's entry. All done methodically in a freestyle mindset.

From what fundamentals were ingrained in me by my mestres, I was taught a part of capoeira is physical expression mixed with various masked gestures. I don't believe my incomplete conclusion is far off from the truth.

for those modestly informed or above that, have I grasped a few things? or are am I missing some important portions of the movement's philosophy. Just thought I should share this since piecing this together feels like something worth mentioning here.

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u/Miranseto — 2 months ago

I'm going insane when I say I've seen a roda like this before.

does anyone's school practice shifting movement like this. it feels like samba but more erratic? Peneiracao? or something else. I'm curious.

edit: In the title i meant to say "I'm not going insane." Dunno why i left that out before posting...

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u/Miranseto — 2 months ago

What are your Viewpoints of the Peneiracao and A Guardas?

https://youtube.com/shorts/5irMij7u8zA?si=IchAvDfEYVZvCCxP

https://youtu.be/5CUwc9ojHEA?si=PIyvl2v_z2avyqOC

Was really curious on other variations of movements in capoeira outside the Ginga. For the past few months, I took to learning them and naturalizing it to further incorporate my knowledge on the old carioca style with my contemporary capoeira school. (all the way in the UK but I'm really figuring it out from here after daily hourly practices on the style.).

For those who don't know. apparently in Old Rio style capoeira. there were various stances and movements completely unique to capoeiragem. possibly due to capoeiragem being a special style in the region and each person growing their own variant, although there were consistent techniques displayed.

examples include: escorpião, A guarda (defensive movement)

and lastly. peneiracao.

From what I've observed and experienced. peneiracao: With Ginga, it was the popularized base evasive movement in capoeiragem. focusing on circling, tactical footwork. more centered to frequently breaking rythms and alternating to various technqiues.)

the videos above depict the techniques from old, archived and modern visuals.

Kind of curious of witness accounts/ practitioners of this. Would be grateful for any, tips offered when staging it for techniques.

I would like to clarify, I'm open to every aspect of capoeira and would not dare to think one thing stands over the other because it's more "efficient" or whatever amuses roundabout stereotypes.

I'm objectively very open-minded on any martial art/culture I practice. capoeira is no different.

Would appreciate any insight, thanks.

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u/Miranseto — 3 months ago