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Since CA said they'll have "higher ammunition" than the basic, I'm assuming this means they put the basic kisho back down to 2 ammo- where they were before they messed this up back in 2012.

Compared to the ogS2 kisho they have +3 to melee/charge/morale, +10 to accuracy/reload. And apparently 1 more ammo. I haven't seen official CE stats on the "basic" kisho to know if this is 100%.

Overall, this was probably the right way to go with this unit. Maybe someone can share or find the basic CE stats to confim the fix.

>!Nope. Took about 3 more volleys.!<

Also more of the volleys that missed and some other guys that got pin-cushioned.

That general and his horse have buns of steel! (and helmet, etc)

First off. Great end to a campaign. I liked fighting on all fronts. I put all the links to other parts below, but this'll be the recap.

Things I did that I found interesting.

1. Moved my capital to Kaga in the first handful of turns. This was great. It gave me +1 recruit point per turn in a smithy province that is the best province (IMO) to have as a a capital.

2. Eventually helped a vassal take Echigo. This gives me credit for having my original province, but since I don't control it directly, my capital doesn't move back.

3. Messed around with boats more than usual. It reminded me of what I do/don't like about boats. Fire bomb ships were fun when I could get the enemy to let me get near them. I'd still rather have nanban ships. ;)

4. I made a mess of the area. I pushed Takeda out of Kai, forced rebels to take it, vassaled Takeda in Kozuke and despite all that (-315 relations at the end), he never flipped on me. I even took an army and put it between his two armies at one point to give him the chance to jump me. Nope.

5. Likewise Imagawa made it over to Kii. I took that from him and diplo-vassaled him in Kawachi. Worst province. Poor guy.

6. None of my vassals flipped on me before victory! I had 2 clan allies when I was declared Shogun and the only reason I have 1 now is because I needed 1 more province to "win". So I broke the alliance and took Iga for the win.

About that... Realm Divide -50. Normally it's impossible to win the game without it being -60.

This is because you get- normally- 3 realm divide "waves".

Fame RD: -20 (it's double value)
War with Ashikaga: -10
Taking Kyoto: -10
Declared Shogun: -20 (only happens if Fame RD was skipped)

And then -5 per turn for 4 turns between taking Kyoto and being declared Shogun. This amounts to a -20 RD.

So here's what happened... Imagawa was allied with the Ashikaga Shogunate. Rather than break that up, I declared war on the Imagawa and the Ashikaga decided to join them. This DID NOT trigger the "war with Ashikaga" Realm Divide.

In other words... no one is getting -5/turn. There was no -10. Etc.

So I was able to clean up the Imagawa and fight Ashikaga in a field battle outside kyoto, etc, without worrying that anyone was going to flip. Had I needed to, I could have avoided Kyoto while maintaining the war status for... however long I felt, really. He didn't pop a "free" army. He already had one that probably spawned earlier and slowly disbanded.

I then took Kyoto as the province that would have triggered Fame RD, but doing so skips Fame RD.

So now I have Kyoto and only 4 turns to become Shogun with everyone only having a -10 RD penalty.

It's not a "huge" deal, I suppose. It's -10 that I shaved off by the end.

But think of the sequence of events. The only way to skip Fame RD is by taking Kyoto before hitting 100 fame. If you did that, you'd be at -20 (War+Kyoto). If you hit fame RD and then declared war and then took Kyoto, you'd be at -40. That's not counting -5/turn if there are any turns between any of that.

This is the only situation I've come up with that actually reduces the "waves" of RD being allocated from 3 total to 2.

I may make a separate post about it because it's interesting and significant to me.

Overall fun campaign. I liked it. I made some warrior monks and was just getting imported matchlocks up and running but the campaign ended. TBH the monks didn't really get used much. Had it been a long campaign I would have not broken alliance.

Heres:

Part 1- kicking things off

Part 2- consolidating my main area (moving capital to Kaga)

Part 3- 1561 where I'm getting close to RD

Part 3.5- some additional strategic discussion

Part 3.6- even more strategy talk, just starting Realm Divide

This was triggered by whupping the ass out of an enemy army with a player army that didn't have a general leading it. I had 4 generals at the time. Now I have 5.

Fwiw I autoresolved this. I think Oda was rather insulted about that. Then after I promoted this guy to general, I autoresolved the rest of Oda's army into dirt.

So Ito brought his best stack (apparently) to take out my slightly damaged fleet. I stacked my ships next to this little island with the plan to circle round as they collapsed on me.

Instead what happened is the first ship into my "trap" was his one trade ship. Cuz you know... ai. Anyway. That ship got lit and surrendered.

His second ship was his sengoku bune and leader. With all my firepower and one round of fire bombs, best I could do is rout him with <20 men left.

But that in and of itself appears to have glitched out the rest of his fleet.

2 Med bune, 5 bow, and 1 firebomb.

They are just spinning in place (pic 2). Waiting I guess for me to come into range to wake back up?

I do want to sink or capture them though...

As I've said elsewhere, I generally don't enjoy the S2 water battles- in part because of stuff like this. The single ship spam, etc. I DO enjoy it as Otomo cuz cannon go boom. But at any rate. I'm trying to enjoy this as best I can. I guess setting more ships on fire- that could be fun.

This is continuing my Uesugi campaign chatter. I'm in Realm Divide right now. I pounded a bunch of the incoming Ito ships, made some vassals, etc.

Yamana, last turn, wanted 11k to join the war vs Ito. Now he'll do it for 7k.

My plan was to weaken Ito's navy- which I have, but now I have captured ships that need repairs, some of my own ships need repairs, etc. I've built 25 combat ships total. I have 42 combat ships atm.

Now I normally ignore boats as a clan to the "right" of Kyoto. But this campaign I thought I would take Sado and get "easy" horses through the trade post. So here I am with a 3k navy upkeep. BUT... I'm spending >800 koku on repairs this turn and that only gets about half my boats repaired. Plus another 320 to recruit 2 more bow kobaya.

Between Sado bringing in 2240/turn with a 10* townie metsuke (nice, right?) and the Horse bringing in 1462 when trade isn't getting raided. That's 3700ish/turn. Less because Ito is blocking some trade.

My outlay this turn is ~4120. So in my present situation, the gain from Sado and Horse isn't paying for the navy trying to protect that income.

Getting Yamana into the war is mainly about weakening him as well as turning him on Ito. They still have trade and were allies, if you recall. If I pay Yamana to join the war and I peace out with Ito, I don't think that will last. I think Yamana will be inclined to accept peace with him rather quickly and I'll effectively wasted 7k.

Yamana has 16ish ships all near my ships atm. It might be helpful if he sent a stack at Ito. They both share a border, etc.

I still hate spending 7k on this. Maybe if I let another turn pass and I smash some more ships on my own it'll drop further. But now there's the ticking clock of RD penalties, so getting Yamana to fight and weaken himself will become harder.

In the second picture you can see I've taken Kyoto. I vassaled Imagawa in Kawachi. That's tied with Hyuga (iirc) for the "worst" province in the game- economically speaking. Strategic position is its only redeeming quality.

It'll be a fun 4 turns to get to Shogun!

Edit: I just checked. Yamana will do 4200 with indefinite military access. Sounds like a DEAL! ;)

The 3 bows on the lower wall never fired a single volley and never left the wall.

I was expecting them to pop off when I climbed into the tenshu from the "right", but they never did. I came in from the side and just let the timer run out instead of bothering with them.

If you look at the minimap you can see the units I have "pinning" the bows to the wall. It doesn't take that many, but I didn't need them to win after chewing up a the defense with my bows.

Here's my situation... (sort of following my recent update)

I succeeded in goading Ito into war after splitting them from Yamana. Ito is the light purple from Kyushu to Kyoto (basically). Yamana is the light yellow along the coast above them. Ito holds a good chunk of territory and I would like him weakened before RD. Or at least pushed away from me.

To that end, I took Harima off of him, raized the upgrades to the ground and have left it to rebel. That would become a buffer of sorts. Ito sent me a peace deal, so I could get "white peace" with him. That tells me I currently have the military upper hand. This means I could take more provinces off him, or get more to rebel. Either way.

Additionally I've allied with Yamana. My intent would be for him to join me against Ito so that I weaken both of them while I pivot to the end-game goals vs Kyoto.

Here's my problems:

1. Ito has 20 ships en route- 2 turns from hitting my main fleet and horse trade post. He has another 10 ships right behind them. I only have 20 ships in the area (not counting traders).

2. Yamana wants 11k koku to join the war against Ito. I have the money, but I don't know if it's worth it. He does have at least 16 ships near my horses. That would even the battle in the water.

3. Kitabatake is allied with Kyoto. This means if I push into RD against Kyoto I'll face an additional 2.5 armies that are already in a bad position for me. It'll cost me 3k to break them up. Kitabatake would ally with me for free, but I have a vassal right next to him. We know allies tend to ignore our ties to vassals. That said- I've already maxed my "betrayed allies" honour penalty.

If I take peace with Ito right now, he probably turns his ships around. But that doesn't leave him weak. I think I'd like him weaker. I don't know it's worth the 11k to get Yamana involved though. That's a lot of koku that could be spent on boats temporarily and more men to flood the zone around Kyoto. But you can see Yamana has an army in Wakasa right by my two main military provs. So getting him involved likely means his army moves away from my border.

My income per turn at this point is not exceptional (<3k), but Chonindo finishes next turn. I pull about 1500 in tarriffs, so that'll be a decent boost. I'd consider "Land Consolidation" farms, but those will take ~30 to BE in my VF 11* metsuke province.

I plan on being done in about 20 turns unless my war against Satomi in the North goes bad. I have ~7 armies that will surely take losses. That'll bring my income up while I recruit more men. I'm sitting on ~49k unless I pay Yamana to go to war.

A question may arise- why end the war with Ito right now? Why not push and rebel more provs, take Bizen for a smithy, etc? My plan was to pivot and smash Imagawa out of Kii and set Kawachi back to being rebel held. This would keep my armies around Kyoto so I could bring them in for that fight and then flood them back out at whoever is closest at that point to blitz to 25 provs.

In other words, I don't need his lands to win. If I have to potentially fight Kitabatake, I want my armies there.

This is in part my own analysis of the situation and wondering what others would do.

Thanks for reading!

Part 2 is here. The first set of pics is from Ito's "surprise" attack on my fort. My army was outside and that's why they are all tired. Got them in, yari wall walked over the flag til they mass routed. General got >500 kills. The heroic victory is probably because we were outnumbered- particularly the garisson. This was a refight. I could have taken the timer loss with my outside army intact, but I wanted to prove to myself I could beat their main/second armies to the fort and win.

The last 2 pics have most of the update info. Summer of 1561. I'm 2 turns from finishing the Nanban port in Echizen. I have no intention of converting, but hey... guns amirite? I'll have enough buddha and monk to keep them in line.

I have ~6.5 army stacks plus 3.5 vassal armies. Vassaled Takeda- I cornered him into Kozuke (need it to win). Not sure how long that will last with the -150ish relations. I dropped my alliance with Date so I could make more vassals on the northern front and not worry about conflict of interest.

Income is okay. It dropped ~1k/turn as I've got a half-dozen bow monks to spread to my armies and a few gold armour warrior monks on the way. Capital is still in Kaga. I was trying to support a vassal taking Echigo (also need), but I'll have to fight 2 Satomi stacks at a bridge waiting on his ass. (last pic)

I'm getting close to tipping over fame Realm Divide (80-85ish). I'm trying to weaken some of the surrounding clans first so I don't have quite the flood of enemies. I also want to be in position to blitz to getting 25 provinces once RD starts happening.

May your armies sweep across the land!

(this is from my first Leg win almost 15 years ago!)

Background: This is the campaign I've been updating along the way.

I've been off and on war with Takeda a few times now. Each time I've beaten him down, I've taken his money and gone about my business. I have 1-2 vassals that he has to get through to get to me and I chose to defend them. Usually. Basically it's an excuse to get xp on my units and money out of Takeda.

This time I decided to see if he'd agree to be my vassal and he does.

To be clear: I don't want this. I don't want his lands. I just want him to keep paying out like a chump. I'm sure Hojo/Imagawa would declare war on him in a heartbeat if he became my vassal. This also would take him out of war with Date for a hot minute.

I'm allied with Date. This goes against my own advice about NOT mixing vassals with clan allies btw, but since I haven't done it for a decade or so, I figured why not experience the pain again... Date gives zero f*cks about whether someone is my vassal. It is what it is.

Maybe some day I'll go back in time and not ally with Date- if I have a save that makes sense.

Anyway. I probably won't take Takeda on as a vassal. I just thought I would share.

This is on VH- only mods are kisho fix, and cosmetics/camera (ie nothing that matters). I ended up not wiping out this army- even though I thought it would. Luckily they didn't run far. This allowed me to take Kenshin and a couple units and get a star.

Here's the choice... +1 morale on all units under command, or +2 happiness in provinces where he is. Normally I would take the morale, but I could see how +2 happiness could help at least short term when cleaning up Ikko's mess.

On the other hand, +1 morale (on top of his +1 for Enjoys a Drink) makes for a pretty solid boost to ashigaru early on until I get tech and building upgrades to rank/morale rolling. I usually take this and probably will again.

I haven't actually played a real game in a while beyond doing a bunch of testing and review, so it was nice to bang out an opening battle.