u/NPDogs21

One thing I can't stand is playing the victim, especially when you're the one in power or are the abuser. What is the psychological reason for MAGA constantly acting like the world is out to get them when they're the ones in charge?

I read about the Patriot Front losers in DC, and naturally MAGA was saying it was Feds, it was ANTIFA, the Democrats are the party of the KKK, etc anything but disavow them. If i was MAGA, I'd simply own that I accept or tolerate them in my movement or leave. Boom, done? Why is that impossible for the average MAGA?

I genuinely don't get it. They must see it, right?

This is in response to the common personhood rebuttal.

All humans should get human rights. Size, ability, dependency, location, none of it matters. If you're human, you get human rights.

Logically, this also applies to human skin or hair cells as both are human. If you want to say you have to be a human organism, you're adding a qualifier that you have to be more than simply human.

Why do you say all humans should get human rights but when asked if that includes human hair or skin cells, both human, act like that is absurd?

Does it not get old for you after awhile? If abortion is already justified itself, aborting for a reason like a disability is also justified.

We can also see how people with disabilities are treated by PL after they're born, cutting their healthcare, making access for them harder, and making fun of them.

Do you also oppose telling women who are older they're at a higher risk for having a kid with disabilities so they shouldn't get pregnant, which is a eugenics argument? Would you equally choose to have a child without or with a disability if you're against eugenics?

Personally, I would be more worried if PL believed abortion was murder and that we should do nothing. There seems to be this idea among certain PC of "Don't like X? Don't do X!" We would never apply this logic to other issues like stealing or sexual assault. For some reason though, they believe it works with abortion when I've never seen it change someone's mind.

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It feels more like just a statement that abortion is objectively correct and not any attempt to persuade PL.

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Where do you draw the line for intervening with an issue?

Edit: I'm asking what is an issue or line you draw where people shouldn't worry about it? If you say murder is something people should be fine with, what is an issue you believe its actually justified to get involved in?

Edit: everyone is responding why PL dont think abortion is murder or why they're wrong. Thats not the question. It's why use an argument that people shouldn't care about an issue they believe is equivalent to murder? I don't believe they think that, and I also would never say "Don't like X? Don't do X" yet that is a popular PC argument. When would you apply it to another issue?

Saw on another sub how the Handmaid's Tale isn't actually what PL want, with one comment saying there needs to be an actual book written about what a PL society would look like. This comes at a time when you have PL women at a TPUSA event saying women shouldn't have the right to vote, and Christian Nationalists are welcomed with open arms. Are PL activists denouncing it and severing ties with the organization? I wont hold my breath.

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What do you think about PL utopia would look like?

One of my biggest frustrations with the abortion debate and PL is how they will claim to support or oppose XYZ while voting for PL politicians who do the exact opposite. That is completely meaningless to me then.

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I have my personal view of abortion, and when I vote for someone, I recognize I'm saying that they're as close to my position as possible in our system. If they happen to go farther in allowing abortion than my stance, then i accept that. I've found PL will act like saying "but I oppose it" negates all their responsibility and support for a candidate, which I don't accept.

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How do you reconcile your personal view of abortion restrictions with who you vote for?

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For example, I could say I'm PL tomorrow and accept the responsibility of my decision, which I feel PL would call me wrong. Yes, I voted to restrict abortion. That's great! I also voted for the mistreatment of immigrants, which I accept. I voted for cutting funding for USAID, which will lead to the deaths of millions of people, including children. I accept that the lives saved with abortion are more important to me than those who will die.

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I feel the closest I've seen with this come from the abortion abolitionist types

With regard to the couple who aborted over Down Syndrome, you see PL posting all these screenshots of anonymous comments with a dozen or hundred likes saying something cringe and edgy that they say represent the PC movement. It doesn't, our policies do. Meanwhile, PL politicians will make fun of people with disabilities and cut their healthcare, all while PL activists cheer them on, but somehow that doesn’t represent the PL movement.

Why do PL activists, organizations, and politicians not represent the PL movement while anonymous posts online represent the PC one? Can you make it make sense?

Personally, it would require a full disavowal of Trump and MAGA, voting against all of them even if it means supporting Democrats, and respect for the Constitution and rule of law.

Those are just the starting points to be able to trust conservatives. What will it take for you to trust conservatives again?

Unfortunately, many people are simply vibes based voters, and the vibes from the Democratic Party (which I admit are driven a lot by Republicans) is not great. Nobody likes being toned police constantly, and the civility politics they engage in while Republicans destroy our country yet share more relatable memes is frustrating.

What do liberals need to do to be seen as cool by the undecided and nonvoters?