u/Odd-Conversation812

Rant

I’m fed up with my clinic. We constantly have generator and electricity problems, and the AC barely works properly. We’re not allowed to lower the AC temperature because the generator shuts off from high electricity usage, and they even remove the batteries from the remote controls so we can’t adjust it ourselves. Ive had problems with my door for weeks and they still haven’t fixed it.

The clinical work is becoming increasingly frustrating. There are poor preparations, caries are sometimes left behind during preps, and in some cases they only remove caries, take a scan, and leave the tooth without completing the restoration. I’ve seen bridges placed over mobile implants connected to natural teeth, retained roots left in place with bridges made over them, and hopeless teeth being treated simply so a bridge can later be placed.

We’re also overworked, often working 8–9 hours a day under these conditions. It takes about a week just to get a functioning turbine, and other materials are also delayed. We’re expected to keep working regardless. They don’t even provide basic things like snacks, coffee, or anything for staff.

The patients add another layer of stress. Many are rude, demanding, and unwilling to follow the correct treatment plan because they want quick treatment and immediate results.

What frustrates me most is seeing treatment that I genuinely don’t feel confident in. With Hollywood smile cases, I’d estimate that around 8 out of 10 develop chronic gingival problems within a year, and many return needing endodontic treatment under crowns. I do the endodontic work, but deep down I often feel that simply doing the endo is not solving the actual problem, rather should the whole bridge be taken off, because there are caries under it.

I reached the tip of the iceberg, and I’m finally switching to another clinic.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 11 hours ago

Sensitivity

Hello everyone. Any tips on improving outcomes with deep restorations? I’m pretty confident about my isolation, so I’m not sure where the issue was.

I had a 13-year-old patient with an asymptomatic lower 6 who had been referred for endo, but I wanted to give the tooth a chance. I did selective caries removal and I don’t remember whether I placed a liner, but I’m certain there wasn’t any pulpal exposure.

The restoration itself went really well and looked great. However, the patient came back a month later saying that from the very day I placed the filling, the tooth became symptomatic. She reported pain to cold that lingered for around 2 minutes.

What confuses me is that it didn’t become symptomatic after some time — the symptoms started immediately after treatment. Any thoughts on what might have happened or what I could improve in similar cases?

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 4 days ago

Stupid clinic and its stupid patients

What a shitty situation at the clinic today. I gave an infiltration for an upper premolar before a filling, and the patient had extremely severe pain during the injection. I’ve honestly never had that happen before with any patient. She immediately got out of the chair, became upset, and went to my colleague to complete the filling instead. Later I was told she had been crying hysterically as well. I’m still trying to process what happened because the reaction felt completely unexpected.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 4 days ago

Short obt

Hello everyone. This tooth had irreversible pulpitis. However, I couldn’t reach the last 1–1.2 mm on the distal canals no matter what (according to apex locator), so I had to obturate. I completed irrigation and activation. One of the mesial cones is, I believe, slightly over, but I don’t think it would cause a problem. My concern is whether the under-obt on the distal will cause any problems.

The patient had slight pain whenever I was pre-curving my file and trying to negotiate the alleged curve on the distal canal, where I ultimately couldn’t reach the apex. I think the pain was because of left-over pulp in the apex?

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 5 days ago

Big brands

Does bond and composite differ a lot between major brands like Dentsply, Tokuyama, and GC compared with cheaper Korean brands that cost around half as much, particularly regarding leakage and polymerization shrinkage?

I’ve done multiple anterior restorations around 3 years ago with follow-up, and they still look great. However, with the cheaper materials I’m using now, I’ve noticed that after only a week to a month there can be discoloration at the composite–tooth interface, especially palatally in Class IV restorations.

Could this be due to differences in bond quality and composite properties between brands, or is it more likely related to technique?

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 16 days ago

Hollywood

Can someone thoroughly explain the consequences of doing a Hollywood smile in cases that go from edge to edge occlusion to Class I occlusion? I’m not very familiar with occlusion and I don’t personally do cases like these, but I’m more curious about the functional and long term stability.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 18 days ago

Ortho bracket Endo

Took off the bracket, placed a rubber dam, and completed the endodontic treatment and restoration. The distal canal would not negotiate the last 1 mm, likely due to a lateral exit, which was filled with sealer. The same occurred in the MB canal, where the last 1 mm could not be negotiated and was filled by sealer. On the post-op PA, I noticed distal caries, so the patient was rescheduled for another appointment to restore it before the orthodontic bracket is rebonded. Restoring that deep mesial margin was a pain in the ass. The tooth definitely has a poor prognosis and will be crowned once ortho is completed, although I doubt it will last more than a few years before fracturing. Still, treating poor-prognosis teeth is often worth it where I work, as endodontic treatment usually costs only $50–70. Even if the tooth only remains functional for a few more years, I wouldn’t consider that a loss.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 19 days ago

Endo

A monster restoration. The prognosis isn’t great, but it was done for free for the patient. CaOH was left in for 2 weeks to see if the pain and both buccal fistulas were going to settle down before deciding whether to obturate or not. Both fistulas went away and the patient was pain free, so we proceeded with obturation and the final filling.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 19 days ago

Ortho bracket rubber dam

A lot of the comments seem to assume I had complete freedom to remove the bracket and archwire and place a rubber dam however I wanted. I didn't.

I work under an orthodontist and a clinic owner, and I was specifically instructed not to remove the bracket and archwire before treatment. If I had ignored those instructions, I could have lost my job, since its so easy to replace me.

People also need to understand that finding another position isn't as simple as saying "just quit" or "just do what you think is right." Where I work, most other jobs pay very poorly, and this is the first decent-paying position I've had. I'm not willing to risk being fired because I went against direct instructions from the orthodontist and clinic owner.

Would I have preferred to use a rubber dam? Yes. But I was working within the limitations I was given.

A lot of you seem to assume that finding another job is easy, or that any new job will provide a decent income. That's not the reality everywhere. Where I'm from, good-paying dental positions are limited, and many available jobs pay very little. This is one of the first jobs I've had that pays reasonably well, so simply saying "ignore your boss" or "find another job" isn't as practical as some commenters make it sound.

I've also had previous disagreements with the clinic owner over treatment decisions. For example, I was pressured to restore a “cavity” that I believed was arrested rather than active caries, and my job was put at risk over that disagreement. So please don't assume I have complete autonomy to do whatever I think is best in every situation. The reality is that some of us work in environments where going against instructions can have serious consequences.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 22 days ago

Endo

Lower 6 with irreversible pulpitis. I couldn’t place a rubber dam because of the orthodontic bracket. For the life of me, I couldn’t reach the last 1 mm in either distal canal, even after pre-bending the files and trying different approaches. Could the canals be exiting laterally or have some apical curvature? The canals kept bleeding when I was about 1 mm short of the apex. I ended up placing Ca(OH)₂, but it didn’t reach the last 1 mm either. Not sure what the best approach would be at the next visit.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 25 days ago

Ortho

Hey everyone, looking for some clinical perspective on a case from today. An orthodontist nearby sent a 13-year-old patient to me for a pre-ortho evaluation. I didn’t take a pic of the 7 & 8, but the 7 was almost fully formed and the 8 was still forming.

I did a few fillings, but the lower first molar was severely decayed (deep margin distally) with no buccal or lingual walls left, only the mesial side remaining. I called the orthodontist to discuss extracting it for space closure, and he told me to just do whatever I thought was right and didn't even need me to send over an X-ray. Since the 7's roots weren't fully formed yet and the 8 was still forming, it felt like the perfect biological window to extract the 6 and let the 7 and 8 move up.

The parents agreed with the plan, so I extracted the tooth, and seeing it clinically after removal completely confirmed how structurally compromised it was. However, my colleague in the next room got really upset with me, arguing that I shouldn't have extracted it and that the ortho had originally expected endo.

I felt that extracting a structurally doomed tooth in a 13-year-old—especially with the ortho's blessing and an ideal setup for a 7 and 8 substitution—was the better long-term choice. Was my clinical judgment right here, or did I cross a line?

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 1 month ago

Endo

19-year-old with a badly decayed lower 6 and minimal ferrule insisted on saving the tooth. I did a pre-endo buildup. Found 4 canals and instrumented with S1 to around 16 mm before going for working length. I got WL easily in the ML canal (around 21mm), but for the life of me I couldn’t get WL in the others (stopping at 18-19mm).

What confuses me is deciding whether I’m dealing with debris/blockage or a canal curvature. I’m hesitant to force a C-file to regain patency because if it’s actually a curve, I could ledge the canal. But if I pre-curve the file assuming it’s a curve, then I feel like I’m not effectively dislodging debris.

Not sure what the correct mindset is here.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

Failed exo

Upper 6 endodontically treated and ankylosed. Sectioned and removed the mesial and distal roots after a long procedure, but the palatal root remained. Tried for another 30 minutes without success, so I called a senior colleague, who removed it in 5 minutes. I tried elevating in the same area he did, but I was too worried about fracturing the cusp subgingivally, whereas he wasn’t hesitant. Made me feel like shit.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

Overhang

Can this overhang be removed by a blade No.12? Blade was in the autoclave but patient is coming back next week for another filling

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

For difficult molar extractions, do you guys prefer removing some interseptal bone after sectioning rather than putting heavy force on the buccal plate?

My thinking is that creating internal space for root delivery may be less traumatic than excessive buccal expansion that could risk cortical plate fracture.

Also when elevating, I feel like a lot of force ends up being transmitted to the mesial bone as well.

I’m also curious if there’s any evidence that conservative interseptal bone removal actually causes more post-extraction ridge resorption/recession, or if preserving the buccal plate is the more important factor.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

When doing Class II restorations, sometimes when I place the wedge it doesn’t fully seal the gingival margin because it’s not long enough—even when I use the largest wedge. This leaves a small gap between the matrix band and the tooth.

In these cases, is it better to slightly drop the gingival margin (like 0.5–1 mm. But not sub gingival) until the wedge can properly seal it? Or is there a better technique for managing this?

I’ve noticed that lowering the margin so the wedge seals well tends to give better contacts and fewer open margins.

Also, I feel like subgingival margins are sometimes easier to deal with than high supragingival ones, because at least the wedge can actually engage and seal the band properly. Does that make sense or am I approaching this wrong?

And, about the picture that i attached, honestly I don’t think it’s accurate. The contact point in real cases usually isn’t that high, it tends to be lower. Curious what you guys think about this image.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

Did endo under rubber dam, full irrigation + activation. When I tried GP, the F2 cone in one of the distal canals was bending at the tip. I went back in, re-instrumented to WL, and it seemed fine after that. But during obturation I feel like it bent again.

Not sure what I’m missing here… could it be debris packing at the apex? Should I have gone back with a #10 to loosen it before placing GP?

Not 100% sure if it’s actually bending or just a sealer puff on the X-ray, but I’m leaning more towards bending.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

Hello everyone,

I placed a restoration about 2–3 weeks ago on an upper 7. The patient returned today complaining of mild sensitivity to cold lasting around 2–3 seconds, localized between the 7 and 8.

Unfortunately, I didn’t have access to cold testing to clearly identify the source, so I couldn’t determine whether the sensitivity was coming from the restoration or the adjacent 8. The 8 had significant caries, so I proceeded with extraction.

During the initial caries removal on the 7, there was no pulp exposure (performed under loupes).

My question is: could the carious lesion on the 8 have been responsible for this type of cold sensitivity?

I can’t recall the exact pre-op symptoms, but I’m fairly confident they were not consistent with irreversible pulpitis.

u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

I’m working in a clinic where the owner does a very high volume of cases daily—around 5 “Hollywood smile” cases (full crown treatments) and 5–10 implants per day.

A large percentage of patients—probably around 70%—come back with gingivitis, bleeding, and general dissatisfaction. One issue I keep noticing is that instead of placing individual crowns, he often splints multiple teeth together as bridges, which seems to make hygiene much harder for patients.

On the implant side, many cases appear to fail over time. When patients return with complications, they’re usually redirected to us to prescribe mouthwash and perform scaling and polishing, rather than addressing the underlying problem. As a result, there are frequent complaints and even arguments with patients.

From a clinical perspective, I’m also concerned about the quality of tooth preparation. In many cases, caries are removed but no core buildup is placed, and crowns are seated directly on compromised tooth structure.

I’m struggling to understand how such a high daily volume is maintained given the apparent complication rate and patient dissatisfaction. I’d really appreciate hearing others’ perspectives on this kind of workflow and whether these approaches are considered acceptable or if I’m right to be concerned.

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago

How are you supposed to restore class 2 cavities with palatal caries extension on upper molars? There would be a gap between the band and the wedge obviously so how do you restore the class 2 and the palatal extension together?

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u/Odd-Conversation812 — 2 months ago