u/Pend4Game

It's happened too many times to count where I get a Seraphine and I think 'Alright, this is a decent lane we can do this'. Just to watch them know nothing about playing Seraphine: missing downbeat, not using downbeat off my slow, being extremely aggro/playing like they aren't squishy/poor trading patterns.

Then sure enough we go to match history and they're a first time Seraphine on an account that plays Thresh/Pyke/Karma.

To any support mains reading this that don't main Seraphine: please do not just blind pick/first time Seraphine because you see Ashe.

Disclaimer: This is not an ad against Seraphine nor Seraphine mains. I love the champ, I love the lane synergy, and I love a good Seraphine main.

There's no way a basic mechanical bear trap with a cupcake reveals Camo AND Stealth, while a legit magic fucking Hawk can't reveal the dumb Rat I was just auto-attacking less than a second ago.

There is a good list of really frustrating champs: Twitch, Senna, Pyke (that I can think of right off the bat) of which this interaction is AWFUL. Their reveal range is smaller than Ashe's AA range by itself, let alone with hexoptics - and they have the ability to just pop this in combat.

There is 0 reason a Hawk can spot a mouse in a field from hundreds of feet up, but my magic imbued Hawk cant reveal a dumb bitch running away in some fart clouds.

Ashe's Hawkshot should reveal at least Camouflage (not Stealth, or whichever way around; I know they added a difference a few season ago.)