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Trying to find a recipe for “Grillparzertorte” — a German/Austrian layer cake that seems to exist nowhere in print
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Trying to find a recipe for “Grillparzertorte” — a German/Austrian layer cake that seems to exist nowhere in print

In 2010 someone made this hand-drawn cross-section of a Grillparzertorte at the Wiener Conditorei am Roseneck in Berlin, labeling every layer. I’ve been trying to find an actual recipe for months and have come up completely empty — in English and German.

Here’s what the diagram shows, top to bottom:

**•**	Marzipan decoration

**•**	Chocolate glaze (Schokoguss)

**•**	A thin marzipan layer

**•**	Cocoa buttercream (Kakaobuttercreme) coating the outside

**•**	Thin chocolate cake layers (Schokoteig) — more layers than a normal torte

**•**	Orange marzipan (Orangenmarzipan) filling layers

**•**	Chocolate or nougat buttercream (Schoko- oder Nougatbuttercreme)

**•**	Jam (Marmelade)

**•**	A shortcrust pastry base (Mürbeteigboden)

**•**	Brittle (Krokant) around the bottom edge

So I know the architecture. What I don’t have is any proportions.

What I’ve already ruled out:

**•**	Not a Sachertorte, despite what most search results assume

**•**	Nothing on German or English recipe sites; a German food-trade forum user asked this same question in 2016 and got no answer

**•**	Not in Hess’s *Viennese Cooking*

**•**	Nothing in ANNO (Austrian digitized newspaper/journal archive)

**•**	A research librarian spent an hour on it and couldn’t find a hit

German confectionery sites describe it as a “Meistertorte” — a master-confectioner cake — which makes me think it may only exist in professional trade manuals or as shop knowledge passed between Konditoren, never in a home cookbook. Candidates I haven’t been able to check the indexes of:

**•**	J. M. Erich Weber, *250 Konditorei-Spezialitäten* (Dresden, 1934)

**•**	*Verfahrenslehre Konditoreiwaren* (Fachbuchverlag Leipzig, East German trade manual)

**•**	Hans Skrach, *Die Wiener Konditorei* (1932/49)

**•**	Karl Schuhmacher, *Wiener Süßspeisen*

What I’m hoping for: does anyone have one of these books and can check the index? Or did anyone train in a German or Austrian Konditorei and make this? A professional formula in bulk quantities is completely fine — I’ll do the math to scale it down. Even confirming it’s in a specific book on a specific page would be a huge help.

u/Perfect-External-120 — 3 days ago

The religion didn't keep them trapped. TLC's renewal did.

Dear TLC,

I'm new. I started watching about two years ago — which is to say, I started watching because YOU started advertising a divorce to me. Every promo: the breakup, the betrayal, the standoff. You sold me a fundamentalist marriage falling apart, and I bought it. Great instincts. Genuinely.

Here's the part I learned afterward, reading up: that's not what the show was supposed to be. The original pitch — the public case — was civil rights. A fundie family saying: if culture can make room for queer people, it can make room for us. Whatever you think of the argument, it was an argument for dignity. Hold that thought, because I want to talk about what the show actually became, and I'd like you to check my receipts. Most of them are yours.

Vegas, first. Meri and Kody legally divorced in Nevada — so he could legally marry Robyn. Meri had a house there. By her account, Kody made no payments on it. When it sold, he took half the proceeds anyway — she didn't contest it — and that money went toward buying Robyn's house in Flagstaff. Sit with the shape of that: exit a wife on paper, contribute nothing to her asset, harvest half of it, plant it under the favorite. Remember the shape. It repeats.

The family moved to Arizona and bought Coyote Pass — with money YOU paid them. TLC paid them in a lump sum that went into a business they created, and yet there never seemed to be enough for their big expenses. The asset at the center of fifteen seasons of pain was bought with the proceeds of filming them in pain.

About six months in, Kody gathered everyone for a presentation: the one-house plan. Per Christine: HIS quarters would have a gorgeous view and grand windows, and the wives' apartments would be "afterthoughts." Plus a cabin on another plot so he could escape — from the togetherness he was pitching. Christine refused, and her reason is the whole story in advance: it would mean she didn't have anything in her name. 2018. She saw the lock before it closed.

So instead everyone "settled in to wait" for Coyote Pass: Janelle in a small rental, Meri in a big one, Christine and Robyn buying. And here's the repeat. Christine's Flagstaff house was deeded to her AND Kody. Then he asked her to refinance so only her name was on the mortgage — only her name on the debt. His reason, his words: "This way, it will be an asset for you." Altruistic! Unexpected! A week later, the real reason: he couldn't finance his house with Robyn while his name sat on Christine's mortgage. Christine's read: he was doing everything he could to disentangle himself from her and leave her a single mom — and further entangle himself with Robyn. Meri's Vegas equity, Christine's Flagstaff credit. Different wife, same harvest, same destination.

Who controlled the money the whole time? Kody. Per Christine: she'd tell him what she needed, then receive a check. The wives needed approval to spend beyond their monthly payroll; Kody, it seemed to her, could spend whatever he wanted without anyone's. Her memory of the stakes is specific: being told there was no money for groceries to feed her kids — but plenty for a sports car for Kody. Or a diamond for Robyn's ring. The children ate the difference. You filmed this family for two decades. Where did you think the grocery money was?

And the show let us believe JANELLE managed it — the competent one, the ex-realtor. Per Janelle: she kept the books. That's all. She got to WATCH the money leave: "Kody would just take out funds, and I don't know what for. And the money was just being spent — lots of it." It horrified her. You filmed a woman discovering she was a witness, not a partner, and let us read it as "Janelle's in charge." In my opinion, that's not an editing accident. That's the product.

Now the land. You showed us two maps of the same dirt — same episode — and labeled them yourselves. First the dream: five home sites (AFTER Christine left - her lot still drawn in. Then the legal truth: four parcels, some more equal than others. And you kept airing the dream.

The names on the four real parcels? By all accounts Kody alone decided. Robyn herself: nobody made that decision but Kody, they were told afterward, and when she asked why, he said he was just trying to make a decision and "didn't really think it through." Here's what not thinking it through produced: his name on every single parcel.

Why so little for Meri? Per Meri: he told her that because she only has one child, she was only entitled to two acres. Land rationed by reproductive output. Meanwhile — Meri, on camera — she paid into the family fund that covered the OTHER kids' college and cars, and paid for her own kid's school and car herself. She subsidized everyone else's children and got billed for not producing enough of her own. There was never a ledger for the money — but for the children, he counted.

(Notice the trees - which the family kept saying drive value in Flagstaff - sit on the far lots. Meri's middle one is bare.)

Janelle, doing the math on camera: titled like this, Meri would be compensated for "maybe an acre and a half of the whole fourteen." Then the sentence I can't shake: "Kody's name's on all the titles, so he's the one who needs to make changes in ownership. There's no assurance he's going to be kind." That's the marriage. That's the show. Whether he feels like being kind.

People say Kody "took" names off things. Mostly he didn't have to — the system did it for him. Leaving the marriage meant leaving the deed. When Christine left, she signed her own name off, and names what that did: handed it to Kody and Robyn rather than the family — "Janelle and Meri would need to fight for their piece." And the regret, in print: she wishes she'd negotiated for Meri's and Janelle's names on that plot so it would divide fairly. There was no fair way out. Exiting the cage meant forfeiting the women still inside it. In my opinion, that's not a bug. That's the design.

When Christine told him she was leaving, he immediately started talking about money. Her words: not Truely. Not losing her. His youngest child appears in that sentence as the thing he skipped. "Well, we have to split everything fifty-fifty," said the man who — per Christine — made no payments on the house she paid for. The same man who complained on YOUR cameras that he was a prisoner in his marriages, that he couldn't just say "Hey bitch, I'm done with you." A prisoner. On a property his name was on all of. Christine's response in the book, in full: "Charming."

How did it end? Lawyers — but notice the jobs. Janelle and Meri hired lawyers to keep from being erased. Kody and Robyn hired a lawyer to draft an NDA — to keep MERI from TALKING. Same tool, opposite purposes: survival on one side, silence on the other. A producer asked Meri directly: had she signed that first agreement and they'd sold the property out from under her, could she have spoken about it? "No." You have the tape. You aired the tape.

Now here's the thing I can't stop thinking about, and it's where you come in.

Everyone calls this family fundamentalist. But watch the show: by the run of it, they'd drifted out of the AUB into Kody's freelance theology — Jewish holidays because that's what Jesus did, no garments, doctrine improvised annually. The beliefs dissolved on camera. You know what never dissolved? The structure. One man on every dollar and every deed. Wives petitioning for checks. Exit priced at forfeiture. His counting — of children, of acres — final. Strip every spiritual justification away and the machine ran identically. Which tells you the machine was never spiritual. The theology was paint. When it peeled, the cage was still load-bearing.

So what replaced the church as the thing holding it all in place? In my opinion: you did.

And I know the defense, because it's built into the format: it was a documentary. Guardrails, permissions, topics the cast didn't have to discuss. Cameras pointed, hands off. Fine. But a documentary crew that films one man holding every deed and every dollar over four women for twenty years — and renews, and renews, and renews — isn't neutral. It's invested. The hands-off posture wasn't restraint. In my opinion, it was the business model: the entrapment was the content, and the content was renewed.

The doctrine said leaving costs you salvation and family; the show made leaving cost the income and the platform — and the side hustles available to these women were multi-level marketing, one extraction pyramid to supplement another. The doctrine made the family structure sacred; the show made it contractual — the premise was the plural family, so the plural family had to keep performing long after it died. You were still drawing Christine's lot on the "Proposed" map after she'd left. The doctrine microregulated what they wore and ate; production microregulated where they lived, what they could say (the NDA), and when their private decisions went public — Christine writes that she negotiated her actual divorce thinking about how the audience would take it, knowing many of us were cheering for her. She managed the end of her marriage as an audience-relations problem. The tithe extracted money up through a patriarchy; your lump sum injected it down through one — paid into a business at whose choke point sat the same man.

A show that began as a civil-rights argument — make room for our family — ended as a marketing campaign for that family's collapse. The dignity case was the pitch. The dissolution was the product.

So, my actual point, and it's the only part that's opinion:

The AUB built the cage. Kody kept it after he stopped believing. And you renewed it — season after season — for twenty years.

I'm not saying you scripted it. I'm saying your incentive and his pointed the same direction. He needed the entanglement unresolved to stay in control. You needed it unresolved to stay on the air. Whatever kept Meri's name on a third of one lot also kept her on your call sheet.

You advertised a family falling apart. You forgot to mention you'd already sold the floor out from under them.

u/Perfect-External-120 — 2 months ago