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Hospitalist were making 250k in 2005? And now the base is only 300k? Wtf.

I understand that personally I am not tied to a place (like the big cities with $250k, ew), but at least others like me should contribute too and stop accepting shitty offers. And I say this as a person who will need a waiver, negotiating seems to be such a strange skill in this profession due to college debt, that is horrible, damn.

I don’t have the numbers and if you tell me that there is a too big surplus of a hospitalists in the US, ok, I am wrong, but I believe that is only in the big cities.

Or it depends, haha.

And that they would do the same or maybe even more if they would put in the same amount of work.

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Nu urmeaza o perioada prea buna.

Cards, GI & Heme/Onc. Curios about fellow IM IMGs.

Only money? Being truly interested in that field? Really hating being the one patients get dumped on by other specialities, low prestige? Still choosing not to be a hospitalist if cards and GI paid $400k?

Short point: did you just wanted more money or/and truly disliked the hospitalist job prospects?

Incoming New York IM resident from Europe, Romania. I am writing this mostly because of the high engagement of the Switzerland post (and all of the misconceptions in the comment section, probably made by a lot of people not from Europe, so not much info, that's fine). I guess I felt like the hospitalists from their subreddit who told me that no, you won't really make 400k-500k without a big hustle as a hospitalist, and in the US, that it is not wow money anyway.

Either way, I could have gone to Switzerland in IM, FM, Pediatrics, Psychiatry, EM, etc., only because of my pulse, as I do not have any visa problems, being a European citizen, and med school in Europe. This is for the context.

1. No, financial opportunities in Switzerland are not even close to those in the US; salaries are still no match, still higher taxes overall.
2. Cost of living is literally even in villages like in NYC.
3. You may never finish residency; it is not as straightforward as in the US. You have to go to multiple hospitals, etc.
4. Houses anywhere start at $1.5-$2M. Anywhere.
5. They work more than most of the European countries, 50 hours at least. Less than the US, true, but not that chill as you guys think.
6. I don't even want to start about where you will integrate better as an immigrant, between those two countries. Especially brown skin. This is Switzerland, for God's sake. Very, very tough immigration laws (if not European citizen). Way tougher than the US.

I guess people see a doctor's life in Switzerland like driving your Porsche through the mountains on perfect roads and admiring the amazing nature. Yeah, not really. The same as many of us thought that we would easily get a nice condo in NYC, Miami, or LA while driving a sweet 911 as an attending. Yeah.