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Udhyoga Parva, Chapter No. 66, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

‘Sanjaya said, “Arjuna and Vasudeva are supremely honoured archers. They have everything in them and have been born in this way because of their own wishes

This is another proof of how divine arjun was that it was because of his own wish he took a human form to establish dharma on earth

The epic presents Arjuna as more than the greatest warrior. He is repeatedly portrayed as one who protects those who follow the righteous path, while becoming extraordinarily fierce toward those who act through deceit and seek his destruction.

Some people love the honesty and truth instated in duryodhan , the way he abused lord krishna and blamed him and pandavas for the deaths of kuru commanders

But often they dont agree upon the above statement said by duryodhan i wonder why??

Would love to have your views on this post

These words were said by brahama to mahadev when the fight between mahadev and nara-narayan(arjun -krishna) was going on ,

Although many people will get hurt after reading this that Brahama himself is saying here that he also was generated from nara-narayan(arjun-krishna)

BORI CE, MOKSHA DHARMA PARVA , CHAPTER 330

Nara and Narayana have been born in Dharma’s lineage and actually have a single and auspicious form. These best of gods are engaged in great austerities and major vows. For a different reason, I have also been generated from them.

According to Yudishthir Arjun always faced suffering and sorrow in his life but as someone rightly said Arjun took his struggles and learnt from it, this is what makes him great

BORI CE, ASHVEMEDHIKA PARV , CHAPTER 89

‘Yudhishthira said, “O Krishna! I have heard your agreeable words. They are indeed words that you should speak. O lord! They are like amrita and gladden my mind. Vijaya has indeed fought many battles with the lords of men, here and there and repeatedly. O Hrishikesha! I have heard that. Vijaya is extremely intelligent. However, it oppresses my mind that Partha is always separated from happiness. What is the mystery behind that? 

O Varshneya! I always think about Kunti’s son.344 O Krishna! His body possesses all the auspicious marks that are revered. What is the inauspicious mark, because of which, he always suffers misery? That son of Kunti has always borne a disproportionate share of sorrow. I do not see anything on Bibhatsu’s body that can be censured. If you think I deserve to hear this, you should explain it to me.”’

Reference in the 2nd slide- Śiva Purāṇa, Śatarudra Saṃhitā, Chapter 41 (The Incarnation of Lord Śiva as Kirāta),

According to Shiva-Purana Arjun could fight in Air just like lord shiva , they both had a duel in Air in the kirata-arjun fight episode , which was a really extraordinary fight

We all know about how supreme arjun was when he fought on ground but his power of fighting in mid-air is rarely heard of , he fought with this technique against shiva and satisfied him in the battle and Shiva called Arjun the greatest Warrior to exist

Although this post wasnt required much as we all know Arjun was never ever defeated in this episode as arjun was never involved in a fight with robbers

But due to some cosplaying fakers i have to create this post

Lets have a look at what exactly happened:-

First of all, it should be noted that Arjuna lost everything in this battle because of unexpected supernatural reason not because of his enemies or because of his own decision so he shouldn't be blamed for losing everything.

It should also be noted that the robbers had no role in the matter of Arjuna loosing his weapons and physical strength so basically Arjuna had nothing there which he could use to save those ladies

Some people can claim that Karn also lost his brahamastra due to supernatural reason lol it wasnt supernatural but a curse so there is no comparison here

Mousala Parva, Chapter No. 08, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

He then thought of his weapons, but couldn’t remember them. In the engagement, he witnessed this great calamity of the strength of his arms having disappeared. The great and divine weapons no longer manifested themselves and he was ashamed. 

Even his quivers, which were inexhaustible were exhausted in a few moments

Dhananjaya, forcefully shot arrows from Gandiva and struck the bandits. O king! However, in a short while, his arrows were exhausted. Earlier, his quivers used to be inexhaustible. But now, the arrows were exhausted. Seeing that his arrows were exhausted, he was filled with sorrow and grief.

Other warriors were without energy then it won't be wrong if I say that Arjuna was alone there

Mousala Parva, Chapter No. 08, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Those abhiras saw the opportunity to do something wicked and consulted each other. “Arjuna is the only warrior. There are the aged and the young. The husbands have been killed. The other warriors are without energy and are passing through our territory.”

Did Robbers really defeat Arjuna ?

No, To defeat someone, one needs to attack him but the robbers never attacked Arjuna. Nor any battle happened between them. They attacked only on Vrishni warriors

It was Arjuna who attacked the robbers and tried to save Vrishni ladies but viceversa never happened. Not to speak of defeat, the Robbers didn't even dare to glance at Arjuna after coming there

If failing to save someone is a defeat then Karna faced more than 20 defeats in this criteria only as he repeatedly failed to save his brother,sons and soldiers from the Pandava warriors.

Bhima killed the brothers of Duryodhana in front of Karna on 14th and 17th day. Arjuna killed brothers and sons of Karna in front of Karna and Karna can't do anything except running away like a coward. Karna was crying like child when Bhima was killing Kauravas in front of him.Karna killed his own army due to lack of skills.

If Karn fans are ready to consider these incapablity of karn saving his teamates in war as defeat we will also accept arjun's incapablity here

Now the next excuse is that the word retreat is used there for Arjuna hence Arjuna was defeated

Disrobing :- Lol I have already explained , a battle didn't occur between them hence Arjuna's defeat is out of context

Moreover here retreat doesn't mean flee or turn back from the battle. The word retreat is used here for Arjuna's act as Arjuna was trying to save those ladies but stopped (retreated from his act) to save those ladies when he thought that he can't save them now

 Mousala Parva, Chapter No. 08, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

 The weapons had disappeared and the valour of his arms had been destroyed. The bow was no longer under his control and his arrows had been exhausted.

Partha was cheerless and thought. ‘O king! He started to retreat and said, “This is nothing but destiny.” The immensely intelligent one collected the remaining wives and the remaining jewels and went to Kurukshetra.

So where did you find that Arjuna fled away from battle ? In your dreams ? 🤣🤣

One more claim made by them is that the robbers abducted Krishna's wives.

Disrobing :- The robbers had abducted Krishna's wives is mentioned only in Purana scriptures but it should be noted that in Puranas it is because of Brahman's curse and Shri Krishna's curse, they were abducted by the robbers. Now the question is that If Karna fans use Puranas to claim it then why do these fans cry that Arjuna failed to save Krishna's wives ?Don't they know about curse from the same sources? Or the entire community is suffering from mental disorder ?

In Mahabharata, no wife of Shri Krishna was abducted by the robbers,only some ordinary Yadava ladies were abducted

Mousala Parva, Chapter No. 08, Mahabharata CE by BORI, Dr. Bibek Debroy

The son of Paka’s chastiser used the ends of the bow to kill bandits. O Janamejaya! However, in every direction, while Partha looked on, the mlechchhas seized the best of the Vrishni and Andhaka women.

In the narrative provided above it's written that best of Vrishni and Andhaka women but no mention of Shri Krishna's wives getting abducted.

Do you know there is a forbidden boundary in the universe which cant be crossed by anyone ?? If anyone tries to cross it is destroyed

The Mahābhārata describes a mysterious boundary guarded by the great sages called Dhāma. Their origins, forms, and the extent of their ascetic power are said to be unknowable. They had created a thousand orbits beyond which, the text says, anyone who attempted to penetrate would vanish.

Those orbits can be enjoyed by a person as one desires but no one can go beyond it except
two people
1) Narayana
2)Jishnu(Arjun)

BORI CE ,UDYOGA PARVA, CHAPTER 772(109)

The great-souled and truthful sages named Dhama protect the gate of Gayantika here. Their origins, shapes, or the strength of their austerities, are not known. O Galava! They have created one thousand orbits that can be enjoyed as one desires. Whenever a man penetrates beyond this, he vanishes. O bull among brahmanas! No one has ever gone beyond this, except the god Narayana and the undecaying Nara Jishnu.

This is another proof of how divine arjun was and how his divinity is spread across the epic

According to Srimad bhagavat puran Arjun and subhadra both desired each other and had their fair share of romantic moments

Attaching the reference in the next slide: Śrīmad Bhāgavata Purāṇa (Bhāgavata Purāṇa), Canto 10, Chapter 86

Although ,According to Bori CE The most authentic book related to mahabharat events we dont find any love story of subhadra and arjun ,

We do find a cross reference in ADI PARVA chapter 55 saying subhadra was delighted to be united with arjun, so by Bori CE we cant come to a conclusion whether it was a romantic story or not

NOTE: The above reference is given by puranas which shouldnt be considered the source of truth regarding the mahabharat events over BORI CE

You can check the 2nd slide for the reference

Śiva Purāṇa, Śatarudra Saṃhitā, Chapter 41 (The Incarnation of Lord Śiva as Kirāta),

Arjun defeated shiva's ganas in such a way that even after mahadeva called them back they didnt respond or come back ,Then shiva obviously defeated arjun but was satisfied with arjun's valour and called him the best warrior

Although the above information is from puranas and shouldnt be considered as truth over mahabharat

BORI CE, SABHA PARVA, CHAPTER 71

‘Along the route, I may steal the hearts of women who look at me.’ Thinking this, Nakula travels with his entire body covered in dust

Duryodhan here shows karn's incapablity of countering arjun on 14th day , and how arjun after defeating karn went on to slay jaydrath with ease

This shows an angry arjun cant be stopped by anyone

On 17th day Arjun was showing such superior valour that kauravas army lost all hope of karn standing a chance in front of arjun

Arjun broke the armour of karn , defeated him in such a way that sanjay says karn is looking like a person suffering from cough

CLICKE THE IMAGE FOR FULL VIEW

Before lashing out on me these arent my predictions but what is present in mahabharat

There are other predictions also which tells how the earth will end:

At the end of those one thousand yugas,81 when life decays, there is a drought for many years. O lord of the earth! Because beings have weak lives and are starving, they die in large numbers on the surface of the earth. O lord of men! Seven blazing suns appear then. They drink up all the waters from the oceans and the rivers. O descendant of the Bharata lineage!

O bull among the Bharata lineage! Everything is then reduced to ashes, be it of wood or grass, dry or wet. O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Then the fire of destruction arrives, together with the wind, in a world that has already been dried up by the suns. It penetrates the earth and goes all the way to the nether regions, generating great terror among the gods, the danavas and the yakshas. It burns down the world of the nagas and whatever can be found on earth.

KARNA FANS ARE CLAIMING THAT VRISHASENA WAS KILLED IN A GROUP ATTACK LOL, IN REALITY, ARJUNA ALONE KILLED VRISHASENA INFRONT OF KARNA IN A NORMAL FIGHT

BORI CE , KARNA PARVA-62

Vrishasena used fierce arrows to again pierce Partha in his armpits. He struck Krishna with nine arrows and again struck Partha with ten sharp and fierce arrows, Kiriti became enraged in that field of battle and his forehead furrowed into three lines.

The great souled one shot arrows in the battle, designed to kill the son of a suta in the battle. Kiriti pierced him violently in the inner organs with ten arrows. With fuur razor-sharp arrows, he severed his how, his arms and his head. He was struck by Partha's arrows and fell down from the chariot onto the ground, deprived of his arms and head.

He was like an extremely large and flowering shala ree, with a lot of leaves, which had been struck by a storm and brought down from the summit of a mountain. The son of a suta saw that his son had been struck by arrows and had fallen down from his chariot*. He was tormented because his son had been slain, Powerfully and violently, he advanced on his chariot towards the ratha Kiriti.*

ARJUN TOOK AN OATH TO KILL KARN'S SON IN FRONT OF KARN'S EYES AND HE ALSO MAKES KARN REMEBER THAT HOW KARN KILLED HIS SON ABHIMANYU WHEN HE WASNT PRESENT IN THE BATTLE

When Rukmi asks arjun if he requires his help in the war and wants rukmi to be his aide in mocking tone arjun replied him by saying

Arjun gave him a befitting reply by telling him all the above mentioned things

He acknowledged that he is drona's student and krishna's friend and he is capable alone

Although we all are nothing without shri krishna but this was Arjun's achievement without shri krishna

According to Shri krishna pandavas never mistreated kauravas and it was kauravas who treat them badly

Many people use shri krishna's statement to prove their cross references i hope they beleive this to be true as well

When Arjun was on Ashwamedhika conquest he came to kingdom of jaydrath whom (dushala was married to) and had a fight but because of his affection and love for his sister he ended the fight and enemity between pandavas and saindhavas

Ashwmedhika Parva, Chapter No. 77, BORI CE, Dr. Bibek Debroy translation

Desiring peace for all the warriors, she went towards Pandava. She reached Dhananjaya and lamented piteously. On seeing her, the lord Dhananjaya cast aside his bow. Partha cast aside his bow and greeted his sister in the proper way. He spoke to her and asked her what he could do for her. She said, "O foremost among the Bharata lineage! This child is the son of your sister's son. O brave one! O bull among men! Behold. He is greeting you."

Jaya comforted her in many ways and showed her his favours. He happily embraced her and gave her permission to return to her house. Duhshala also restrained those warriors from that great battle. The one with the beautiful face worshipped Partha and left for her own house

P.S - I DONT KNOW THE CONTEXT OF THE ABOVE PICTURE

As you can see Yudister said the statement of leaving six bodies in lakshagrah before the women with her children even arrived , so are we guys implying yudister was a god who knew future??

Even when they came at night none of the pandavas were aware of their presence kunti was said to be only serving the brhamanas and after some time they went home , so pandavas / kunti never knew about them being there

Now it was just destiny that pandavas got a great cover due to the women and her sons

When Karna fans failed to find a passage of Arjuna in the fear of Karna in the entire Mahabharat then they started to use cheap tactics to degrade Arjuna. Now they are talking nonsense that if someone makes the pandava army means Arjun is getting feared

Karna fans think that Words like Pandavas, parthas and pandus are reffered to Pandava brothers only but it is not a complete truth because in war parvas, those words were used for Pandavas army too.

See the below narratives, i am posting many proofs which will prove that those words like Pandus, Parthas and Pandavas were used for Pandavas army also

1)IN THE BELOW NARRATIVE, KRITVERMA KILLED MANY OF PANDAVAS.

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-90

In the battle, the Pandavas were slaughtered by Hardikya. In that encounter, they were unable to retain their spirits and fled in all directions, bereft of their senses. 

2)IN THE BELOW NARRATIVE, SANJAYA MENTIONED PANDAVAS ARMY AS PARTHAS, HE ALSO SAID THAT DRONA KILLED MANY OF PANDUS. 

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-102

 ‘Sanjaya said, “The vyuha of the Pandavas was thus being agitated in every direction. The Parthas, the Panchalas and the Somakas retreated a great distance away. O descendant of the

Bharata lineage! A terrible encounter commenced and it made the body hair stand up, like the fierce one that causes the destruction of the universe at the end of a yuga. The powerful

Drona roared repeatedly in that battle. When the Panchalas and the Pandus were being slaughtered and decimated in that encounter, Dharmaraja Yudhishthira could not see whatshould be done.

3) HERE👇👇 KRISHNA TOLD ARJUNA THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PARTHAS WHO HAVE BEEN FRIGHTENED IN THE BATTLE

BORI CE, KARNA PARVA-43

On witnessing Karna’s valour, the Kouravas are roaring. Thousands of Parthas and Srinjayas have been frightened in the battle. In this great battle, he has whole heartedly terrified the Pandus. O one who

grants honours! Radheya is addressing all the soldiers. “

4) HERE👇👇 KURU MAHARATHAS KILLED MANY OF PANDAVAS/PARTHAS

BORI CE, SHALYA PARVA-15

Sanjaya said, “O lord! Your soldiers placed the king of Madra at their head. In that great battle, they again powerfully attacked the Parthas. Though they were afflicted, all those on your side were

intoxicated at the prospect of war. In a short while, they agitated the Parthas in many ways. While Krishna and Partha looked on, the Pandavas were slaughtered by the Kurus and were incapable of

remaining stationed there, though they were restrained by Bhima. Dhananjaya became angry at this.

5) HERE ASWTHAMA KILLED ALL OF THOSE PANDUS WHO WERE PRESENT IN THE PANDAVAS CAMP ON THE 18 NIGHT.

BORI CE, SOUPTIKA PARVA-8

Drona’s son became their destroyer. He angrily destroyed the Pandus and the Srinjayas, who were without weapons and armour. Drona’s son, supreme among strikers, dispatched them to the world of the dead. 

6) IN THE BELOW NARRATIVE, THE WORD "PANDAVAS" IS MENTIONED TWICE IN THE SAME SENTENCE THEN IT IS CLEAR THAT THE FIRST ONE IS USED FOR PANDAVAS ARMY AND THE SECOND ONE IS USED FOR TWIN PANDAVAS(NAKULA AND SAHDEVA).

Note:- The below narrative is taken from that chapter, where Karna had humiliated Yudhisthira.

BORI CE,  KARNA PARVA-33

That lord ofmen fled in shame. On seeing that the king(Yudhisthira) was departing, the Chedis, the #Pandavas, the Panchalas,

maharatha Satyaki, Droupadi’s brave sons and the #Pandavas who were the sons of Madri followed theundecaying one. On seeing that Yudhishthira’s army was unwilling to fight, Karna pursued them from the rear, together with the brave Kurus. There was the sound of conch shells and drums and the twang of bows. The sons of Dhritarashtra roared like lions.

‘ “O Kouravya! Yudhishthira swiftly climbed onto Shrutakirti’s chariot. Dharmaraja Yudhishthira saw that his strength was like that of Death and that he was slaying thousands of warriors. At this, he became angry. Instructed by the king, #all_the_maharatha_Pandavas,_with_Bhimasena at the forefront, attacked your sons. 

7) HERE👇👇 ARJUNA REFFERED HIS ARMY AS PARTHAS

BORI CE, KARNA PARVA-57

My wish is that you should drive my chariot to that maharatha. Without killing Karna in the battle, I will not retreat. O Janardana! Otherwise, while welook on in this battle, Radheya will exterminate the maharatha Parthas and Srinjayas.

8) HERE👇👇 ALL OF THOSE WARRIORS ARE MENTIONED AS PARTHAS, WHO WERE FIGHTING FOR THE PANDAVAS

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-71

‘Sanjaya said, “O king! Listen. I will describe exactly the wonderful battle that commenced between the Kurus and the Pandavas. Bharadvaja’s son was stationed at the mouth of the vyuha. In that battle, the Parthas approached and fought, seeking to penetrate Drona’s force.

Drona himself, and the soldiers, sought to protect the vyuha. They fought against the Parthas in that battle, desiring great fame. Desiring the welfare of your son, Vinda and Anuvinda from Avanti angrily struck Virata with ten arrows. O great king! While those two valiant ones and their followers were stationed in battle, Virata bravely advanced against them and fought

with them. The battle between them was terrible and blood flowed like water. It was as if a lion and two foremost elephants with shattered temples had met in the forest. Bahlika prided himself in the battle and Yajnasena’s immensely powerful son struck him with sharp and terrible arrows that were capable of penetrating the inner organs

ALL THE ABOVE NARRATIVES PROVE THAT THOSE WORDS WERE USED FOR PANDAVAS ARMY TOO.

OW LET'S SEE THAT HOW KARNA FANS ARE DEGRADING ARJUNA BY USING NONSENSE LOGIC

Karna fans claim that according to the below narrative, Arjuna was defeated by Karna.👇👇

BORI CE, KARNA PARVA-42

‘Sanjaya said, “Without any fear, the Kurus and the Srinjayas started to fight again. The Parthas had Yudhishthira at the forefront and we had Vaikartana at the forefront. There was a fierce battle between Karna and the Pandavas and it extended Yama’s kingdom and made the body hair stand up. That tumultuous battle created waves of blood. O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Only a few of the

samshaptakas remained. O great king! With Dhrishtadyumna and all the kings, the maharatha Pandavas rushed against Karna. They were cheerful and attacked in that battle, desiring victory. Alone

in that battle, Karna received them, like a mountain receives a flood of water. Having clashed against Karna, those maharathas were shattered and beaten back in all the directions, like a flood of water

against a mountain. O great king! The battle that commenced made the body hair stand up. Dhristhadyumna angrily asked Radheya to wait and struck him with an arrow with drooping tufts.

REFUTATION:- As i said earlier that the words like pandavas, pandus and parthas are used for Pandava army too. Nowhere Arjuna's name is mentioned in the above narrative then i don't know that how did Karna defeat Arjuna. Only Karna fans can create the fake defeats of Arjuna even in those battles, Where Arjuna was not present thats why people say that no one can defeat Karna fans in performing comedy

NOW LETS COME TO SOME OTHER CLAIMS BESIDES THESE FOOLISH CLAIMS REGARDING THE WORD PARTHAS, PANDAVAS AND HOW THEY WERE USED

1. CLAIM - PANDAVAS BECAME ANXIOUS ON HEARING KARN'S VOW

Refute- only yudister became anxious nowhere its written about arjun if they have guts show us that arjun was fearing karn

2)CLAIM-ARJUN FEARED KALKEYA DEMONS

REFUTE- YES ARJUN FEARED KALKEYA DEMONS BUT WHAT WERE THEY ABLE TO DO SO MANY OF THEM ON FLYING CHARIOTS AND STILL WERENT ABLE TO DEFEAT ARJUN....AND EVEN IF ARJUN GOT FEARED HERE WHY ARE KARN FANS HAPPY?? HE DIDNT GET FEARED OF KARN??

3) BHARGAVASTRA WE HAVE ALREADY DEBUNKED IN OUR LAST PART

4)They are using opinions of duryodhan to show arjun feared karn, duryodhan also said shri krishna is the most evil person

And if they beleive in all pro karn people's opinion then they also have to beleive satyaki's opinion that karn was 1/16th part of arjun

5)CLAIM- YUDISTER TELLS ARJUN FEARS KARN

REFUTE - YUDISTER NOWHERE CONFIRMS THAT ARJUN FEARED KARN , HE ONLY ASKS ARJUN WHY HAS ARJUN NOT KILLED KARN YET , NOWHERE HE TELLS ARJUN FEARED KARN

JUST LIKE ALL THE KURUS KEPT ON ASKING KARN WHEN WILL HE KILL ARJUN , AND ARJUN HAS DEFEATED KARN A LOT OF TIMES AND KARN WAS SILENT THAT MEANS KARN WAS IN FEAR OF ARJUN??

6)CLAIM - ARJUN BECAME ANXIOUS ON 17TH DAY
REFUTE - Karn also became anxious when arjun came to kill jaydrath on 14th day and arjun also achieved that feat and karn wasnt able to do anything while on 17th day arjun also acheived his feat

7. CLAIM - ARJUN ATTACKED KARN IN GROUP AND FRIGHTENED BY KARN

NARRATIVE GIVEN BY THEM-
Adiratha's son also BAFFLED the shafts of ARJUNA of supreme energy. RESISTING ARJUNA'S weapons thus by his own, Karna uttered loud shouts and SHOT MANY SHAFTS at his antagonist.

The Dhrishtadyumna and Bhima and the mighty car-warrior Satyaki, all approached Karna, and each of them pierced in with three straight shafts."

belonging to thy army and numbering by hundreds, all accomplished in smitting rushed to the spot where KARNA was FRIGHTENING HIS ASSAILANTS

NOW LIAR KARN FANS ALWAYS PROVIDE FAKE PROOFS TO DEMEAN ARJUN ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN KARN WAS RESCUED BY SATYAKI IN THAT PROOF(ATTACHING IN THE NEXT SLIDE) THEY WILLINGLY CUT THAT OFF AND SHOWED HALF BAKED NARRATIVE , YOU CAN SEE IT YOURSELF IN THE 2ND SLIDE

CONCLUSION: NOWHERE IN COMPLETE MAHABHARAT KARN FANS CAN FIND A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE ARJUN OR THE NARRATOR ACCEPTED THAT ARJUN EVER FEARED KARN