u/SeaCardiologist6207

I have to ask - what do guilters get out of these delusions and fantasies vs just a frank discussion on murder theories.

Between complaining about documentaries, music videos, blogs, podcasts or social media none of this provides any value in the slightest to the Knox discussion.

But today takes the cake with posting about Rudy being Meredith’s “boyfriend” on the side.

What productive value does this allegation have to the Kercher murder?

As Meredith’s “boyfriend” you have an obligation to call the police or call for some aid if your girlfriend is injured

Rudy owns a knife so Knox and Sollecito would be of little to no threat to him

If your story is Knox and Sollecito fled well when did they come back and how would they do a cleanup not knowing whether Rudy had called the police

This doesn’t even begin to touch on all the problems of this fantastical tale, or of the irony of no guilter pushback, but beyond these questions, what in the hell does “blaming the victim” have to do with the actual Knox Reddit or murder case?

Since we are now analyzing what people say and do, I figured we could start a new series called A Guilter Life - remembering the greatest hits from the Knox case guilter hall of fame and what they said and did - starting with a Tom Brady level “did he really compare Knox to a satanic witch?”

“Mignini always included witch fear in his murder theory, and only reluctantly relinquished it. As late as October 2008, a year after the murder, he told a court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers … should have occurred 24 hours earlier” — on Halloween itself — “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”
Eventually, Mignini’s No. 2, the chain-smoking, no-nonsense Manuela Comodi, persuaded him to drop the references to Satanism. But no one forgot about it, not the jury, not the judge, not the press, not the Perugians, not the court spectators, who could never look at Amanda without wondering whether a whiff of sulfur surrounded her.”

“Amanda Knox, an American exchange student, stabbed her British fellow student and flatmate Meredith Kercher in the neck at the culmination of a satanic rite, a prosecutor told a Perugia court yesterday.
Winding up his case against Rudy Guede, another suspect in the killing of 21-year-old Kercher last November, the prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, added that Mr Guede then strangled her while the third accused, Ms Knox's boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, held her down.”

Not that this wasn't Migninis first “Super Bowl”

“Nonetheless, in 2001, Perugia prosecutor Giulano Mignini decided that Narducci's death was part of the Monster of Florence case. Mignini claimed Narducci was a member of a satanic sect that killed women for body parts to be used in black masses, and the wealthy Perugia doctor was the keeper of those body parts. Mignini claimed Narducci was killed to keep him quiet.
Even though all the Monster's victims were shot with the same gun, Mignini told a court that it wasn't the work of a single serial killer. Rather, Mignini described an elaborate conspiracy of 20 people, including government officials and law enforcement officers, who made up a secret society behind the Monster killings.
Mignini indicted the 20 people and charged them with the concealment of Narducci's murder, and laid out a hard-to-follow plot that included body doubles and featured Narducci's body being swapped - not once, but twice!
If all of this sounds hard to believe, it is. Tuesday, in a preliminary hearing, Perugia Judge Paolo Micheli threw out the case against the 20. The judge found there was no solid evidence to back up Mignini's claim that Narducci was murdered, let alone the victim of a satanic sect.
"Mignini's malicious and completely unwarranted accusations ruined many lives and impoverished the defendants and their families," Douglas Preston, the author of "The Monster of Florence," told Crimesider. Added Mario Spezi, Preston's co-author in Italy, "The great question is: How was it possible that Mignini was able to pursue a case that everyone knew was crazy?"
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But that ignores the fact that reasonable people, including courts at different points, have concluded she bore some level of involvement or responsibility. Given the convictions, the acquittals, and the final Supreme Court language, I don’t see how anyone can reasonably claim she’s simply beyond reproach in this case.”

So let’s discuss - have at it - Amanda and Rudy raped and killed a woman - let’s discuss it. Do you actually want to have that debate or are we going to do more mop and social media analysis? Can you say his name ? Does he exist to you?

Through breathless analysis of doors, handprints, diaries, music videos, social media, interrogations, poems, improv, etc... we are always promised "this is the key to the case!" "Why don't you see it?"

So what's staring you all in the face?

Rudy Guede is the key to the case. Because he is most definitely, without a doubt, the killer and rapist of Meredith Kercher.

It amazes me that in every "key case" scenario, he somehow gets ignored. He isn't named, he isn't added to the theory, any action or evidence he left is not "key" at all

It's just something Amanda said/lied about or some action she took.

Rudy is there. He doesn't dispute it. His evidence is on Meredith's dead body. It's also inside of Meredith's dead body. No court disputes his involvement. No court defends him. So any "key" has to involve him. You have to prove somehow someway that all 3 knew each other and were willing and able to commit a crime together. Things like:

• She was leading Raff and Rudy to commit murder and ran the show, leading the murder and the coverup.
• She let Rudy in, was there outside the room while Rudy was being Rudy and just....said or did nothing.
• Knox and Sollecito were "present" somehow by showing up in the middle of the rape/murder, or showing up after the fact and deciding to do...nothing

So the real key to the case is him. Not her.

And thats why every one of these keys just borders on the fantastical, with a complete lack of plausability, logic, or finding an actual key that unlocks the door to guilt. Every key somehow doesn't involve him. You won't talk about him, tie him into the theory, present any evidence tying them together.

It's ultimately why the comedy show must go on. So keep posting more keys, more "lies", more "rulings". Good luck finding the actual key to the case staring at you right in the face.

What is recidivism? In going through the Reddit archives you see the first signs of disbelief with Rudy Guede.

• "Rudy would never be a burglar"
• "Rudy would never attack or murder a woman"
• "Rudy was transfixed by Knox and was at her bidding to do her will"

I think most logical people have realized those theories have gone down the drain at this point. But in the interest of "respecting the courts" or "telling the truth" lets make sure to keep Rudy's history alive on this Reddit. Since its World Cup season, lets use a simple soccer example of scoreboarding - i.e. take a drift back in time to 2014 and the famous score of the Germany/Brazil game....Why?

Well, recidivism. We are constantly bombarded with the idea that Knox and Sollecito are homicidal yet we are also asked to believe Knox controlled Rudy and Raff together (who don't even know each other) to commit a homicide. Yet since that fateful night, whats the actual "score of the game"?

Rudy

1. Brocchi Burglary - I mean, he ended up with his laptop and phone somehow, and went to his house to apologize for having them. You can argue he borrowed them, didn't turn up the AC to 100, or didn't drink a Fanta, but that sounds very much like a Rudy thing to do.
2. Tramantano Burglary - Often in dispute, but difficult to argue with Rudys history here. Plus Hellmann establishes it, and no other court disputes it - Rudy Guede had in fact been involved [si era reso protagonista] in burglaries in apartments or offices several times: in a legal office in Perugia, where after breaking a French window [porta finestra] located on a terrace [terrazzino] (around 3 or 4 meters in height) with a large rock, he had taken a computer and a cellular phone; in a nursery [asilo] in Milan, where a kitchen knife 40 cm in length was found in his backpack, taken from the kitchen of the nursery; and again in the residence of a Mr. Tramontano, where, upon being discovered, he had been able to escape by threatening Tramontano with a jackknife [coltello a serramanico].
3. Milan Burglary - Thats Rudy at the school. With a knife. Sleeping in the school. Very hard to argue since he was actually arrested for this crime (don't bother asking what the Perugia police did after this arrest)
4. Kercher Murder - Rudy was never "acquitted" of this actual crime like Knox. So hard to argue Rudy was just "saving lives" when no one believes his story and none of his appeals worked.
5. Kercher Sexual Assault - Thats Rudys DNA on Merediths body. Or mixed blood DNA. Or whatever disgusting act he did. Hard for him to argue its not him on her. We could ask her if it was consensual sex but...well Rudy killed her. At least according to the courts. Who we are supposed to respect.
6. New Victim Sexual Assault - And now we get to the new victim. Problem for Rudy is, of course, that 5 other people have accused you of a crime previously, one of whom is dead, with you being the last one to see your last victim alive. Kind of well...coincidental. Like...going to jail for 15+ years, getting out, then being accused of a crime similar to what you were previously convicted of. Since you know in America we call repeat sexual assaulters or batterers OJ (or just, well batterers)
7. Cat Burglary - We have to add the time Rudy killed a cat by burning down his neighbors house in a robbery to make it a clean 7-1 . I mean just read what Hellmann said about him (not in dispute) - The answer, however, is yes: the personality of Rudy Guede, as it emerges from witness statements, does not reveal any particular respect for other people. Not only had he — as recalled above — acquired experience as the perpetrator of burglaries in others’ apartments, sometimes even committed with the robbery victims present in the house (see Tramontano); not only had he not hesitated to use a knife to threaten the victim that had chased him (Tramontano again, but also in the Milan nursery he had taken possession of a 40-cm-long knife), but several times on the street, especially when he was drunk, he had importuned young women, attempting to hug and kiss them, and even the very fact (only seemingly banal; in reality very indicative of his ways) that he was in the habit of using the bathroom in other people’s houses (as a guest or as an intruder, it matters not here) to defecate or urinate without flushing afterward (on one evening this had happened on the lower floor of the house on Via Della Pergola, as reported by witness Stefano Bonassi; in the Milan nursery that he had gotten into, as alleged by Salvatori Del Prato, the children’s toilet was found dirty, despite having been surely left clean beforehand; and even on the evening of the murder, he had gone to the bathroom in the house on Via Della Pergola, leaving it dirty, to the extent that the Scientific Police was able to recover his DNA from the toilet paper)

Knox

1. Calunnia - time served of 3 years already in jail, in dispute but hey facts are facts, she was convicted of it and not formally acquitted by Italy.

So just remember - Knox and Sollecito (who you folks allege are homicidal, sexual maniacs) got out of jail and.....neither committed or were accused of any further crimes of any nature. They just turned the homicidal, sexual impulse completely off.

While Rudy...got out of jail....become a librarian....and then coincidentally got accused by another woman of committing a criminal act. All with a criminal history we know all too well prior to the night Kercher died.

Recidivism indeed

One believes Rudy is innocent of the murder and rape of Meredith Kercher.

One believes Rudy is a stone cold criminal and rapist:

Approx. 9:00 PM – 9:30 PM: At the basketball courts, Amanda and Raffaele encounter Rudy Guede. Without revealing their violent intentions, they invite him back to the cottage. Amanda manipulates the situation, suggesting to Rudy that Meredith is interested in him. Rudy, attracted to Amanda and believing he has a chance with Meredith, agrees to come.

Approx. 9:30 PM – 10:30 PM: Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudy enter the cottage. Meredith is already home. Rudy begins to make overly sexual advances toward Meredith. Amanda orchestrates this to make Meredith feel as uncomfortable as possible. Meanwhile, Amanda and Raffaele smoke marijuana in the flat.

Approx. 10:30 PM – 11:00 PM: Rudy, suffering from an upset stomach, goes to the bathroom and puts his earphones in. While he is on the toilet, an argument erupts between Amanda and Meredith, primarily because Amanda brought both Raffaele and Rudy into the home.

The Attack:

The argument turns physical. Meredith punches Amanda, causing her nose to bleed.
Meredith retreats to her room, locks the door, and begins dialing numbers on her phone for help.
Rudy, hearing the commotion, rushes out of the bathroom without flushing, his pants down. He forces entry into Meredith's room and wrestles the phone away from her.
Both Rudy and Amanda draw knives. While Raffaele watches, Rudy molests Meredith, and Amanda begins to cut and torture her.
Under Amanda's orders, Rudy stabs Meredith while Amanda makes the fatal cut to her throat.

Approx. 11:30 PM: A loud, agonizing scream is heard by multiple witnesses (including neighbors like Nara Capezzali). The attackers realize they have been heard and panic.

Approx. 11:40 PM – 11:50 PM: The trio flees the house. Rudy removes his blood-stained shoes in the bathroom before escaping. During the frantic exit, Amanda realizes she lost an earring in the struggle. Believing it to be under Meredith's bed, she retrieves a lamp from her own room to search for it, but leaves the lamp behind in the panic. She grabs Meredith’s two cell phones to prevent anyone from calling them.

Approx. 11:50 PM – 12:00 AM (Nov 2): While fleeing back to Raffaele's flat, Amanda tosses Meredith’s phones into the garden of a nearby house (where they are discovered the next morning).

Now they have formed the greatest tag team since Dennis Rodman/Hollywood Hogan joining the NWO.

Excited to see how this fairy tale guilter alliance ends. And to be clear it’s a simple question - why do guilters support commenters who are directly contradicting their stated theories of the case? Do you all hate Knox that much?

See we are starting down the Supreme Court path of "well they said they were there". Gems like this:

• It shows me you wouldn’t respect any judgment which doesn’t follow your own biased, narrow view of the case.

So in the interest of discussion and comments, lets examine this decision for other "key highlights" we need to respect in the Supreme Courts judgement....Such as these...

Seems...well bad for your girl Stef

• Just consider, in this regard, the modalities of retrieval, sampling and conservation of the two items of major investigative interest in the present judgment: the kitchen knife (item n. 36) and the brassiere hook of the victim (item n. 165/B), regarding to which, during the process, the conduct of the investigators was qualified as lacking in professionalism (f. 207). The big knife or kitchen knife, retrieved in Sollecito’s house and considered as the weapon of the crime, had been kept in a common cardboard box, very similar to the ones used to pack Christmas gadgets, like the diaries normally given to local authorities by credit institutes.
• More singular – and unsettling – is the fate of the brassiere hook. Observed during the first inspection of the scientific police, the item had been ignored and left there, on the floor, for some time (46 days), until, during a new search, it was finally picked up and collected. It is sure that, during the period of time between the inspection in which it was observed and when it was collected, there had been other accesses by the investigators, who turned the room upside down in a search for elements of evidence useful to the investigation. The hook was maybe stepped on or moved (enough to be retrieved on the floor in a different place from where it was firstly noticed). And also, the photographic documentation produced by Sollecito’s defense demonstrates that, during the sampling, the hook was passed hand in hand between the operators who, furthermore, wore dirty latex gloves. Questioned on the reasons for the absence of a prompt sampling, the official of the scientific police, doc. Patrizia Stefanoni, declared that, initially, the collection of the hook was not focused on because the team had already collected all the clothes of the victim. Therefore, no importance was attributed to that little detail, even if, in common perception, that fastening is the part of major investigative interest, being manually operable and, therefore, a potential carrier of biological traces useful for the investigation.

There goes your guilter magic cleanup theory...

• To overcome the inconvenience of such negative element - unequivocally favorable to the current appellants – it has been sustained, in vain, that, after the theft simulation the perpetrators of the crime carried out a “selective” cleaning of the environment, in order to remove only the traces referable to them, while still leaving those attributable to others. The assumption is manifestly illogical. To appreciate, in full, the amount of disparity it is not necessary to carry out an expert investigation ad hoc, even if requested by the defense. Such a cleanup would be impossible according to common-sense rules of ordinary experience, an activity of targeted cleaning capable of avoiding luminol examinations which are in commonplace use by investigators (also used to highlight different traces, not just hematic ones). After all, the same assumption of an asserted precision in the cleaning is shown to be wrong in point of fact, considering that “in the little bathroom” hematic traces on the bathmat, on the bidet, on the faucet, on the cotton buds box, and on the light switch were found. And also, in a case of guilt of the current appellants, certainly they would have had enough time for an accurate cleaning, in the sense that there wouldn't be any reasons for hurry that would have animated any other perpetrator of the crime who would probably be worried about the possible arrival of other persons. In fact, Knox, was well aware of the absence of Romanelli and Mezzetti from the house and she knew that they would have not returned home that night, therefore there would have beenall the necessary time for an accurate cleaning of the house.

Oh no, there goes your luminol....

• Also manifestly illogical, in this regard, is the argument of the trial judge who (at f.186) assumes that he could overrule the defense objection in relation to circumstances in which the luminescent bluish reaction caused by the luminol is also produced in the presence of substances different from blood (for example, detergent residues, fruit juices and others), on the assumption that that, even if theoretically exact, would have to be “contextualized” in the sense that if the fluorescence manifests itself in an environment involving a homicide, the luminol reaction can only be attributed to hematic traces. The weakness of this, even at first sight, doesn’t require any notation, and it would furthermore require the assumptions that the house in via della Pergola was never subject to cleaning or that it was not ever lived in. This analysis permits us therefore to exclude, categorically, that hematic traces were removed on that particular occasion.

Now there goes your screaming...

• Within the reconstruction of the crime, then, it was not taken in account that witnesses Capezzalie and Monachia located the harrowing scream that they heard at a time around 11 11.30 PM. However, Ms. Capezzali was contradicted by other witnesses, residents of the area, who declared they didn’t hear anything

You are respecting and cheering the Supreme Court while at the same time they are totally eviscerating the police and prosecution as a bunch of incompetents. You also are cheering them on for releasing 2 people you believe are homicidal maniacs out into the wilds of America and Italy to commit more homicides, which strangely and coincidentally they have never done again.

So if you demand "respect" for judgments, make sure you "respect" the whole judgment of an acquittal, and why they were acquitted. Please and thank you.

It pains me to say that I can consider myself somewhat of a "Guede" expert by way of constantly reminding guilters about him - since they won't mention his name, his role in the rape and murder of Meredith Kercher, or his new "accusations".

But I see we now have a new strain of "why would Rudy do such things in the first place"?

Look, folks, most crooks don't get out of jail and commit a new crime right away. They don't want to make it that obvious that .... you know ... they are an actual criminal. They especially try to avoid committing the same crime they went to jail for in the first place. So .... it doesn't show much for the power of rehabilitation when you get out of jail and immediately commit a crime (rape and sexual assault), which you were previously accused and convicted of. As Rudy did.

Just like it doesn't make any sense for the homicide investigator in the Kercher case to be accused of being a bully in interrogations.....and then go bully their child's therapist.

Or the prosecutor in the Kercher case to be accused of spouting incoherent Satanic theories or murder.......in multiple cases.

This is your crew. This is who you have to account for in your theory, and defend, and "fit in" to your story.

When your argument with Rudy is "why would he do this," just remember - the dude says he wrote on the wall in Meredith's blood. The dude told his friends he used to walk around in fugue states. The dude's story is that he was there for a booty call of the woman he killed. The dude literally tried to save a woman's life (his words) with towels and then went disco dancing and then fled to another country.

Asking "how is Rudy a burglar?" is up there with history's dumbest questions. So stop pretending you don't know the truth.

If you strip away the tabloid drama, the manufactured motives, and the media circus, the Meredith Kercher case actually boils down to some very basic crime scene physics. When you look purely at the spatial dynamics and the forensic transfer of the murder room, it is physically impossible to support the prosecution's theory that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were involved.

Here is what the actual crime scene physics tell us about Rudy Guede vs. Amanda Knox:

1. The Physics of a Struggle
   Meredith fought for her life in a very confined space. If we believe the prosecution's theory that three people (Guede, Knox, and Sollecito) restrained and attacked her, the physical transfer of evidence would be massive. In a violent, close-quarters struggle, hair, sweat, skin cells, fibers, and blood are exchanged dynamically in all directions.
   What was found: A massive biological footprint left by one person: Rudy Guede. His DNA was inside the victim. His bloody handprints were on the pillow underneath her body. His bloody shoeprints tracked directly out of the room. 
   What was missing: Absolutely zero trace of Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito in that room. No hair, no skin cells under Meredith's nails, no fibers from their clothing, and no footprints in the blood. The idea that Knox and Sollecito could participate in a bloody, close-range murder and leave zero physical trace of themselves—while Guede left a mountain of it—defies basic forensic science. You cannot selectively "clean" a crime scene of your own DNA while perfectly preserving the DNA and bloody footprints of a third party. 

2. The "Double-DNA" Knife Defies Reality
   The prosecution's supposed murder weapon was a kitchen knife found miles away in Sollecito's drawer. The police claimed it had Amanda’s DNA on the handle and Meredith’s on the blade. 
   The Physical Reality: The knife’s blade didn't even match the physical dimensions of the primary stab wounds. Furthermore, independent forensic experts later proved there was absolutely no blood on the blade. The trace DNA was so minimal it was textbook laboratory contamination (which the Italian Supreme Court later confirmed). You cannot violently stab someone, wash the knife so perfectly clean that it removes all blood proteins, but somehow leave microscopic, unamplifiable DNA intact.

3. The Bra Clasp and Contamination Dynamics
   The only piece of evidence ever linking Sollecito to the murder room was a trace amount of DNA on Meredith's cut bra clasp. 
   The Physical Reality: The clasp was photographed on day one but left on the floor for 46 days before investigators finally collected it. By the time they picked it up, it had been kicked around the room (it was found 4 feet away from its original location in the crime scene photos) and collected with visibly dirty gloves. Basic forensic physics dictates that biological material degrades and cross-contaminates in an unsecured environment. Independent experts later found DNA from at least three other unknown males on that exact same clasp.

 

The Bottom Line
Crime scenes tell a story through physical transfer. The story here is that a known burglar with a history of breaking and entering (Guede) broke in, attacked Meredith, left his biological material everywhere, stepped in her blood, and fled.
To believe Knox and Sollecito were there requires believing in magic: that they floated above the floor, completely avoided transferring any DNA during a horrific struggle, and executed an impossible targeted cleanup. When you follow the actual physical evidence, Rudy Guede is the only one in that room.

“Despite the horror in Perugia, Mr Sollecito was happy to revisit with Ms Knox. He said: “There was also something very light about it, Ms Knox saying ‘Why don’t we go back to Gubbio?’ She was saying we can go after all this time with her family and I could see they were planning a lot to do there.
“It was bitter-sweet to go back as we were supposed to go there in such different circumstances, but it was just nice for us to be able to talk about something that wasn’t the case.”

Can anyone confirm when Rudy Guedes bus to prison is departing this year?

Rather than waste time typing responses out for the same comedy act that the new batch of guilters have created, let’s just go to an actual fact based post shall we?

https://www.reddit.com/r/amandaknox/s/D9a76kHR8U

“The idea, of course, is that the two were caught unawares and had no intention of calling the police until they had to. But does it hold up?

I’m sure it won’t surprise you that the answer is no.

First of all, that Raffaele made the calls between 12:51:40 and 12:55:36 is absolutely certain. The phone records are clear. The 12:35 arrival time for the postal police, however, is solely based on the report by Battistelli. According to him, he looked at his watch and remembered the time when he wrote his report later. Marsi admitted on the stand that they had reconstructed the times afterwards.”

1. ⁠No killing.
2. ⁠No stealing.
3. ⁠No misuse of sex.
4. ⁠No engaging in false speech.
5. ⁠Not indulging in intoxicants.

What gets lost in a lot of the guilter posts lately is the "crew" angle. It's all "Look at the evidence". Or "Look at what she said"

This is your crew. Look at them.

This is who you want us to believe.

This is who you think is competent to collect and process evidence.

This is who you think presents a competent and coherent theory.

You want to bring up "Kate Mansey" when Kate thinks your crew is a bunch of idiots.

You want to blame "PR offensives" or "Italian Supreme Courts" when it's just the PR pointing out "your crew" or the Supreme Court highlighting "your crew"

Your crew couldn't show up at a police or scientific conference without being laughed out of the building.

There are no fawning media profiles, no social media, no podcasts, no anything. They are just lost to the dustbin of history as a bunch of nitwits.

And to rub salt in the wound, the very person they couldn't possibly believe would kill and rape Meredith Kercher gets out of jail and starts down the path of rape and assault again.

And yes, we can talk about "the crew" on the "Amanda Knox reddit" because this is the crew that messed up not just Knox's life but Kercher's too.

So the next time you want to argue social media, "evidence", "confessions", or whatever suits your fancy.....just remember them.

We already know you won't type Guede's name. But please, for once, remember "your crew"

When you folks refuse to acknowledge the existence of Rudy Guede as a person, present no coherent or sustainable theory consistently in unison about how Knox and Sollecito committed a gruesome murder and sexual assault with Rudy Guede , and refuse to acknowledge how abhorrent it looks for him to get out of jail and beat his girlfriend up, then there is not a whole ton that can be discussed. I like to call this "intellectual madness".

It's not helping you in the court of public opinion that as soon as Rudy is released from jail, he gets right to beating and assaulting women. Because people care far more about that than whether someone wrote a book or did a TV series.

The whole focus on Knox as the villain as if somehow she committed this crime all by herself is why you all keep falling down the hill. All you folks do is hide behind the excuse that "the name on the door is the Amanda Knox Reddit" and we all know the drill from there. We can't discuss Rudy Guede, Patrizia Stefanoni, Napoleoni, anyone. Just Amanda.

If we changed the name of the Reddit to "KercherMurder" would you all suddenly wake up and start actually talking about the Guedster? Or Stef? Or the incompetence? Or anyone?

If you want to compare carrying a pocket knife or writing a poem to literally beating women or fucking up evidence collection in a high profile murder case, hey, be our guest. But as long as you have to carry the weight of Rudy, Stefanoni, Mignini, and the whole cast of characters up the hill like Sisyphus, the descent into intellectual bankruptcy will continue apace.

There is a place and a time when people would be glad to have coherent discussions about a murder case. There are valid points about Amanda lying, Amanda being suspicious, Amanda demanding the spotlight, evidentiary concerns, etc...

But this isn't it. Its watching a descent into madness . And its well worth the laughs just for that.

I see my friend u/Etvos2 is posting about some guilter rando acting like a misogynistic moron, and that we are stressing about banning Reddit randos posting every day. And I all I can say is - who cares?

To me, let them post. And don't even try to post long refutals to it. Just laugh at them. Argue for comedic value. Point them to the 7000 Reddit posts long ago that have gone over these points.

Don't ban it. Embrace it.

You have facts on your side. And overwhelming public opinion. And overwhelming scientific expert opinion. They can try all their "Kercher victim" cards and try to make you "feel bad" because "they care" about her. But we all know the truth.

And of course, guilters have to carry Rudy Guede's water. And the Perugia police. And Mignini. And Stefanoni. It never gets old for laughs to watch them try to just ignore a shit ton of other people because "this is the Amanda Knox Reddit" and to squirm their way out of it.

I mean, we could do the same thing. We could imagine Amanda showing the ridiculous guilter theories in the Hulu series Grace Van Patten doing magic cleanups. Or post Migninis greatest press hits or Satan theories. Or remind people that Napoleoni and Ficarra are crooks. Or do a "Meet Felice, town police idiot" expose. Or do a "3rd Grade Biology with Patrizia Stefanoni" series. Or post endlessly about "did they really use a heroin addict with sanity problems as their witness". Or post endlessly about what any reputable, sane scientific expert thinks happened here.

But why bother? Let them cook. And look, I totally get it can be infuriating to read it all. Just postulate that:

• Knox will not commit another crime again in her life.
• Sollecito will not commit another crime again in her life.
• Guede has already committed another serious crime after being released from prison.
• Guede is highly likely to commit another serious crime again in his life.
• No serious DNA or scientific expert supports Patrizia Stefanoni or the Perugia police in this case.
• Knox cannot be tried for this case again.
• Sollecito cannot be tried for this case again.

If they want to invent theories or dissect diaries or Hulu scripts, have at it. We need the fun of it to keep the Reddit going. Because again, no guilter is going to be able to show up here for the next 30 years saying "look what I found" or "Told you Knox was a criminal".

Have fun with it. Get a laugh. Get three laughs. Amandas show audiences are too.