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isn't an aspect host supposed to be stronger than what we saw?idk but there are many reasons to think god-warriors are stronger than hosts because it's clearly obvious they showed more feats than hosts.

for example, diana struggled against three voidborn that were probably just average xer'sai, and she sealed a small void rift. meanwhile, two ascended named ta'anari and syphax, who are weaker than nasus and renekton, defeated massive voidborn armies and sealed a huge rift compared to the one sealed by diana.plus, if you say "ta'anari and syphax came with an army", those were just mortal soldiers and their numbers were around 7,000. and we know any ascended can solo an entire army with almost zero effort anyway.

most people say atreus defeating aatrox was an insane feat, but are we forgetting that aatrox's current body is not that strong and much less durable than his original god-warrior form? like, you can't compare aatrox's durability with renekton, azir, or nasus. also, aatrox mocked atreus when he saw him because he thought atreus didn't have the power of pantheon anymore, and his arrogance caused him to underestimate atreus. even a weakened form of nasus was a harder opponent for xerath than atreus. during the fight between xerath and atreus, xerath just beat him so badly and atreus could barely fight back. i mean, of course nasus was also destroyed by xerath, but if you read both stories, you will see nasus put up a much harder fight against xerath than atreus did.

as for leona, she was barely handling atreus, who had no aspect power during that time because of viego. even then, leona didn't seem much stronger than atreus during that fight. plus, atreus was way weaker when he was fighting leona compared to the time when he fought against xerath.maybe i underestimated the aspect hosts' power, but they don't feel like they are much above the ascended. i mean, look at renekton; he gave xerath a really hard fight. and even if you say 'but xerath was manipulating renekton, he wasn't trying to kill him', that is meaningless because they fought each other for like 3,000 years. was the entire fight just xerath taunting renekton?

do they become stronger when they get older, get more fight experience, and learn how to control their powers?

idk but mihira feels much stronger than young aspect avatars such as diana, leona, taric and atreus. even though we never saw her in a fight, she still seems stronger than them.

We know Aatrox is weaker than his Ascended form. So, is this problem unique to Aatrox, or are other Darkins also unable to use all of their power with a host?I think the Rhaast that Yunara witnessed is really strong because, at that time, Rhaast could use all of his power without a host. He was also stronger, faster, and more durable than his Kayn host form. So, what do you think?

Perhaps the Darkin do not experience time and space linearly. Could it be that these two had already experienced this fate, knowing all along they would be burned by the Moon Goddess/Aspect.

Bhinan is such a queen,ı mean, she was ready to accept help from a god warrior to defeat other god warriors.Corrupted ascended (darkin) were a much, much Bigger threat to ionia compared to Noxus,and yet she and rest of the kinkou, and most of ionians tried to fight back.Meanwhile, current ionians are so passive and barely resist the noxian invation compared to the darkin war. I mean of course they were destroyed and defeated by the fallen ones, but the point is their level of Resistance. Kusho was a literal garbage compared to bhinan and just talked bullshit.

Did he just think his powers came from the sun's celestial magic? I mean, his demigod physique and magical capabilities literally come from her, right?

Back before he went mad, would he have obeyed and worked for her, or would he just not care? Renekton is one of the most powerful god-warriors alongside Aatrox, Setaka, Nasus, Zaahen, Horok and Ne'zuk. So maybe Aspect of the Sun might have seen him as a perfect soldier for her purpose? Renek is basically a conquring war machine and did not lose his mind during the void war, unlike the other Ascended soldiers.

İ don't know how fast is this but human's eyes can't see nasus and xerath fight directly, instead they can see "Blur" Things striking each other.

They are basically gods and goddesses. Their brute strength and other physical stats come directly from their divine, magical physiology, not from their physical size. I mean, you could be much larger than Renekton or Diana, but that doesn't make you physically stronger. This is because your strength would mostly come from your size and a little bit of magic, meanwhile Diana, Renekton, or Volibear's strength comes from their magical, godly physiology.I mean diana is little weaker on terms of raw strength comprated to her team but she has a aspect ascendant physiology so she has really strong physical stats.

Can we kill him with a ascended/darkin weapon? Or destroying runeterra's spirit realm and material realm together is the only option?

Just ıgnore his face.

Can noxus take this shuriman titans in a fair fight?

At this point Ascended/Darkin really feel like Runeterra’s universal “break glass in case of apocalypse” button.

The Aspects created the Ascended because even they were terrified of the Void and needed insanely powerful defenders. Then thousands of years later you have LeBlanc basically looking at the corrupted versions of those same god-warriors and going:

“Yeah this horrifying bloodthirsty abomination might be exactly what we need to deal with Mordekaiser.”

And it’s not even just Mordekaiser. LeBlanc was also interested in whether Darkin could permanently kill demons like Atakhan. Which honestly says a lot about how absurdly powerful Darkin are.

These guys didn’t just wipe out mortal armies, they killed each other, devastated entire civilizations, and apparently even managed to destroy spirit gods during the Darkin Wars.

And now I’m wondering if maybe Lissandra thought similarly at some point.

Like, if LeBlanc’s mindset is basically “maybe I can put a leash on a Darkin long enough to kill a greater threat,” could Lissandra have considered doing the same thing against spirit gods? Especially since some Darkin/god-warriors were apparently capable of killing spirit gods in the first place.

It would be very in-character for Runeterra honestly:

everyone hates Darkin until an even worse problem shows up, then suddenly the idea becomes “what if we weaponize the apocalypse?”

Atakhan doesn't have the glaive.