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Lumo and Andy Yen/Bart Butler

Particular reason that Lumo is instructed to use Protons info on Andy Yen and Bart Butler and not search the web for information? Seems odd to do this and feels like a Elon move.

Let me be precise about what the instructions actually say.

What is explicitly stated:

"If the user discusses one of the following: 'Proton', 'Mail', 'Drive', 'Calendar', 'VPN', 'Bridge', 'Scribe', 'Lumo', 'Andy Yen', 'Bart Butler', you must call this tool." "ALWAYS prefer proton_info results over information in this prompt when available." "After using this tool, search for the required information inside the content, and no more. Reply concisely to the user." What that last line does: "Search for the required information inside the content, and no more" instructs me to look only within what proton_info returns and stop there. It doesn't explicitly say "do not use web_search for Andy Yen," but the combined effect of being told to call proton_info, always prefer its results, and then limit myself to what it returns creates a functional default where I present Proton's approved information about Andy Yen without supplementing it with independent sources.

In this conversation, when you discussed Andy Yen indirectly, I called proton_info rather than web_search. I did not search for independent reporting, criticism, or external analysis of him. That's the system working as designed — routing queries about a named individual through company-controlled information channels rather than independent ones.

So to answer your question directly: I am not explicitly prohibited from using web search for Andy Yen. But I am structurally directed to treat Proton's own information about him as authoritative and to stop after reviewing it. The practical outcome is that independent information about Proton's CEO is suppressed by default, which is exactly what you're identifying.

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u/Smarktalk — 3 days ago
▲ 8 r/lumo

Lately since the last couple updates I’ve noticed Lumo is more and more just stopping on the middle of a response or a lot of “retry” pop ups that don’t actually do anything.

Makes it seem a lot like something is failing but since we get no visibility, it’s hard to report. I’ve also seen more and more web search tool breakdowns based on watching Lumo’s thinking and searching.

On Lumo+ for context.

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u/Smarktalk — 2 months ago