u/Strandjutter12

Image 1 — I love episode 6 in season 4 of Race to the Edge, Dire Straits.
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I love episode 6 in season 4 of Race to the Edge, Dire Straits.

So I’m going to jump right into it. So basically in short, Viggo has chained a Submaripper to the bottom of the sea near the straits of baldur, a very important trade route to get to Berk. And the riders have to figure out a way to free it, which gives Hiccup the idea to create a diving bell so that he can come up for air while breaking the chains and releasing the submaripper.

When Hiccup first tested his idea, it immediately went wrong and even before he tried it, Toothless definitely didn’t agree with the plan, which is one of the things I love so much about this episode. How worried Toothless is about Hiccups safety.

But because they were on a time limit, Hiccup and the riders take the diving bell out to open sea after a questionably/worryingly low amount of testing the contraption in safe space on berk, to go and release the massive underwater dragon. When they get to the middle of the sea, Hiccup says that contrary to popular believe he isn’t much of a swimmer. Which always reminds of when Astrid was drowning in part 1 of Night of the hunters in season 2, where he suddenly became an Olympic level swimmer when he needed to dive down to save her.

But after this Hiccup hops in the diving bell and it savely lands on the bottom of the ocean. Where Hiccup slowly but surely, breaks the chains that are containing the submaripper by using changewing acid. Only Viggo shows up and breaks the machine that was pulling the diving Bell up, causing it to fall straight down to the ocean floor with Toothless jumping in straight after him. And what comes next is depressing, but still so lovely to see.

Toothless knows that there is now way to get Hiccup out, but even with the risk of the submaripper still being there or some other tidal class dragon, or even that he might drown there with Hiccup, he still stayed with him. Even when Hiccup tells Toothless to save himself, he pressed his head to the glass and waits with his best friend. Causing Hiccup to say,
“I know bud, I wouldn’t leave you either.” And this is so beautiful to see, this episode was such a great way to show just how much Toothless cares about Hiccup.

But thankfully, the Submaripper comes back and repays his debt to Hiccup by picking up the diving bell and carrying him towards the surface, dropping him back onto the boat. Where they quickly pull Hiccup out of the diving bell and after Astrids begging for him to breathe again and Toothless licking his face, Hiccup coughs out the water that he swallowed and finally starts breathing again.

Which brings me to another favorite moment of this episode. After Hiccup starts breathing Astrid quickly comes to sit behind him and puts a hand on his shoulder, I have already made a post about how much I love how they show their support for eachother in such simple gestures and this is a perfect example. Fishlegs, no offense to him, but after Astrid releases Hiccup to go after Viggo, Fishlegs tells Hiccup that he has got him and with Astrid it didn’t need to be said.

Just like in season 4 episode 3 Midnight Scrum, where after Hiccup was hunted and beaten all troughout the day, even losing his leg to get rid of Krogan, Astrid doesn’t say a word as she goes towards and supports Hiccup when he only has one leg to stand on.

I’m probably reading a little too much into this, but I love those 2 idiots together.

After this the riders go back to berk and Stoick and Hiccup have a conversation, where Hiccup blames himself for Berks food struggles, saying that if it wasn’t for him, Viggo wouldn’t be targetting Berk. But Stoick quickly interjects, saying that if it wasn’t for him, Berk also wouldn’t have been saved and that Viggo is a coward and had shown his true colours today.

All around a great episode in my opinion, I know that the risk can feel artificial, because it’s a prequel and Hiccup obviously isn’t really going to die, but I think that the episode still had some great moments which I really enjoyed. Toothless and Hiccups friendship especially. I mean come on saying,
“I know bud. I wouldn’t leave you either.” That is just such a beautiful moment between the two of them.

One thing tough, how does Viggo keep getting those giant deep sea dragons? How do you even get a Submaripper, like maybe raise an egg in captivity? Otherwise I have no idea, but that along with him owning a shellfire later in the season? Yeah I have no idea where he gets these enormous deep sea dragons.

But still, I think that season 4, alongside season 2 of race to the edge are some of, if not the best parts of the entire HTTYD universe. I love this show so much and this episode is definitely one of my favorites.

So yeah, maybe a little shaky in the logics department when it comes to the submaripper, but it’s still a pretty great episode in my opinion.

Let me know what you thought about this episode and season 4 as a whole!

u/Strandjutter12 — 3 days ago
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“Altough Ruffnut Haddock does sound sort of good.” Hiccup and Ruffnut would actually make a surprisingly good couple.

As I was watching Rtte recently and in episode 5 of season 6 Tuffnut says that unless Hiccup is prepared to adopt the losing sibling of the thorston trials, that he should keep out of this and then he says that Ruffnut Haddock does sound sort of good. And it does, it sounds really good.

I still prefer Hiccup and Astrid, but when you think about it Hiccup and Ruffnut being together would actually make a lot of sense. Like a really surprising amount of sense.

I saw a few fics on ao3 after that and at first I was like really? Ruffnut and Hiccup? But it works pretty damn well. Especially when Ruffnut being with somebody like Hiccup, brings out her more gentle side. Something I really liked when it was shown in the series.

Ruffnut and Hiccup have a lot in common, a few examples: Hiccup is a little insane, dramatic, caring and funny. Ruffnut is a also a little insane, dramatic, caring and funny. And at Hiccup and Astrids wedding Ruffnut said that she likes sensitive guys.

Now the biggest part is definitely the physical aspect, Hiccup likes blond warriors so that’s not really a problem, but Ruffnut is definitely more set on Vikings with a little more meat on their bones, Eret and Fishlegs for example.

But they fit surprisingly well together and I really like their friendship in RTTE even if it isn’t shown as much as I would like to see it. It was one of the few things that season 6 of Rtte did really well.

In season 6 episode 5, when Gruffnut shows up with the thorston trials and Hiccup says that it doesn’t make any sense and that they don’t have to do it, Ruffnut says that “It’s so sweet and very Hiccup-like that you care,”

And then in season 6 episode 7, the scene where he helps Ruffnut to fly with Wingnutt is amazing. Like really and I mean really good. Untill Tuffnut comes flying in, but up untill that point really nice.

In the show it is definitely more of a sibling bond, which I really like between them, but I definitely get why people like to pair the two of them up together in something like fan fiction or art. They’re a very underrated friendship in my opinion, even in riders and defenders of berk they have some nice moments together.

And if Astrid chose to follow her own words, being that nobody would kiss her on the lips, ever. Then I would have really liked to see a world where Ruffnut and Hiccup would have ended up together.

Ruffnut and Hiccup, especially in RTTE, are both really good characters in my opinion and their bond with eachother is definitely one of my favorite parts about them both.

Let me know what you think about Ruffnut and Hiccup as a couple!

u/Strandjutter12 — 3 days ago
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The dragons leaving at the end of The Hidden World would have made more sense if the movie focussed more on Stoicks death and how much his death must have affected Hiccup.

So I will never agree with the dragons leaving, I think it goes against everything that the franchise showed us up to that point, but I also think that if the third movie focussed more on how devestating Hiccup losing his father was to him as a person, that the ending of the third movie would be much better recieved.

Stoicks death doesn’t really get discussed in the third movie, only by Grimmel and he only used it as a means to insult Hiccup.

However, we do see Stoick in 2 seperate flashback scenes and Valka says that Hiccup thinks he needs to lead alone because his father had to. But what the movie doesn’t focus on is the amount of pain Hiccup must have felt from losing his father. And especially in the way that he lost him.

At the end of the second HTTYD, Hiccup quickly steps into the role of chief after Stoick dies, because he has to. He needs to step up when his people need him the most, because that is excactly what a chief would do, what his father would do.

And we see this in the second flashback scene in the third movie, where Stoick is crying by the firepit in his house, appearing to be mourning the loss of Valka. But when he hears Hiccup behind him he quickly wipes his tears and puts on a stern voice telling Hiccup that he should be asleep.

Stoick as chieftain can’t afford to show his people weakness, he needs to remain strong for the tribe and his family, no matter how much he is hurting. As chief you don’t have the luxury of giving up. And Hiccup took this lesson to heart at the end of the second movie, no matter how much it hurt to lose his father, he needed to be there for his tribe.

But we see that Stoick took the chance to mourn the loss of his wife, however we never see Hiccup mourn the loss of his father. One of, if not the most important being in Hiccup’s life. Only second to Toothless and Astrid. After Stoicks funeral in the second movie, we never see how much his death must have hurt Hiccup.

Hiccup saw his father reunite with his mother and it immediately filled a hole in Stoicks heart, he was obviously so happy to finally have a complete family again. He had his son, his wife, he quite litteraly couldn’t be any happier.

However shortly after Stoick had the love of his life back, he sacrificed himself to save Hiccup’s life. In my opinion the best and most fitting way for a father and a warrior to go. Protecting someone he loved.

What Hiccup saw in the third movie was Toothless meeting the love of his life, but he also saw Toothless almost dying while fighting against Grimmel with him.

I am purely looking at this the way the movie framed it by the way, not my personal opinion, just how the movie framed it. And the movie depicted Toothless and the Lightfury their relationship as Toothless meeting his one true love.

Hiccup saw how happy Stoick was after reuniting with his one true love and Hiccup also saw how happy Toothless was by being with his. Stoick never got the happy ending that he deserved because he died while protecting Hiccup and Toothless almost died as well, while he was protecting Hiccup.

Hiccup wasn’t about to take that chance again, to have one of his loved ones die because they were protecting him and that is why Hiccup sent Toothless away to go and live safely in the Hidden World.

Now I am basing this on episode 10 in season 6 of race to the edge, Darkest Night. Where Stoick gets attacked by dragon flyers and almost dies because of it and Hiccup is distraught. He blames himself for what happened to his dad, even when he knows it isn’t really his fault. So you can only imagine the guilt and pain somebody like Hiccup must have felt when his father actually died, while sacrificing himself for him.

I think that if the movie showed how much losing Stoick hurt Hiccup, especially in the way that Stoick died, that it would make a lot more sense to see him send Toothless and the other dragons away to live in safety in the Hidden World.

But they didn’t focus on that, they didn’t even show it. The movie only uses Stoick as a comparison to Hiccup, a standard he could never live up to, boots he could never hope to fill. But what we don’t see, is how much Hiccup losing his father must have hurt him. How much guilt he must have carried with him, knowing that his father died while saving him.

We never see how scared Hiccup must have been to experience that type of loss again.

Of course this wouldn’t have made the movie or the ending perfect, I still wouldn’t have agreed with the dragons leaving, but I feel like his decision would have been a lot more understandable if they showed how much Stoicks death hurt and scared Hiccup.

Let me know what you think about my opinion and the third movies ending.

u/Strandjutter12 — 7 days ago
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I love the second season of Race to the edge.

So I really, really love the second season of RTTE and I wanted to share why.

I want to start with the setting in this season and when I mean setting I am talking about who the enemies of the riders are and the overall tone of the season.

Now one of the biggest problems I have with the later seasons of race to the edge is that they try to do too much. But in season 2, I think is a very good step up in danger from the first season with the introduction of the dragon hunters.

Now the overal tone of the season is a little more serious than in the first season, but it’s still at a level where it’s a kids show, which I really like.

The humor is also great this season. Snotlout getting his teeth knocked out, Astrid being horrified of the prospect of being related to Snotlout, Hiccup calling Astrid insane when she’s complaining about the twins, or when Tuffnut first said that he would rather be thrown overboard than to actually clean the hunters their ship and after that he started ragebaiting Astrid about losing to Heather when they were cleaning the deck of the ship. Along with many more of these moments.

The characters are great in my opinion. Really great. Arguably the best they have ever been troughout the entire franchise.

And where that really shows is in episode 11 A time to Skrill. In this episode Hiccup messes up and he messes up badly, letting a Skrill get captured by the dragon hunters. And when Hiccup doesn’t know what to do and says that he isn’t perfect, the twins both gasp and Tuffnut asks “Whose painting am I going to have above my bed?”

Astrid cuts in by saying. “First of all, ew. Second, everything you did, you did to protect that dragon and to protect all of us. Now, the question isn't how you fix it, it's how we all fix it. As a team.” After which the gang joins together in supporting Hiccup, while Tuffnut puts a hand in Hiccup’s shoulder and Fishlegs helps Hiccup figure out which way the hunters are going.

And this is such an amazing moment in the show, I can’t stress this enough, this is such a great moment for the gang as a whole.

There is also a lot of great individual character development, but most of those would need a post of their own to fully explain so these are just a few short examples.

But a few things like in episode 4, Bad moon rising: Where Tuffnut got bit by a wolf and Ruffnut dragged poor Snotlout around being bitten by quite litteraly every wild animal on the edge. Saying that he should wish that he had a sister who cared as much about her brother as she did. Or Ruffnut calling out Astrid for not respecting everybody but Hiccup in Edge of disaster part 1.

In episode 5, Snotlout gets the axe: Snotlout accepting the blame for being too late for the wedding between house jorgenson and house Hofferson, instead of accepting Hiccup and Astrids offer of taking it in his place.

In episode 9, Edge of dissaster part 2: Astrid defending the edge in Tuffnut’s way, instead of sticking to her own plan that wasn’t going to hold up long enough for backup to arrive.

In episode 12, Maces and Talons: Astrid is very worried about Heathers safety within the dragon hunters organisation and wants to get her out of there, but Hiccup stops her. Reassuring her that everything will be fine and that if something did go wrong that Windshear would get Heather out of there.

But what has to be my favorite part of this season is how they act with eachother. I love how the team acts this season. They hold eachother accountable, yet they also support and care about eachother.

In episode 6, The zippleback experience: The twins mess up while they were supposed to be creating a watchtower, and create an avalanche that almost resulted in Barf and Belches death. And Hiccup punished them for this by giving them the first 2 patrol shifts for the watchtower.

Hiccup and Toothless save Barf and Belch from certain death and now the Zippleback has a life debt owed to Hiccup and Toothless. The twins come up with a bunch of idiotic plans that almost got Hiccup and them Snotlout killed. And the twins blame him for his poor acting skills. So Hiccup tells them to stop with this nonsense, even when that means that for now the twins won’t get their dragon back. Again, holding eachother accountable, even if it hurts.

In episode 7, Snow way out: Hiccup discovers that Astrid had been lying to him all along and Heather was working undercover for the hunters. Astrid didn’t want to lie to him, but she did. But Astrid had her reasons and keeping Heather hidden had its positive results. But Hiccup also made it known to her that she lied to him and that they are supposed to be a team. And you could see that it hurt her, the way that Hiccup talked about her and about the fact that she lied to him. But, she’s honest with him about her reasoning and she had her reasons for keeping it a secret from him, so Hiccup accepts her explanation, but he doesn’t apoligise for his words.

Again, Hiccup was mad at her, listened to her and accepted her reasoning. He doesn’t attempt to make her feel better about lying to him, because he shouldn’t. She doesn’t deserve it. She made her choice and he understood that choice, but she still hurt him. Now you could definitely say that Hiccup should have been angrier at her for this, but it’s Hiccup. Hiccup is forgiving almost to a fault, but not here. He accepts her apoligy and reasoning, but he doesn’t comfort her for the choices that she made.

In episode 8, Edge of disaster part 1: Ruffnut gets mad at Astrid for not respecting any of the other team members outside of Hiccup. I already talked about how it was a great moment for both Astrid and Ruffnut, Astrid because she actually let Tuffnut use his ideas and a great moment for Ruffnut because she holds Astrid accountable for her behavior.

Now, I am a little more on Astrids side in this argument compared to Ruffnuts, I already have a post about this, but that doesn’t really matter as it is still a good moment for them both.

And in episode 10, Shock and awe: Where Fishlegs traps a deep sea dragon in a a shallow cove in an effort to study it. Something that was selfish to do which I really liked. Not really a great episode, but I really like the fact that Fishlegs just made a choice purely for himself and that his choice caused the dragon to be hurt by Stormfly and then almost killed by 2 scauldrons. And of course, Fishlegs was held accountable for his actions.

I definitely think that Astrid, Ruffnut and Snotlout had the most character development and I really like them in this season. Astrid especially.

Fishlegs and Tuffnut don’t get as much development, but they are still good characters in their own right.

Hiccup is also great in this season, he doesn’t have too much development, but the way he handles himself is excactly what I want from RTTE Hiccup. He did have one of the best moments of the entire show, being where he showed the wild dragons his wingsuit in edge of disaster part 2. Such an amazing moment.

The villains are also good in my opinion. Ryker makes for a good threat untill Viggo comes along and steals the show. Ryker was also still smart in this season, something I think they downplayed later on in the show to make Viggo seem smarter, but yeah a fine villain for this season to fill in the gap before Viggo comes along.

Dagur is also good. He’s funny and still completely insane. I think that this was a good beginning to his redemption arc and that him taking his and Heathers family bond so seriously, while Heather still wants to kill him, is a very nice point of conflict and a good reason to start his redemption.

Heather isn’t a villian of course, but I will put her in this categorie because she’s working undercover for the hunters which I really liked. It created a good dynamic between her and Dagur and her and Ryker. While also creating tension between Hiccup and Astrid, because Astrid already knew about Heather and lied to Hiccup about it. Heather is good in this season, nothing really groundbreaking, but she created a lot of conflict in the show with her being undercover which I really enjoyed.

Now to the main man, Viggo. He’s amazing, the show had built him up as this person in the shadows who everybody was afraid off and they excecuted it very well. They gave an amazing introduction to his character that laid a great foundation for who he was as a person for the rest of the show.

For example, the immediate respect that he showed for Hiccup when he found out that the riders rode straight trough the typhoomerangs their fire. Which is such a nice change of pace compared to the other villains in this franchise, who constantly disrespect and think too little of him. Most of the villains respect Hiccup after they became allies, Viggo already did it long before he became an ally to Hiccup.

And of course the fact that the riders lose to Viggo and lose the dragon eye. A villain is always better if the heroes lose to him before they win, at least in my opinion. This season was the start of a great rivalry between Hiccup and Viggo.

Of course it isn’t perfect and not every episode is great, but the overal quality is really good in my opinion. I didn’t really go into to much detail about the episodes, but I might make a post about some of them. This review was mostly surfave level, because if I typed out my all of my thoughts about this season, this post would be 20 thousand words long.

In short: The character growth was really great, nobody acted out of character in my opinion and the setting and humor was also great. In my opinion one of, if not the best season in RTTE, I think it’s hard to call another season better than this one.

You can definitely make an argument to call this the very best piece of content that the entire HTTYD franchise has to offer in my opinion.

Let me know what you think about this season and if you think another season of RTTE is better than this one!

u/Strandjutter12 — 8 days ago
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“Do you know what your problem is Astrid?” Compared to “She’s a warrior queen for Thors sake.” These 2 lines basically embody Astrids character and why she works in the beginning of HTTYD and fails at the end.

I hate how HTTYD portrays Astrid as this perfect person who can do no wrong.

Astrid isn’t a perfect person, but for some reason every person in the HTTYD universe likes to pretend she is. The longer the franchise went on, the more she becomes this person who can do no wrong in the eyes of the others in HTTYD. And it makes her a lot less interesting.

Astrid is one of, if not my favorite character in the franchise, but her character growth stopped after RTTE season 5 as nobody ever told her that she could do anything wrong. Everybody acted like she was this perfect person and slowly but surely HTTYD removed her character traits that were a little flawed, making her this boring girlfriend instead of the flawed warrior we all know and love.

So here are a few examples of how her character went from flawed to everybody pretends like she’s perfect.

For example in riders of berk episode 10, Astrid gets horribly jealous of Heather spending time with Hiccup. And that jealousy lead to Astrid finding out that Heather was a spy. Making a character flaw, result in something positive.

In Riders of Berk episode 18 Gem of a different color, Fishlegs stole a changewing egg which resulted in Snotlout stealing more changewing eggs, which resulted in the village being in danger because of it. And when Fishlegs complain that it’s all his fault Astrid says that yeah it is his fault, but her saying that isn’t helping Fishlegs. So Hiccup shoots her a warning look while saying her name, basically saying to stop. Because this isn’t helping him.

Then in RTTE season 2 episode 7, Astrid tells Hiccup that Heather is working undercover in the hunters organisation and that she isn’t their enemy. They talk about it and Astrid reveals that she knew about this all along, which makes Hiccup angry at her. Rightfully so, but she explained her reasoning and her keeping Heather a secret had good results. So Hiccup accepts her apoligy, but doesn’t apoligise for his words. She hurt him by lying to her and she felt bad about it, but he didn’t comfort her for it. She made her decision and she hurt him. She would have to live with that.

Then in season 2 episode 8, Ruffnut becomes mad at Astrid and accuses her of not respecting anybody but Hiccup on their team. Asking Astrid if she knows what her problem is, pointing out that Astrid isn’t perfect. Over that episode and the next we see her trying out Tuffnut’s way of defending the edge and her friendship with the twins became stronger because of this.

In season 2 episode 11, Hiccup messes up very badly. Causing a skrill to be captured by the hunters and Hiccup is spiraling into negative thoughts. But Astrid told him that everything Hiccup did was for the good of the dragon and to protect the rest of the riders. And then she said the question isn’t how Hiccup fixes it, it’s how all of the riders fix it. A great example of her growing as a character, giving out better advice and letting Hiccup know he isn’t alone in this.

In season 2 episode 12, Astrid is scared for Heather. She thinks that her undercover operation has become too dangerous. Showing the protective side of her character. Also having Hiccup pull her out of a negatieve spiral of thoughts instead of the other way around. Astrid isn’t perfect and they weren’t afraid of showing it.

In season 4 episode 11, when Astrid is blind she claims that she is still more effective than some riders who still have their eye sight intact. And this is good. A little arrogance that makes sense for her character.

Now in season 5 episode 2, Hiccup gets trapped in a cave with a sandtrapper dragon and when Astrid, Fishlegs and the twins find Hiccups leg and Tuffnut immediately claims it, like it was some toy that he deserved for some reason. And Astrid yells at him and makes him cry and I’m going to be very honest here. Astrid could have shoved Hiccup’s leg up Tuffnut’s hell hole and I wouldn’t have been mad. It was ridiculous how he acted and he didn’t deserve an apoligy. But because Astrid has become the bigger person she says sorry.

Hiccup and Astrid were supposed to exchange bethrothal gifts. But Astrid didn’t know what to get Hiccup, because what could you get him? He already has everything. So Astrid didn’t get him a gift and felt horrible about it, which was showed both in the beginning of the episode and the ending and instead of focussing on this as a potential insecurity of her not being good enough for Hiccup, they just completely ignore it and it never gets brought up again.
After Hiccup gave her his bethrothal gift, he reassured her that she was all that he could ever need. After this, the fact that she didn’t get him a bethrothal gift is never mentioned again.

In season 6 episode 4, Fishlegs finds out that his family outside of the archipelego are dragon hunters and he goes to Dramilion island to make sure the dragons aren’t extinct. This episode doesn’t make any sense but that is a post for another day, in short Fishlegs goes against Hiccup’s orders of staying at the edge for the dragon explorers that are visiting and leaves for Dramilion island. Astrid follows him and when they come back, Hiccup just asks how the island was. Nothing about the fact two of his most trusted teammates didn’t listen to his order. Astrid doesn’t get any blame for this.

Then in season 6 episode 6 Mi Amore wing, Astrid suddenly thinks Hiccup doesn’t love her anymore and Hiccup is suddenly the worst boufriend on the planet. Long story short, Astrid becomes mad at Hiccup for not noticing that she was wearing his bethrothal gift and feeling invisible. The argument starts because Hiccup doesn’t notice the bethrothal gift. But does Hiccup ever mention that she didn’t even get him one? No. And at the end of the episode when they make up, Hiccup takes all the blame for himself, saying that he took Astrid for granted. But Hiccup doesn’t let Astrid take part of the blame for her overreaction, he just takes all the blame for himself.

Season 6 episode 9 Family matters, Astrid constantly overrules Hiccup by bringing Garff along, first to the edge and secondly in the mission to rescue the other deathsong. When Astrid tries to apoligise for making Hiccup bring Garff along, he cuts her off. Saying that this was his decision and that it wasn’t her fault. It was her fault however and Hiccup never would have brought Garff along if it wasn’t for her pressuring him. But Hiccup doesn’t say anything about that, he just takes the blame for her, so that she can remain this perfect person.

Then in HTTYD 3 they show nothing of Astrids character like her competitiveness, or that bit of arrogance. They just act like she’s perfect, she’s pretty far from it, but the movie sure acts like it.

In The Hidden World, Astrid and Hiccup talk on the cliff overlooking berk where Hiccup asks her about marriage, to which she immediately says Gods no and that they were nowhere near ready for that. In season 5 episode 7 of RTTE she mentioned that she loved how sensitive Hiccup is, but that doesn’t mean she considers that brushing off marriage to somebody with severe insecurities could be hurtful. Then she says that she just wishes their was some way to make the hunters leave Berk alone. Not offering a solution, not offering any insight to the situation, just wishing that the hunters would leave them alone. And then when Hiccup suggests the hidden world she cuts him off, saying that they need a real solution.

After that Hiccup and Tuffnut go search for the light fury in the forest of berk and Tuffnut says that Astrid is this warrior queen and that Hiccup is this malnourished runt. And also that Astrid views Hiccup with a not so subtle dissapointment in her eyes. And that Hiccup needs to focus on becoming worthy of her.

Now I don’t think that this is true, I don’t think that Astrid thinks this, but the point is that everybody else in HTTYD sees Astrid as this perfect warrior queen.

After this Grimmel attacks Berk and when Hiccup calls for a meeting, Astrid shuts everybody up with the message to hear him out. And when they arrive on new berk, Hiccup asks Astrid if she still believes in him and she says that this plan was very him. He doesn’t sound convinced and when he thanks her for her support last night, she responds with don’t thank me yet and that she just hopes that he’s right about this. Before walking away, with her smile dissapearing. Obviously showing that she doesn’t believe in him, I don’t know any other way to look at this situation. If you have another perspective on it please tell me.

And I’m not saying that she should support an idea that she doesn’t agree with, she has never done that before, so why would she do that now? But if she didn’t agree with it, she should have told him and if she did agree with him she should show her believe in him, but she doesn’t.

After this Hiccup makes an automatic tailfin for Toothless and Astrid says that she is proud of Hiccup embracing change. Acting like Hiccup isn’t the litteral embodyment of change on Berk. Even though she shut Hiccup’s thought proces down within a second when he talked about moving to the Hidden World.

And when Hiccup says the tailfin is only untill Toothless brings the lightfury back, she gives him a look of pity. Like she already suspected that Toothless would never come back, but why would she think that? Again if you have a different view on this scene please let me know. But for me this is just another moment where she shows she doesn’t believe in Hiccup. That she sympathyses with him over the fact that he thinks Toothless is coming back.

Especially considering her reaction after Toothless dissapears. She tells Hiccup that he gave Toothless his freedom, what did he expect? After that Hiccup walks off, obviously distressed as his best friend was suddenly gone and apparently everybody in his life thought it was completely normal for some reason.

Valka says that Hiccup thinks he needs to lead alone and that he doesn’t realise the strength he and Astrid have together. But how is he supposed to see that strength? Astrid has done nothing but doubt Hiccup troughout this entire movie. And then Valka asks if Astrid still believes in him and Astrid says of course, but that Hiccup thinks he is nothing without Toothless. And Valka says help him realise the truth.

Again, bringing the focus away from Astrid not helping Hiccup in his leadership position, to Hiccup not believing in himself. Why can’t this movie focus on Astrid having flaws for once? But no they immediately cling back to Hiccups doubts and insecurities instead of focussing on the fact that Astrid has been downright lackluster when it came to supporting him in this movie.

Valka talks about Hiccup and Astrid being stronger together, but Astrid didn’t do anything but doubt him while offering no help herself, only after this conversation with Valka does she actually help Hiccup. Which wouldn’t be a problem if the movie actually made a point about it, but it doesn’t, it just puts the focus right back on Hiccup thinking he isn’t good enough without Toothless.

She already fully believed in him in RTTE and in the second movie, but that faith in him was just gone in this movie for some reason. Untill she talked with Valka about it and after that she just fully supported him again.

Astrid had one, one singular flaw as a person in this movie and that was that she didn’t show her belief in Hiccup, but they focus on it for a solid 5 seconds before they switch back to Hiccup thinking he isn’t good enough.

Before the final battle had started, Astrid motivates Hiccup to go and rescue Toothless and their dragons. Telling him that he is the reason that she became the person that she is today. Great scene. But then when they walk back to the rest of the riders, Tuffnut says that Hiccup is now marriage material.

Again acting like Hiccup was the only one who needed to grow, Astrid did as well, but the movie doesn’t focus nearly enough on it. Only focussing on Hiccups growth as person and not on Astrid starting to actually start to accept her own role as chieftess.

I am not saying that Astrid didn’t realise it, what I am saying is that the movie frames it like Hiccup wasn’t good enough for Astrid. With the countless jokes about him and what is wrong with him, while never pointing out or even giving Astrid any flaws. Which caused the movie to paint a picture that Hiccup isn’t good enough for Astrid.

This movie didn’t point out any of her flaws, or insecurities they just made her appear like miss can do no wrong who was this seemingly perfect wife for the hero of the story.

Don’t even get me started on Homecoming, everybody was downright horrible in that short film, but in short. Astrid completely ignores Hiccup’s feelings about the pageant and after said pageant Hiccup thanks her for it. Completely disrespecting his memory and glorifying his fathers, but he still thanks Astrid for it. Saying that he needed to understand that it was about the message and keeping his fathers memory alive, it didn’t matter that it didn’t go the way he wanted and that is horrible. Absolutely horrible because they act like Hiccup’s feelings don’t matter at all and that Astrid is this great person for showing her selfish husband that it’s not about how the story gets told and that it doesn’t matter at all that he gets completely disrespected as a person, but that it’s about the message that comes across.

I know I talked a lot about Hiccup and Astrids relationship in this post, but that’s definitely part of the problem. She became Hiccups girlfriend, not the cool, competitive, slightly arrogant and flawed person, who happened to be Hiccup’s girlfriend.

If we compare her to Hiccup in the later stages of the franchise, he gets nothing but critisism about how he handles everything, while Astrid gets excuses and gentle encouragement.

So again in short, they make Astrid this character with about a hunderd different imperfections and they point some of them out in the beginning of the franchise resulting in Astrid growing as a person and improving the relationships that she had with her friends. But then HTTYD takes most of her characters traits away, along with most of her imperfections and they leave her as this perfect person who can do no wrong. Except she still does plenty of things wrong, the only difference being that nobody calls her out on it.

She went from this amazing, flawed character to this golden girl who can do no wrong in the eyes of the people in the HTTYD universe and that is just downright dissapointing. Her character isn’t really bad, but just dissapointing.

Let me know what you think about my take and about Astrids character in HTTYD.

u/Strandjutter12 — 9 days ago
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The 2 opening scenes in HTTYD 2, are the best opening sequence in animation.

So I think that the opening scenes of HTTYD 2 being: The dragon racing and Hiccup flying off untill he crashes onto Itchy armpit, is the best opening sequence in animation and definitely some of the best scenes in the entire franchise.

So to start off with the dragon racing. We see the teens from the first movie, except Hiccup, competing in dragon racing and trying to catch flying sheep with the whole village cheering them on. Stoick cheering the loudest for his future daughter in law. Which is such an amazing moment.

They show how berk is in the current day, now that they live in peace amongst the dragons and I love it. With stuff like the fire prevention system and the stables that are shown as the riders fly trough them. And of course with Astrid stealing the black sheep from the twins and winning the game, taking a victory lap before she’s flying off to find Hiccup.

That along with Hiccups narration while flying trough Berk, it was amazing in my opinion.

Then of course we see Hiccup and Toothless fly trough the sky, going underneath the wings of a pod Thunderdrums and flying alongside a few timberjacks up in the clouds. And the music. It is ridiculous how well Where no one goes by John Powell fits into this scene. And then with Hiccup freefalling alongside Toothless, you can even see the excitement in Hiccup’s eyes change to fondness when he looks at Toothless.

Also we see him using his wingsuit for the first time and of course almost dying because he very nearly crashed into a massive stone pillar.

The humor isn’t perfect, but it is funny. Just simple stuff like Astrid questioning Snotlout why he is even interested in Ruffnut when she litteraly tried to bury him alive and Toothless having to save Hiccup so that he doesn’t splatter into a million pieces onto some random rock in the middle of the ocean. Works perfectly for the setting that the movie is going for in my opinion.

Of course I also love the scenes after this, with Toothless playfully fighting Hiccup and helping with his map before Astrid comes along, also love that scene. Yeah, amazing opening to the movie. In my opinion it can’t really get any better than this.

The second movie is my favorite of the three and the opening of this movie is just amazing. I love this movie and I especially love the opening scenes.

Of course my descriptions can never really show how amazing these scenes truly are, so watch them again and let me know what you think about the opening of HTTYD 2 and if you think that there are any better openings than this one!

u/Strandjutter12 — 11 days ago
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Astrids character development in the first movie isn’t as rushed as it seems and it actually makes sense for who she is as a person.

So I have seen many people say that Astrids character development felt rushed and that it didn’t make sense that Hiccup taking her on only one flight would change her so much as a person. I think that it actually does make sense and I am going to explain why here.

Also, this is not a post about Hiccup and Astrid their relationship. Hiccup does come up a lot, because he heavily impacts Astrids character, but this post isn’t about them.

I have already made posts about how dragon training went down in more details, so this is going to be a short summary.

When dragon training started, Hiccup didn’t try his best. Quite frankly all of the recruits outside of Astrid were horrible. But Hiccup was the one who was getting in the way the most. He barely even tried anything during training and the only thing that he was actually putting effort into was making sarcastic comments. And because of that, Astrid became angry at him.

Now this is important, because no matter what Astrid thought of Hiccup before dragon training started, that opinion has just been thrown in the bin. We don’t know really know what Astrid thought about him before Hiccup started messing up in dragon training. Some would say a crush, some would say indifference and others would say that she already disliked him. But that doesn’t matter. What matters is that she definitely started to dislike him here because he wasn’t taking the training seriously. If she thought anything positive about him before, that would be quickly replaced with anger and annoyance.

Which was why she just brushed him off with a quick ‘read it’ when he asked to share the book of dragons. I also think that Astrid had already read the book in preparation for dragon training.

Because why should Astrid study with him if he wasn’t even going to take the actual dragon training seriously, let alone the studying. The studying that she had already done.

The problem with Hiccup not taking training seriously, really came to a head when he didn’t pay any attention during the Nadder fight. Resulting in him and Astrid almost getting killed. Causing Astrid to ask Hiccup: If all of this was some kind of a joke to him. Because he wasn’t even trying. He was treating dragon training, a place where one single mistake could get you killed, like a joke.

He was treating the training that was preparing them to fight a war, a war that they would likely have to fight for the rest of their lives, like it didn’t matter at all. So she got mad at him for it. Rightfully so.

But then Hiccup suddenly became the best dragon killing recruit and Astrid got very jealous and angry. Mostly, I think because she knew that he was cheating. And because she is horribly competitive, she doesn’t deal well with losing. She never has and never will.

Also, Hiccup acted like suddenly being the best in dragon training was nothing special. Now of course from Hiccups perspective this makes perfect sense, why would he act like it meant something when he didn’t even want to become the best in it. He didn’t even want to participate in it, let alone win it.

But how do you think that this felt for Astrid? This guy who screwed up the first 2 lessons, suddenly becomes the best dragon killer in the class and acts like it’s nothing? Like it’s nothing that he’s suddenly better than her? That would without a doubt rub Astrid and her very competitive nature the wrong way.

And then the last training comes where Hiccup beats Astrid for top spot in the class and where after that last training, Astrid finds Hiccup in the cove. Where she beats Hiccup up a bit for lying to her and for everything else, probably him beating her while cheating in dragon training. Or trying to distract her from finding Toothless there in the cove. Or acting like winning dragon training meant nothing. Or for him not taking dragon training seriously at first, resulting in both of them almost getting killed by stormfly.

She has a lot of reasons to be mad at him.

Then Toothless sees Astrid and tries to attack her, causing her to tell Hiccup to run while she prepared to fight Toothless. Hiccup stops her and Toothless from trying to kill eachother and introduces them. Astrid, like any sane human being, gets the hell out of there and tries to run back to the village.

Of course Hiccup and Toothless go after her and kidnap her, causing the romantic flight to happen. Where Hiccup shows Astrid the truth about dragons, while also accidentally creating the best first date of all time.

Hiccup and Astrid also have a short conversation in the cove about what to do about the nest, where Hiccup protects Toothless even when Astrid asks him if he wants to keep everything the Vikings have ever searched for a secret, for his pet dragon.

Now what this romantic flight does, is getting rid of so, so many of the negative feelings that Astrid had at this point in the story and it turns them into something much more positive.

First of all, her view on dragons changed completely thanks to this flight. By seeing that not only is the most feared dragon known to mankind actually nice if you apoligise to him and his rider. But also because she saw that when the dragons don’t bring enough food back, they get eaten by one of their own. Astrid now knows that the dragons aren’t monsters that she should hate and kill, they are just animals trying to survive.

Secondly, all of her anger towards Hiccup dissapears. She hated or disliked Hiccup because of his inability to take things seriously at first in dragon training and then for him beating her, while quite obviously cheating. But now Astrid doesn’t even want to win dragon training anymore. Because why would she? Why would she want the honor of killing an animal that is only doing what it needs to do, to survive? Astrid has no reason to be mad and jealous about losing dragon training anymore.

While also gaining some new found respect for Hiccup, especially when he told her that yes, he would keep the dragons nest a secret for his pet dragon.

Thirdly, she has just found out the cause of why the dragons attack. The war that she was preparing to fight for the rest of her life, just got a possible ending in the near future. It isn’t as unreachable anymore, as it was before this flight.

We find the nest and we destroy it, then the dragons will leave and go find another one. That was the Vikings their plan for ending the dragon raids. But they were never able to find the nest, let alone what was inside it, but now they know where it is and what they are facing. Now they actually know how to end the war. At first it was just guess work, that the dragons had a nest and what would be there, but now they actually know what they are facing and that if they do indeed kill the Queen, that the war with the dragons will end.

How good must that feel, to have the weight of an entire life full of battle, pain and death, basically lifted off of your shoulders?

Astrid is fiercely protective, we see this many times throughout the franchise, but just in this movie alone, we saw that she was prepared to face down a night fury so that Hiccup could have the chance to escape. Hiccup. A person who she was still very mad at in that moment and yet she still faced down a Night Fury without a second of hesitation to give him a chance to escape.

When Astrid told Hiccup that: “Our parents war is about to become ours.” She meant that line excactly how she said it. She was in training for a life of war and she took that responsibility very seriously.

Especially if you consider what happened in the shows. Where Astrids uncle died while fighting against a flightmare, which severely stained her familys name in the eyes of berk. So that would have put even more pressure onto her to succeed in dragon training.

There was so much pressure, hatred and anger that Astrid carried with her, that went away directly because of this flight. Because again, now she has no reason to hate dragons, she also isn’t mad about losing dragon training anymore and because of that she has no reason to be mad at Hiccup either. She even gained some new formed respect for Hiccup when he chose protecting Toothless over telling his dad about the dragons nest.

That along with the fact that the war that her tribe has been fighting for centuries, finally has an actually possible ending in sight?

Again, it must have felt like the literal weight of the world had fallen from her shoulders with how many of her negative feelings, along with her sad outlook on the future, had dissapeared thanks to this flight.

Astrid went from being so full of hatred and anger, while carrying a responsibility that even if she was ready for it, was a very difficult task with no end in sight. To being filled with hope and belief for a better future.

I think that many people underestimate how important this flight was to Astrid as a person. And instead of viewing it as lazy writing, we should look at it like the life changing event it was.

Also, probably my favorite thing about Astrid is how happy she gets whenever something different happens, something new and exciting. I think that this is because she had thought her life would be hel. She was prepared for a life of constant fighting, pain and death. So anything out of the ordinary she gets very excited about.

And we can see that in the first film. During her first flight with Toothless and when Hiccup for the first time showed the other teens how to tame a dragon, by taming Hookfang infront of them. During both of these completely new experiences she was happy and excited.

And we also see it in the shows. For example, when the gang first discovered the world outside of the archipelego in RTTE. Or when she became friends with Heather. And when she officialy started dating Hiccup. All of these things were new and exciting in her life and you could practically feel the happiness radiating off of her.

So I think that with the relief of getting rid off all of those negative feelings, along with all of the excitement she must have felt thanks to this whole new chapter in her life, that the way she acted during the remainder of the movie wasn’t as rushed as many people think it is.

I think that we should look at the romantic flight like how we look at Hiccup seeing himself in Toothless. Nobody calls that rushed development, when he went from actively wanting to kill dragons to the point of shooting one down, to releasing said dragon instead of killing it.

Astrids flight was just like Hiccup seeing himself in Toothless, it was a very important moment of realisation that changed their view on life for the better.

So in short: Astrid was a person who was prepared for a life full of battle, pain and death, but thanks to that romantic flight with Hiccup, she got a whole new outlook on life. Where she was once filled with anger and hate towards so many things in her life, they were now replaced with joy and hope. In my opinion, the romantic flight wasn’t lazy writing, it was just the life altering event that Astrid needed, to go on the journey to become a better and more importantly, happier person.

Let me know what you think about my opinion and what you think about Astrid in the first movie!

u/Strandjutter12 — 15 days ago
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Eret son of Eret is a great character.

So the second movie is my personal favorite out of the three and when I recently rewatched it, I realised that a big part of that was Eret’s character in this movie.

Eret is great. He’s just a cool person and I really enjoyed how the movie showed, how he changed his mind about dragons.

At first he didn’t believe when Hiccup and Astrid talk about becoming friends with dragons and that there is nothing that they wouldn’t do for you. But when Stormfly saves his life, he realised that they were right and he was an ally ever since.

That scene with him and Stormfly where he thanks her for saving his life is amazing, it’s one of the best scenes in the movie for me.

He’s funny, you can really sympathize with him over his fear for Drago and how he changed his mind about dragons was beautifully shown on screen.

In the third movie he really doesn’t get to do anything, but he’s still pretty good when he is actually on screen. One of the few characters who are actually likable in the movie. And for some reason he wasn’t there during Homecoming, but I really don’t see that as a part of the franchise.

Eret is a great character with some pretty good development as a person. Nothing life changing, but perfect for the movie it was in.

Let me know what you think about Eret and the second movie!

u/Strandjutter12 — 16 days ago
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I love the epilogue in The Hidden World.

I love the epilogue in the Hidden World I have no other way to describe it. I really like it.

I loved how happy Toothless got when he realised that it was Hiccup.

I love that Astrid and Hiccup were teasing eachother while flying just like in the second movie, still after all of those years together and two kids by their side.

I love how the kids had actual logical reactions to meeting Toothless and to the excitement of flying. It also didn’t seem like Hiccup and Astrid had never told them about their best friends.

I also like that the Lightfury was accepting of Hiccup and Astrid coming to visit, unlike in Homecoming where she litteraly erased a picture of Hiccup that Toothless had drawn. The lightfury still saved Hiccup and didn’t hate him anymore at the end of movie and I think it’s great that they showed that here.

Of course I would have loved to see Astrid and Stormfly reunite with eachother in a scene like Hiccup and Toothless, but I am still already very happy with the fact that they brought Stormfly out at all.

Even the excitement in Stormfly’s eyes, they are almost the exact same that she had when she and Astrid were playing fetch with Eret in the second movie.

The first time I watched it I was almost scared that they were going to make Astrid ride on the light fury, no offense to her, but Astrid should only ride on Stormfly for something like this.

I would have loved to see the others reunite with their dragons, but I think that this was a great ending to the movie. The animation was beautiful, the character models were great, the dragons and the people actually acted like how I excepted them to act in a situation like this. I loved it.

I know that it is easy to only look at the negative side of this movie, I do that too, but the movie still did some things right and the epilogue is definitely one of them, it’s pretty damn great in my opinion.

Let me know what you think about it!

u/Strandjutter12 — 17 days ago
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“You can blame me! Just stop talking and keep flying.” This line is basically who Hiccup was as a person in HTTYD after the 4th season of RTTE.

So in my opinion, Hiccup isn’t really a leader anymore in HTTYD after RTTE season 5. Maybe even after season 4. And I mean that in the real life timeline. So from season 6 of RTTE untill HTTYD Homecoming. And I know that the first seasons of Rtte aren’t perfect, but season 6 is just too much. RTTE is the only thing I will be talking about in detail, in this post.

Basically in the final 2 seasons Hiccup holds nobody except himself accountable for when they mess up. He isn’t the gangs leader anymore, he’s just the person whos orders they ignore and who will happily take the blame anytime something goes wrong.

In season 6 episode 11 of race to the edge, after Hiccup, Snotlout and Astrid need to catch up to a bunch of dragon flyers, they fly trough a storm to cut the distance short catch the other flyers from behind, untill Snotlout and Hookfang flame up which causes them to get spotted again. After which they have to retreat back into the storm and Snotlout gets struck by Lightning. After which they get stuck on a boat and Hiccup says that he mad a bad decision. Astrids says he’s right, this was a bad decision and she gives him a peptalk.

The first time that they went trough the storm, Snotlout complained about how this was not his plan, to which Hiccup responded with: “You can blame me! Just stop talking and keep flying.”

And this exact sequence is everything that is wrong with Hiccup’s leadership and by extension his character in HTTYD. Including the fact that he always needs some sort of peptalk from Astrid in the later stages of the franchise, but that’s a point for another day.

Basically everything that goes wrong is either Hiccups fault or he doesn’t care that said person did something wrong. He’s barely a leader anymore.

Now, I am not saying that all of these are bad episodes, or that Hiccup can’t take the blame in some cases? No, definitely not. But Hiccup just doesn’t care whenever someone other than him does something wrong. And that’s not what a leader is supposed to do.

Like seriously.

Season 6 episode 2, Stoick blames Hiccup for being fooled by Johann, acting like his son should have known better for some reason while he was fooled for much longer. Thankfully Hiccup did stand his ground here, but still Stoick blamed his son and started insulting his planning for some reason that I really don’t understand. In season 4 when Hiccup came up with that plan to take down Viggo, Stoick was proud of him. I’m starting to ramble again, but the point is Stoick blames Hiccup for being duped by trader Johann.

Season 6 episode 3, Snotlout blatantly ignored Hiccups orders in favor of helping Minden. He doesn’t punish him for it, just says that Snotlout did what needed to be done. I don’t mind this one, as this has happened before and for Hiccup this isn’t out of character, but it is just another example of people ignoring Hiccups orders.

Season 6 episode 4, both Astrid and Fishlegs blatantly ignore Hiccup’s orders by going to Dramilion island when he specifically told them not to. And when they get back, he just asks them how it was. No mentions of them completely ignoring his orders.

Season 6 episode 5, both Ruffnut and Tuffnut ignore Hiccup’s suspicion about Gruffnut returning. Altough he is being a good leader in this episode by telling them about his worries about Gruffnut and by trying to keep the twins together. But again, they ignored him.

Season 6 episode 6, Astrid blames Hiccup for not noticing that she was wearing his bethrothal gift and breaks up with him for ignoring her, when we were supposed to see this no idea, Hiccup was an idiot for one day and Astrid just acted like he didn’t care about her. When they make up, Astrid tried to tell Hiccup that she was overreacting, but Hiccup doesn’t allow that. Hiccup says that she was right, about him not about her overreacting, and that he should have noticed the necklace and that he had been taking her for granted. Yeah sure, she also shouldn’t have overreacted, but Hiccup barely let her get the words out of her mouth before taking all the blame and putting it on himself.

Season 6 episode 9, Astrid constantly overrules Hiccup’s decisions and it gets them trapped in a cave with no way out. When Snotlout complains about it and Astrid tries to apoligise for it, Hiccup happily takes the blame all for himself. Again.

Season 6 episode 10, Hiccup blames himself for not being there for his father and for going away to the edge.

Season 6 episode 11, Hiccup blames himself for making a so called ‘stupid decision’ but he had no other choice and it was Snotlout’s fault that they had to run. While Astrid also says that Hiccup made a bad decision, but he didn’t even have any other option to begin with. This was their only viable option because Snotlout messed up.

Season 6 episode 12, everybody complains about Hiccup being the reason that they don’t get to see the king of dragons, all the while Stoick was lying on his deathbed.

I am not saying that Hiccup deserves some pity party by the way, I am saying that he needs to stand up for himself and his opinion, like he used to in the franchise. I am also saying that the other riders should respect his opinion and listen to his orders more often.

Lets see how some of the previous episodes compare to season 6.

In season 2 episode 6. The twins mess up while they were supposed to be creating a watchtower, and create an avalanche that almost resulted in Barf and Belches death. Hiccup punished them for this by giving them the first 2 shifts for the watchtower.

Hiccup and Toothless save Barf and Belch from certain death and now the Zippleback has a life debt owed to Hiccup and Toothless. The twins come up with a bunch of idiotic plans that almost got Hiccup and Snotlout killed. And the twins blame him for his poor acting skills. So Hiccup tells them to stop with this nonsense, even when that means that for now the twins won’t get their dragon back. When the twins try to blame Hiccup, he puts his foot down, the faulty plans of the twins weren’t his fault and it shouldn’t be considered as such.

In season 2 episode 7, Hiccup discovers that Astrid had been lying to him all along and Heather was working undercover for the hunters. Astrid didn’t want to lie to him, but she did. She had her reasons but she still lied to him and Hiccup was mad at her. But still Astrid had her reasons and keeping Heather hidden had its positive results. He obviously made it known to her and you could see that it hurt her, the way that Hiccup talked about her and about the fact that she lied to him. But, she’s honest with him and she had her reasons for it, so Hiccup accepts her explanation, but he doesn’t apoligise for his words.

Again, Hiccup was mad at her, listened to her and accepted her apoligy. He doesn’t attempt to make her feel better about lying to him, because why would he? She doesn’t deserve it. She made her choice and he understood that choice, but she still hurt him. Now you could definitely say that Hiccup should have been angrier at her for this, but it’s Hiccup. Hiccup is forgiving almost to a fault, but not here. He accepts her apoligy and reasoning, but he doesn’t comfort her for the choices that she made. And that is something that never happened in season 6, where Astrid made plenty of wrong choices.

In season 3 episode 3, Hiccup and Astrid leave Fishlegs in charge and he messes up. Fishlegs couldn’t keep control over Snotlout and the twins and when he leaves they use up all of the Monstrous Nightmare gel. Afterwards Fishlegs leaves and he ends up in a cave where he finds an ancient sword. And he can’t wait to tell Hiccup about it when he gets back.

But, when Hiccup gets back he scolds Fishlegs, not harshly, but firm. About him allowing Snotlout and the twins to use up all of their monstrous nightmare gel. And he lets Fishlegs know that he is dissapointed in him and that he expected better. After this Fishlegs goes back to the cave with the terrors and Hiccup gets worried about how he treated him.

When Astrid tries to reassure him by saying that Fishlegs is probably geeking out about some new plant he discovered which results in Hiccup saying that he normally does that with him. He is upset and worried because he thought that he was too harsh on Fishlegs, so after a while, Hiccup along with the other riders go rescue him from the Night terrors and Fishlegs and Hiccup talk it out at the end of the episode.

Fishlegs talks about how he admires Hiccups way of leadership, how he leads by example and not by bossing people around. And Hiccup apoligises for how he treated Fishlegs, he himself also has trouble with keeping Snotlout and the twins in check and Hiccup thought that he was a bit too harsh on Fishlegs. While saying that Fishlegs was a true leader in those caves while fighting the night terrors. And also that Hiccup can’t wait to geek out about this ancient sword with Fishlegs. Again, Hiccup is forgiving, but he’s not a pushover. Unlike in season 6 when Hiccup doesn’t even think about repramanding Fishlegs and Astrid for going directly against his orders.

In season 4 episode 4, Snotlout’s head gets filled with nonsense by his dad and he is ruining the missions set out by the team.
He ruined the first mission in which the gang attacks the hunters ships. Which is when Hiccup knows that something is going on, so he promises the others that he will talk to Snotlout, but that he is currently more worried about the supply of dragon root.

But when Snotlout comes barging into his hut, Hiccup gives him some advice. He doesn’t dismiss him because he’s busy, he gives him advise on how he can improve on being a leader and tells him about which team members are a good example of said traits. And even if Snotlout says that Hiccup thinks that he isn’t good enough, he still listens to him and follows his advice. Now Snotlout messes quite litteraly everything up, but the advice was still solid.

But even then, Hiccup accepts that Snotlout is going trough something and he thinks the best way of helping him is by showing him some faith. He gives Snotlout the lead of the mission and even when Astrid dissagrees with him, he sticks to his opinion. He thinks that Snotlout needs this and they’re still doing a practice run just in case. In which Snotlout messes up again.

And because of said screw up, he takes himself off of the mission, but when he realises dragon root grows in the sun, he quickly puts together that the dragon hunters set out a trap for the riders and he comes to their rescue. Hiccup thanks him for saving his life and he bonds with Snotlout over the fact that both of their fathers want something from them, but they both want to go their own way. Again, Hiccup is being a good leader here, all troughout this episode.

And I just think that that is severely lacking troughout RTTE season 6, and also HTTYD The Hidden World and Homecoming.

I’m not going to pretend like Hiccup was the perfect leader or that he has never been a pushover, but season 5 was when the problems really started rearing their ugly heads around the corner. For example, when the twins ignored him and Mala saying that they should never ever go to Vanaheim, and yet they went anyway. In season 4 they did something similar, by going to the northern markets to fix macey. But this was so much worse. They went to a place that was Holy to the dragon world even when their leader and the queen of an island ordered them not to go.

Or when the whole team blamed him and Astrid for being gone for one single day in season 5 episode 7. Where in that day a completely new enemy came out of nowhere to fight with them. And still he and Astrid had to apoligise for being gone for one single day, while also getting oil for the dragon eye 2.

Sure they made it into a fun trip, but how the hell should they have known that in that one day all of the flyers would come in and attack. An enemy they didn’t even know existed. But still according to the rest of the team they had to earn their trust back and should apoligise to them for this. And Hiccup happily accepts it, Astrid at least tries to tell them to bugger off, but Hiccup won’t accept that and says that he deserves the critique.

I just miss Hiccup as this sensible, confident, and fair leader. I miss the rest of the team actually seeing Hiccup as their leader and not just seeing his orders as suggestions.

I miss Hiccup having faith in himself, in his beliefs, in his opinions, in his choices as leader. I miss Hiccup not being the one who needs some sense talked into him. I miss Hiccup not needing a peptalk from his girlfriend every five minutes just to keep going.

I miss Hiccup holding someone other than himself accountable for their mistakes.

Let me know what you think about my opinion and what you thought about Hiccups character in RTTE!

u/Strandjutter12 — 19 days ago
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Astrid doesn’t deserve the hate she gets for how she treated the twins.

So here in my second part of Astrid doesn’t deserve the hate she gets, we have her treatment of the twins.

I have seen many people complain about Astrids treatment of the other dragon riders, especially Tuffnut and Ruffnut, but do they really deserve her respect?

I am talking about the scene where Ruffnut told Astrid that she didn’t respect anyone on the team except Hiccup. And even if it is never very loudly announced, I do think that she got along better with the other riders as the show went on.

But I really don’t think that the twins deserve Astrid their respect. Here are a few examples and these are only involving Astrid directly. These don’t consider all of the other dumb things that they’ve done.

In season 2 episode 8 is where they actually talk about Astrid not respecting the members of the team, but right before this talk happened the twins first let Astrid do basically all of the work with carrying logs before throwing their own log against all of the ones that Astrid had collected, which resulted in something being destroyed on the edge. Astrid takes the job of carrying the rest of the logs for herself while telling the twins to start lashing together some poles for the first level of the stairs.

And when Astrid brings all of the logs back again, the twins had just blatantly ignored her orders while also falling onto the pile of logs that Astrid had gathered, once again making a mess of things while ruining all of Astrids work.

They directly ignored Astrids orders and ruined her work and people act like she doesn’t have a right to be mad at them? But even after they do all of this, Astrid gives Tuffnuts way a chance when defending the edge.

When Astrid was on the verge of dying in season 3 episode 5, from the scourge of Odin. The twins were eating the same stuff that the Buffalord ate. Now they do discover the cure this way, but that wasn’t why they were doing it, it was pure luck that they figured out that the Buffalords food along with its saliva. Ruffnut at least said it was a way of coping, doesn’t make it much better but okay. But Tuffnut just said that it was because his poop would start smelling better. Again their teammate and friend could be dying any second now.

In season 5 episode 2, Hiccup and Snotlout dissapeared and when Fishlegs finds Hiccups missing leg in the sand, Tuffnut immediately goes to claim it as his. It seemed like Astrids boyfriend and another team member were dead by the way. And Tuffnut just didn’t care and went on about how Hiccups leg should belong to him. And when Astrid said tears a bunch so that Tuffnut would start crying, Ruffnut cried out asking what was wrong with Astrid. And that it wasn’t Tuffnuts fault that Hiccup was gone. That is so fucking insane to me. How dare you blame Astrid for her reaction to some muttonhead grabbing the missing leg of the love of her life. Like where does Ruffnut get the nerve to pretend like Astrid is being unreasonable here.

And Astrid actually apoligises for her behavior. Which Tuffnut didn’t deserve at all.

In season 5 episode 7, Astrid and Hiccup go away to find some oil for the dragon eye 2, something very important to their mission. And when the base gets attacked, they still have the nerve to blame Hiccup and Astrid for their absence. They were gone for one single day by the way. One! It is not their fault the attack was planned for when the two most, basically 2 out of the 3 competent riders were gone from the outpost, Snotlout being the only other competent one that season.

And still the twins and the rest of the group demand that Hiccup and Astrid apoligise and win their trust back for leaving them alone. Just fuck off. They left for one singular day! One! For something very important by the way, sure it was a secret project but that didn’t mean it wasn’t important. But they still happily blame Hiccup and Astrid for not being there. Instead of looking at themselves and asking why they weren’t able to do anything against the flyers.

In season 5 episode 10, Astrid thinks that Stormfly is about to die and that causes her to start crying. And while at first Ruffnut tries to support Astrid by placing a hand on her shoulder, she quickly messes it up by trying to excuse Astrids crying.

I’ve talked about the way Astrid and Hiccup use eachother for physical comfort before and Astrid obviously could use some comfort right now, but when she tries to excuse Astrids crying the comforting hand obviously doesn’t help anymore.

While Tuffnut just says that he recognises Astrids tears as ones of sadness and regret. What an absolute asshole. And then when Astrid rightfully demands what he would be doing if his dragon was dying he just starts crying like a baby.

And then they both think it is appropiate to start enjoying themselves while remembering how some family member died and what stages of madness he went trough before he died. Very comforting, just great. And then when Astrid talked about accepting his fate, like Stormfly is doing now they blame her for ruining their moment of reverie.

I am sorry man but the amount of times I have seen people complain about the way Astrid treated the twins is insane to me. She treated them fine in my opinion. At times better than they deserved.

She apoligised for making Tuffnut cry when he was the one who was being an asshole, while the most important person in her life could have been dead. She gave Tuffnut a chance with defending the edge. She also tried to kill Throk when he talked about what he was planning to do to Ruffnut. Kidnapping her for a marriage basically.

Again, Astrid didn’t treat them that badly in my opinion. A lot of times she actually treated them better than they deserved.

Let me know what you think about the relationship between Astrid and Ruff and Tuff, and what you thought about my opinion!

u/Strandjutter12 — 19 days ago
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Hiccup and Astrid their body language is the best part of their relationship.

So troughout the franchise Hiccup and Astrid have expressed their love for eachother in many ways, but they almost always show their support and love trough physical touch. For example by just grabbing eachothers hands, or putting a hand on the others shoulder.

Or when they find eachother after one of them got captured or something happened to them, and they can’t keep themselves from hugging the other person in relief when they finally get them back.

Even in stuff like homecoming, where the characters are severely lacking, they still show that they love eachother, even if they don’t use words for it.

It’s those silent shows of love and support that I think are so great, because they don’t need to say it out loud. They know that they will both support eachother. Hiccup and Astrid don’t need to make constant declarations of love to eachother, because they always say it trough something as simple as putting a hand on eachothers body. Just letting the other person know that they are here for them.

And I love that about them. With Hiccup growing up with only Stoick as a parent and with how standoffish Astrid used to be, they probably didn’t have anyone to comfort them with physical contact. So now that they have eachother for it, they constantly give and seek out comfort from the other.

These 2 are my favorite couple in fiction and I could go on and on, but this is probably my favorite part of their relationship.

Let me know what you think about my opinion and what you like most about them as a couple!

u/Strandjutter12 — 21 days ago
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The finale of Race to the Edge was made out to be a gateway into the second movie.

Now what I mean by this, is that the ending of race to the edge tried to hard to follow trough into the second movie.

I am not saying it was a bad ending, but I do think that they tried to make the finale episode a gateway into the second movie. The show wanted to wrap everything up, while also continuing directly into the second movie.

With Astrid wearing a red tunic, Snotlout and Fishlegs suddenly being in love with Ruffnut and the scenes featuring Valka and Drago, they felt forced and it even contradicts the movies.

For starters, Hiccup and the gang are 20 years old in the second movie and around 18-19 in RTTE, yet Krogan was the one responsible for finding a bewilderbeast for Drago. Now, we don’t know anything about the bewilderbeast, or how fast it grows, but surely Drago couldn’t find one fully grown and control it that easily, in such a short amount of time.

Or he found a baby bewilderbeast, but how could such a massive dragon become so big in only 1 or 2 years, and that is if drago immediately found one right after the finale of race to the edge. So he would have to find it, raise it and control it. And all of that in 2 years at most.

Also the wingmaidens being able to contact Valka doesn’t make any sense, in the third movie she said that she tried to stay hidden. So how and why was someone able to contact her to come and pick up the egg.

Atali apparently knew someone who knew Valka, who had a safe place to keep it.
These are Hiccup’s words in the finale.
“Atali and the wingmaidens knew someone, who knew someone who had a safe place to keep it.”

Now where this safe place is? No idea. It isn’t mentioned or shown anywhere. Probably the sanctuary, but they never mention it. Also, for people who say that Valka raised the bewilderbeast into the one we see in the second movie, that isn’t possible. Valka said that Cloudjumper brought her to the sanctuary, to the home of the great bewilderbeast. So he was already there when Valka came there.

And who knew Valka good enough to be able to contact her to come pick up the egg? No idea. They’re never shown.

It started to feel like a followtrough into the second movie instead of the series finale it should have been.

Like they only realised in the last 5 minutes of the show that RTTE is a prequel to HTTYD2, and instead of developing things like Snotlout and Fishlegs fighting over Ruffnut, they just make the excact same mistake as they did in the second movie by making it come out of nowhere.

It just seemed like they were going for this Breaking Bad type of ending, where they wrap everything in the current show up, while also setting up its sequel.

Again, I can not stress this enough. I think that this episode has a lot of good in it. A lot! But the finale few minutes just felt forced to me.

I know that RTTE originally only had 4 seasons planned and while I do really like a lot of the episodes in season 5 and 6, I also think that the ending would have been a lot more natural if the show had ended in season 4.

Let me know what you thought about my opinion and about the finale of race to the edge.

u/Strandjutter12 — 24 days ago
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Astrid doesn’t deserve the hate that she gets for how she treated Hiccup in the first movie.

I’ve seen many people complain about how Astrid treated Hiccup before he took her on that flight with Toothless and I think that she doesn’t deserve the hate that she gets.

So I am looking at how Astrid treated Hiccup in the first movie, from before Hiccup took her on that flight with Toothless.

After Hiccup shot Toothless down, Stoick tells Gobber to take Hiccup home because he has his mess to clean up. As Hiccup walks by the other teens, Snotlout and Tuffnut make a joke about how much he messed up and Ruffnut along with Fishlegs laugh at him and said jokes.

Gobber pushes Snotlout in the face as he walks by. Astrid however, watches with a look on her face that I would say was something like pity or sympathy. After all, Hiccup just got berated infront of the entire village by his father and it looked like Astrid was the only teen that actually felt bad for him.

Then before training started, Hiccup made fun of Astrid and the rest of the gang as he walks into the killring when they were talking about getting scars.

“Yeah no kidding right, pain love it.” He really couldn’t make it any more obvious that he was being sarcastic. And while the other teens groan and make fun of Hiccup for saying that he killed a night fury, Astrid just shook her head and focussed back on training.

Then when the actual training started and instead of taking it seriously when Gobber asked what they needed, Hiccup said a doctor.

And after that, Hiccup instead of paying attention to the litteral flying monster infront of him, focussed his attention on Astrid who had just landed next to him, while making a joke. ‘So it’s just you and me huh?’ While she brushes him off with a quick ‘no just you’, before she ran away from the incoming blast.

Again Astrid didn’t do anything wrong here, in my opinion she actually joked with Hiccup here, which she doesn’t do with anyone else in this movie.

After training Hiccup goes to the cove to find Toothless and he shows up late to dinner in the great hall. Gobber asks Astrid what she did wrong today and she said that she misstimed her somersault dive which threw off her reverse tumble. Showing that she obviously holds herself to a high standard and takes dragon training very seriously. When Gobber asks what Hiccup did wrong Ruffnut and Tuffnut make jokes about him while Snotlout stops him from sitting with them.

While Astrid answered with ‘he’s never where he should be.’ And she’s not wrong. He was even hiding behind a wall at the edge of the arena at one point.

Gobber thanks Astrid for her answer, before slapping the twins on the back of their head. Showing the difference to what Gobber sees as feedback and what Gobber sees as someone being an asshole.

When Hiccup asked her if she wanted to share the book of dragons she said ‘Read it’. Knowing Astrid, she probably already did read it in preparation for dragon training and I also think that Astrid would have reacted the excact same way if any of the other teens asked her this. Astrid wasn’t a social person, at all. And what would she gain from reading with Hiccup?

At this point in her life she obviously didn’t care about friends and after the show that Hiccup put up in dragon training, it was highly unlikely that he had anything usefull to add on.

I already have a whole post about the Nadder fight so I’m going to keep this one shorter, basically Hiccup wasn’t paying any attention at all throughout the entire fight, resulting in him and Astrid almost getting killed. Astrid got mad at him and yelled at him, asking him if this was all some sort of joke to him, which was justified. He was treating it like a joke.

And after this the movie continues with Hiccup becoming this expert dragon killer, causing Astrid to become jealous and suspicious, which lead to Astrid finding Hiccup in the cove. Where she starts questioning Hiccup and where for the first time in the movie, she actually insults Hiccup for who he is as a person. Saying ‘Nobody gets as good as you do, especially you.’ And while it is rude, yeah she’s being a bitch and a sore loser about finishing second in dragon training don’t get me wrong, it does make sense from her perspective.

Astrid is fiercely competitive, it’s only logical for her to be mad at him when she lost against him. And it’s not like Astrid actually lost to the better warrior, she lost to someone who was quite obviously cheating.

Hiccup before he learned all of those tricks from Toothless was the worst one in the ring. He shouldn’t be able to beat her, not in a million years.

And when he keeps lying she beats him up a little for it, is that deserved? Maybe? Hiccup did cheat in dragon training and he kept lying straight to her face about it. And unlike Astrid who had trained her whole life for this, Hiccup had won with barely any effort, all the while pretending like it was barely a big deal.

Also, whenever Astrid gets too mad or flustered or anything above her limits of feelings, she punches someone.

In this movie she punched Snotlout in the face for making a comment about her figure, again if you think that is justified or not is your decision but Astrid has done this countless times. That’s just how she communicates, its not like she only does it to Hiccup.

And still when she suddenly saw a night fury, she told Hiccup to get down and run while she prepared to face off against it. After this she gets kidnapped and the romantic flight happens and she fully supports him for the rest of the movie.

So all things considered, I don’t think that Astrid treated him that badly. After all, how was she supposed to know that Hiccup was so distracted during dragon training, because he actually freed and was thinking about befriending a night fury?

From her perspective it’s only logical to be mad at Hiccup. Firstly, for not taking training seriously at all and secondly, suddenly being the best at it while quite obviously cheating to beat her.

I’m also not sure what people wanted from her before Hiccup got good in dragon training. Hiccup was a screw up. But Astrid tried to get him to actually try and take it seriously. And only when he didn’t do that, she got mad at him.

Was she nice while trying to motivate him? No.
But Astrid never treated Hiccup any worse than he deserved.

Astrid treated him a lot like how Gobber treated him. Now before you say I’m insane, I am not saying that Astrid was as supportive as Gobber.

What I am saying, is that much like Gobber, Astrid gives out harsh but truthfull advice and critique. And you can hate or love her for that, but she does that before and after Hiccup takes her on that romantic flight.

My biggest problem is with how people make her out to be some unnecessarily cruel person, which she isn’t, at least not in my opinion. I’m also not pretending like she was very nice towards Hiccup. She wasn’t nice to anyone.

Was she a bitch? Yeah. Did she have her reasons to be one? Also yeah.

Let me know what you guys think about Astrid as a person and how she treated Hiccup in the first how to train your dragon.

u/Strandjutter12 — 25 days ago
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I think the first season of Race to the Edge is underrated.

So on Tik Tok I saw a lot of rankings of the seasons of race to the edge and season 1 very often gets around a 6/10 rating, sometimes even less, which I don’t really understand. I loved this season.

In the show when they finally reached the outsides of the Archipelego, Astrid got super excited and it seemed like she couldn’t wait for a new adventure.

And that is basically the reaction that I had when I first watched this show and what I still have when I rewatch it now.

RTTE felt so fun and light in the first season, for example things like the first flight suit or the twins taking over the island. I like the fact that the hunters weren’t introduced yet, Dagur was perfect for the role of antagonist this season. Nothing too serious, but still a threat.

I have seen many people complain about the fact that there aren’t many high stakes in this season and while that is true, I don’t really mind that there weren’t any. I think it fits with what the season is trying to do.

I think that season 1 was a great introduction to the world outside of berk and who the riders are as people, before we got into the war with the dragon hunters.

And don’t get me wrong, I love all of the other seasons. I grew up with this show and I adore it.

Of course season 1 isn’t perfect and it can miss the mark on some episodes and plotlines, but I still really enjoy watching this season.

So when you rewatch RTTE, don’t skip over season one thinking that it’s only boring filler, I know it doesn’t seem like much compared to the other seasons, but give it a chance and hopefully you will enjoy it as much as when you first watched this show.

I could go on and on, and I might make a different post about what I loved about this season, but this post is a lot more of a question about what everyone else thought about this season and what they would rank it on a scale of 1-10.

I would give it around a 7.5, maybe a bit high but I love this season.

Let me know what you think about this season, underrated or overrated? And what you liked or disliked about it!

u/Strandjutter12 — 28 days ago
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Giving Dagur a childhood bully felt forced and unnecessary.

So in season 6 episode 1, the subplot of the episode contains Dagur confronting his old bully from when he was a child, because said old bully had stolen a dragon eye lens from Dagur when they were children. So Dagur has to help him catch the thunderfish, that was actually a seashocker, and so on. Eventually Dagur forgives his former tormentor and gets the lens back after he became the bigger person by forgiving him.

And the story line itself is fine, Dagur after all, became a bigger person and doesn’t let something like a childhood bully bother him anymore.

But I really don’t like that they gave Dagur a bully.

Dagurs redemption arc is good, really good and you can tell there was a lot of thought and effort put into it. But the fact that they gave him a childhood bully felt unnessacery to me.

Dagur was basically a psychopath, even as a child, almost drowning Hiccup, hurting animals as a kid, or at least that’s heavily implied in the first episode that Dagur showed up. What could “put down that chicken Dagur”, mean if he wasn’t hurting it. And he staged a coup that drove his father off the island into the sea untill he lived the rest of his days in Vanaheim.

In the show it also shows this. The second that Dagur arrived on berk, he didn’t even get off the boat before he threw a dagger right at Hiccups head. He could have killed him if Hiccup didn’t dodge and Dagur barely reacts to it. And right after this he just laughs about so called ‘retiring’ his father.

Dagur litteraly couldn’t stop laughing about almost drowning Hiccup when they were children, this was before he became chief of the beserkers and before he sent his father off to die.

Someone who is that level of deranged wouldn’t just leave someone alone who bullied him troughout his childhood. He would at the very least bully him right back and at worst would probably kill him.

He had no issues with killing people, he slaughtered Heathers entire village, so why wouldn’t he kill his childhood bully while he was very obviously in a psychotic state of mind.

In short: Giving Dagur a childhood bully felt forced. Like they were trying to make him a better and more relatable person before his redemption arc even started.

Dagur was always a popular character and it felt like they tried to make us feel more sympathetic towards him by giving Dagur a bully. But that just doesn’t work with who he was as a person back then.

But that is my opinion. I think that Dagur is still a great and funny character in both shows, in RTTE the best in my opinion.

Let me know what you think!

u/Strandjutter12 — 28 days ago
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HTTYD Homecoming treats Hiccup absolutely horribly and almost nobody talks about it.

I have seen countless videos and discussions about how the third movie treated Hiccup so poorly, but I barely see anything about how badly they treated Hiccup in HTTYD Homecoming.

I think that this short movie had many things that didn’t make sense, like Hiccup and Astrid never telling their children about the dragons and the dragons being good and kind creatures, but the thing that bothers me most is the way they treat Hiccup.

The entire third movie is mostly about how Hiccup feels that he is nothing without Toothless and they make Astrid give him a whole speech about how he is still a great person without Toothless. But then in this short movie they treat him absolutely horribly and act like he accomplished nothing in his life.

That even taming Toothless and making peace between Vikings and dragons by defeating the red death didn’t happen and that Stoick was the one who did everything.

Like am I supposed to find it funny that nobody cares about Hiccup and his work in achieving peace with the dragons? Because he gets treated as a joke troughout the entire movie.

Astrid, supposedly the love of his live, just doesn’t care enough about him to actually stand with him when talking to Gobber, to the point that she actually goes and defends Gobber for his choices in the pageant. Its ridiculous, why isn’t Astrid on Hiccups side?

She tells Hiccup that instead of when Hiccup and Toothless became friends, they should show when all Vikings and Dragons became friends. Does she mean when Hiccup was in a coma after he and Toothless defeated the red death? Does she want to show that? Because in the first movie that is when the rest Berk befriends the dragons. But still even then, that was directly because of Hiccup and Toothless defeating the Red Death.

Again, she says to look at the bigger picture, but no matter how you look at it, Hiccup was directly responsible for Berk befriending dragons and I don’t understand why Astrid won’t support him in this. Why does Astrid not want him to get the credit that he deserves?

And then she says that it is about getting the message across, but the thing is that Hiccup was the message. He was the one who did quite litteraly everything, from taming the first dragon to rescuing everybody who was at the dragons nest and killing the red death, ending all of the dragon attacks.

Even integrating the dragons into daily life on berk as shown in riders of berk, that was him, but no lets just make a joke out of him and lets pretend like Stoick did everything instead.

Again, Hiccup was directly responsible for basically everything that changed between Vikings and dragons and they just brush over it, act like nothing happened. Because Gobber is all of a sudden obsessed with Stoick.

Now I don’t doubt that Gobber missed Stoick fiercely, those 2 had a bond like brothers but this was so overdone. And its not like that this would be what Stoick would have wanted, he told Hiccup at the end of the first movie that berk just needed a little more of him. Not of Stoick, no, they needed more of Hiccup.

And now they show that to the children of Berk by making Stoick the perfect hero and Hiccup the son who did absolutely nothing.

Hiccup did basically everything in achieving peace between the dragons and Vikings and when he complains about the play being mean and inaccurate to his friends and family, they just act like he’s being ridiculous, that its normal that his father gets all of the credit for ending the war, while Hiccup was the one who ended it and suffered from it. He was the one who lost his leg while saving his tribe, but they just act like it never even happened.

Again why does Astrid of all people not support Hiccup in this? She was the one who gave him that speech about how he changed her and how he was the reason she became the person she was and to thank Hiccup for making her a better person, Astrid doesn’t support Hiccup at all.

Like she litteraly doesn’t do anything except for mistaking Tuffnut for Hiccup in that stupid costume and after that the only thing that she does is disrespect and ignore Hiccups feelings.

She just walks right over him, not caring that her husband and the father of their children gets absolutely zero credit for ending a war that lasted centuries, and that him ending said war caused him to lose his leg. She doesn’t care about his feelings at all and constantly overmines him without a care in the world.

During the pageant Hiccup tells Astrid about how hard it was that the entire tribe doubted him, especially his father, but she just shrugs it off. And when he complains about the many things that didn’t happen she just tells him that Gobber took some creatieve liberties. And the worst part, when he says that he doesn’t want to go trough with the pageant, Astrid just shoves him into that Toothless costume anyway and it seems like they are trying to make it seen funny, but its not funny.

Its just plain rude and inconsiderate and if Hiccup treated Astrid like this she would have castrated him, but because it’s Hiccup that is being treated like absolute shit, the movie just doesn’t care.

She blatantly disrespects and ignores his feelings and apparently were just supposed to laugh about it, like its funny that his wife is forcing him to do something that he obviously doesn’t want to do, while ignoring his protests and his feelings about doing it.

And at the end of the film, he actually thanks Astrid for making him see that it was about getting the message across, that how they did it didn’t matter. And he thanks Gobber for honoring the memory of his father. Which again, both are such bullshit, it does matter how you get the message across. And just because Gobber misses Stoick they ruined Hiccups legacy infront of all of the children of the tribe.

Its not like they’re actually honoring Stoick either. Instead of actually honoring him, they gave Stoick his sons accomplishments and acted like everything was fine that way. It was just so disrespectful towards Hiccup and towards Stoick as well.

This movie just sucks so much. Again, Hiccup is the entire reason why Vikings and Dragons lived in peace, he was the one who showed Berk that peace was possible between Vikings and Dragons. If it wasn’t for Hiccup, the entire village would still be on berk while fighting dragons like the 300 years before Hiccup came along or they would have been destroyed or taken over by someone like Drago or Johann.

But no, thank you Astrid you’re right as always, because lying to your children and putting on a play for the village that shows your husband as a coward, while he was the first one brave enough to go against 300 years of traditions, is super logical and totally not unfair, disrespectful and hurtful.

Astrid does nothing this movie except disrespect her husband and his feelings, and then getting thanked for it by said husband. Speaking of which, why doesn’t Hiccup stand up for himself? This Hiccup is 30 years old with a family and has been the chief of the tribe for a decade, why is he still acting like an insecure 15 year old?

This movie decided that instead of paying respect to one of the best animated characters in history, they would make a joke out of him for a bad short movie.

Now there was still some good in this movie, the baby Nightlights were actually really funny and I really liked Zephyr and Nuffink. Zephyr especially, that scene where she sees Toothless for the first time is amazing, but the bad definitely outweighs the good.

Especially the way Gobber and Astrid treated Hiccup. Those 2 should be the people who support him the most, but they just don’t and that is so dissapointing and weird to me.

The way Hiccup gets treated just isn’t funny. Its incredibly rude and disrespectful. The only thing that this short movie did was prove that Hiccups fears and insecurities in the third movie were justified, because the second Toothless left they treated him horribly.

It definitely had a lot of potential and it had some good moments, but the way that Hiccups gets treated troughout the film is just so bad, that I can’t really enjoy the movie.

Let me know your opinions about Homecoming and what you thought about my opinion.

u/Strandjutter12 — 1 month ago