The Trinity Delusion

The Trinity Delusion

The Father will judge. How?

THROUGH A MAN. WHAT MAN? YESHUA, WHO TOLD YOU HE IS A MAN (JOHN 8:40)!

He also told Pilate he was born (John 18:37) but that is another post!

Exactly what do you think Yeshua says throughout his life when the words he speaks are commanded by someone else? (Deuteronomy 18:18) if the Father does the works (John 14:10) in Yeshua, who are the works? The Father.

How is it a co-equal, co-eternal separate and distinct second person cannot speak for themselves but is commanded by someone else what to say? (Deuteronomy 18:18), how does that work? It doesn’t work, it is a farce!

When Yeshua says at John 2:19 that he will raise it up, whose works are these?

When Yeshua mentions the Alpha and Omega or the first and the last, whose works are these, whose words does Yeshua speak? The Father, which is not him (Yeshua)!

Watch the video and be enlightened.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 5 days ago
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Per Moderator 528: Deuteronomy 18:18…

Let’s revisit Deuteronomy 18:18!

A Prophet I shall raise to them from within their brethren like you and I shall put my words in his mouth, and he shall say to them everything that I shall command him.

God's promise through Moses makes it very clear that Yeshua was not YHWH but someone who spoke on behalf of YHWH so that people would not need to hear the voice of God. These words also show us it was the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6) who spoke to Israel out of the fire on the mountain when He gave them the Law. Even further, since we know it was the Father who spoke out of the fire, we also know Moses was referring to the Father when he said, "Yahweh, He is God, and there is no other but Him!

If you trinitarians constantly use John 1:1 for your imagination, that Yeshua is YHWH because the word was God, is YHWH talking to YHWH @ Deuteronomy 18:18? If so, enlighten us as to how a Co-equal, co-eternal, distinct, separate YHWH tells the other Co-equal and co-eternal everything he commands and expects him to do it?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 5 days ago

Hebrews 4:12: If the word of God is ALIVE and ACTIVE, what happened to this word when Yeshua was dead for three days? Nothing, the word is not a person!

Yeshua himself, although Revelation mostly refers to future events, tells you “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18)

Remember also, although in the future and to eternity, Yeshua has on his robe at his thigh the verbiage “The word of God” (Revelation 19:13). Prior to what he will be to eternity, which is not YHWH, it is the word “of” YHWH, “from” YHWH, the Father alone. At Revelation 19:13, the name is not YHWH, it is the word “of” YHWH!

In addition thereto, out of the mouth of Yeshua, he said:

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Matthew 24:35)

Where was the word of YHWH then since Yeshua was dead for three days and his words will never pass away?

We know there will be a new Heaven and a new earth which has not occurred yet, if Yeshua is the word of YHWH and his words will never pass away and Yeshua was dead, what happened to his word?

Nothing, the word is not a person.

Yeshua does the will of somebody else and he does so perfectly and this word tabernacles in Yeshua once he is baptized, according to John 1:14.

The words of YHWH are alive and active and will never pass away and this is also expressed of wisdom at Proverbs 8.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 7 days ago
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Mark 7:6-7: These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.

It is not good to be a hypocrite. If you practice “thy will be done”, every day, you get closer and closer to the Kingdom of Heaven!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 7 days ago

When Yeshua said “I was dead” at Revelation 1:18, who died?

A body has no life, the person who has the body has life, a body did not die for anyone’s sins, Yeshua did! “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18) means that Yeshua died, he is the one who said “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18), his body did not say “I was dead” because his body cannot speak, Yeshua can speak and say “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18), his mouth did not say “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18), his mouth is where the sound comes from to say “I was dead” (Revelation 1:18) but it was Yeshua speaking not the mouth!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 9 days ago

John 14:12 What does it mean? Trinitarians, since the Son is God to you, please enlighten us at to John 14:12.

If John 14:12 doesn’t mean what it says, if Yeshua didn’t say what he means, then please enlighten us as to what it means to do greater works than Yeshua did? The absence of a response doesn’t mean that this goes away, Yeshua said these things, from his own mouth, he uttered them to other human beings and told them they could do greater works than these! Then what? John 14:11 says by the mouth of Yeshua:

“On account of the works”, his works, Yeshua’ works.

If Yeshua is YHWH, how can human beings do greater works than God? If you have an issue with this, why blame the messenger? These are the words of Yeshua. If Yeshua is not God, then it makes more sense, doesn’t it, when Yeshua says these things? If you understood John 14:12 completely, Yeshua invites human beings to do greater works than he did because he advocates on your behalf to make them happen but not because he is God but because he is the brother (Romans 8:29, John 20:17) to the set apart, loving his brothers.

Here is John 14:12 again:

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

What does this say? Exactly what it means. If you believe in Yeshua you will do his works “I have been doing” and “they will do even greater things than these”!

Are you doing greater things than God? You are if you believe the trinity! Sorry, you are. Stop doing that!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 9 days ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/ZAPtUg5AQx

This has been removed from the Christianity community by a moderator who he said I was forcing a debate, it is lame and I appealed but who knows what they will do. YHWH knows the motivation and heart of every person and there will be no escape!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 9 days ago

Currently 832 members here, we slowed down quite a bit after our community does not support pre-existence. However, this is a community which rightly says that the trinity is illogical, nonsensical, is not what Yeshua believed nor his disciples and is a mock doctrine from below.

It is a task hard for most to follow but if you support the trinity and decide that you finally “see the light” expect chaos from your family, spouse, kids, dog, cat, church, pastor, friend, fellow co-workers and to give you a hint of what is to come:

From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. (Luke 12:52)

If you are not ready for this, then you are not fit for the kingdom!

This requires great patience, love and objective awareness. Expect what Yeshua said:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. (John 15:18) Trees, rivers, oceans, canyons do not hate you, people do!

If you expect people to marvel at your signs of healing the sick and raising the dead, don’t be, especially when they say to you and others what they said to Yeshua:

But when the Pharisees heard about the miracle, they said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan, the prince of demons.” (Matthew 12:24) The descendants of the Pharisees number greatly today and are as close to you as your dog or cat!

If you cannot, at least in part or somewhat, demonstrate this, you are not fit for the kingdom.

Does this sound harsh, should eternal life be granted to you by sitting on the sidelines watching a show? Exactly what do you think is required of you to receive eternal life?

Are you smoking, drinking, chasing woman, have an ego and pride? Chasing wealth are you? Do you admire yourself? Who are you? Do you think you can intellectualize yourself into the Kingdom? (Matthew 11:25, Matthew 18:3).

The journey isn’t easy but you must make an effort and YHWH who sees what you do in private, will reward you. Nothing hidden shall not be revealed. (Luke 8:17)

Blessings to all of you, not just the members here!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 13 days ago
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What did Yeshua mean when he was speaking at John 14:24? Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. If they belong to somebody else, how is Yeshua co-equal and co-eternal, separate and distinct?

Why didn’t Yeshua simple say “anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching for I am the word of YHWH”?

In fact Yeshua has never said “I am the word of YHWH” and in the future, at Revelation 19:13, he indeed reflects this word and has earned this expression as he is commanded by someone else what to say (Deuteronomy 18:18) and was placed at the right hand of power by somebody else, the Father (Psalm 110:1) because of his reverent submission (Hebrews 5:7)!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 13 days ago
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What did the original Bible manuscripts look like? No spacing, no periods, no commas, no chapters, no verses! How did you determine between god and God?

The Original Manuscripts were all capitalized. Plus, no spaces, no chapters, no verses, no periods, no commas. Who determined between “GOD” and “god”?

Even more, who determined who was speaking?

If you read this in all caps, how do you determine between sand or a person named Sandy?

ITISSANDYATTHEBEACH?

How many of you read the above as there is sand at the beach?🏖️

How many of you read it as a person named Sandy is at the beach?🏝️

How would you determine the difference if they are all in caps? Hmmm?

Another example of taking the original manuscripts and interpreting them correctly is where to place a comma. The sentence spoken by Yeshua to the criminal to his right.

Truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise!

Where does the comma go? It wasn’t in the original transcript and it looked like this:

TRULYITELLYOUTODAYYOUWILLBEWITHMEINPARADISE

Where does the comma go?

If it goes before the word “today”, the criminal enters paradise instantaneously, is that law? No, it isn’t, furthermore, the criminal beats Yeshua into Heaven and Yeshua reminds him that he will be with him in Paradise! How can this be?

Does the comma go after the word “today”? Yes, it must! Why? Because no one enters the Kingdom of Heaven besides Yeshua, the chief cornerstone, until the sheep are separated from the goats.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 15 days ago
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What is the word (Greek “logos”) at John 1:1? It is action, not a person! See wisdom expressed at Proverbs 8 and is a personification!

Wisdom is calling, understanding is raising HER voice (Proverbs 8:1).

YHWH made me as the beginning of his way (Proverbs 8:22).

I was appointed before the world (Proverbs 8:23)

When I was brought forth, there were no ocean depths, no springs brimming with water (Proverbs 8:24)

I was brought forth before the hills (Proverbs 8:25)

When he established the heavens, I was there (Proverbs 8:27)

I was with him as someone he could trust (Proverbs 8:30)

Wisdom has built HERSELF a house, she has carved her seven pillars (Proverbs 9:1)

Wisdom cannot build a house, it isn’t a person, people build houses! People have one nature, human, same as Yeshua (John 8:40)! If you understood idioms, personifications and metaphors, you would understand scripture a lot better. Wisdom here is a personification of a female, wisdom is not a woman and Yeshua is not female.

At John 1:14 and the baptism of Yeshua, the word becomes flesh because the Son of God (John 10:36, Matthew 16:16-17) does the will of somebody else, YHWH. That word (logos) tabernacles within Yeshua because Yeshua is the perfect example of what a Son of God should be and YHWH says this is my son in whom I am well pleased (Matthew 3:17)

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 18 days ago
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Yeshua says “ I am the Son of God” John 10:36 and repeats this with Kefa at Matthew 16:16-17, when did Yeshua call himself “God the Son”?

You will not find the term “God the Son” anywhere in scripture just like you will not find the word “trinity” in scripture. Many contend that just because the word “trinity” is not in scripture, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Okay! However just like the word “trinity” never appears in scripture, neither does the term “God the Son” but there is a difference here. The correct term “Son of God” DOES appear about 50 times in scripture. The term “God the Son” (the inversion of “Son of God”) DOES NOT appear anywhere in scripture. Yeshua never called himself “God the Son” and neither did anyone he met during his earthly existence.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 21 days ago
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Matthew 24:36 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

As Yeshua correctly sits at the right hand of power, (Psalm 110:1, placed there by somebody else), Yeshua still does not know the day or hour of his return, as he said, only the Father knows, which excludes Yeshua and the third “person”!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 22 days ago
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The words that I say to you … (whose words are they)? (John 14:10)

“The WORDS that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his work.” (John 14:10)

If Yeshua later becomes the word of God as some form of title, the words he speaks are still from somebody else, who? YHWH, the Father alone!

“…the word you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me.” (John 14:24)

If the word is a person, why does Yeshua say this?

“for I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak (Deuteronomy 18:18) And I know that his (who?) commandment is eternal life. What I speak, therefore, I speak just as the Father has told me.” (John 12:49-50) why would a co-equal, co-eternal, separate and distinct second person need somebody else in order to know what to say and what to speak? (Deuteronomy 18:18)

How is Yeshua the word of God as a person but cannot speak on his own? Trinitarians (which is 90% of all Christian churches) claim that Yeshua is a co-equal, co-eternal, second person of a 3 person polytheistic triune godhead, how is it this co-equal and co-eternal second person is commanded by someone else what to say? (Deuteronomy 18:18)

(While praying) “For I gave them (the disciples, followers) the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.” (John 17:8)

What words did the word of God give the disciples from himself? Nothing! His words are not his own (John 12:49-50) Then whose words are they?

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33)

Even Yeshua died for three days and no, it wasn’t flesh that died, Yeshua did, he said it himself (Revelation 1:18)… “I was dead”. While Yeshua was dead for three days, what happened to his words which Yeshua claimed would never pass away? Nothing happened to his words, why? Because the word is not a person. If the word of God is a person, the word was dead for three days and Yeshua said his words will never pass away and none of his words are from him but the Father who commands him what to say. (Deuteronomy 18:18)

How is the word of God a person who does not speak on his own (John 14:24), does somebody else’s works (John 14:10), claims the words that he speaks are not his and says his words will never pass away (Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33) and dies for three days (Revelation 1:18) And btw, I absolutely believe Yeshua is the word of YHWH, especially in the future (Revelation 19:13)!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 23 days ago
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Matthew 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only. This excludes the second and third person of the trinity. How many natures does the third person have?

Yeshua rightly says that only the Father knows the day or hour (Matthew 24:36) which excludes the second and third “person” of the trinity. Many contend that Yeshua doesn’t know the day or hour because he has two natures, since the third “person” also does not know the day or hour, how many natures does the third “person” have?

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 1 month ago

Proverbs 3:8… God by wisdom founded the earth, by understanding he established the Heavens!

The Greek word for “word” is logos, which is not a person, yet millions of you read John 1:1 and the word “word” as Yeshua, it isn’t, 🛑 stop doing that. It is wisdom/divinity. Many of you read Proverbs 8 as if it is Yeshua…

IT ISN’T …

It is wisdom and it has a female gender and yet it isn’t a woman. This is a personification.

If you take the time oh trinitarian to understand idioms, personifications and metaphors, you will begin your journey to realize that the trinity is a farce and that Yeshua did not pre-exist his existence. This is wisdom at John 1:1 and if you retort back here in response that John 1:2 mentions a human being because of the word “him”, other Bibles at John 1:2 have: “The same was in the beginning with God”.

You need to understand languages and that many give inanimate objects or other words male and female genders. The Greeks for instance give a male gender to all nouns. The French, Spanish, German, Latin and Hebrew do the same things. A car is not a man and a table is not a woman, so you can call the car “him” and the table “her” but a car is not a man and a table is not a woman. The word “him” in John can easily be “it” and that fits perfectly with wisdom and the logos at John 1:1.

“YHWH made me as the beginning of his way” Proverbs 8:22. Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“I was appointed before the world” (Proverbs 8:23) who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“ when I was brought forth, there were no ocean depths no springs brimming with water” (Proverbs 8:24) Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“ I was brought forth before the hills, before the mountains had settled in place, he had not yet made the Earth, the fields, or even the Earth’s first grains of dust. Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“ I was with him as someone he could trust”. (Proverbs 8:30) Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua! “I” is a personal pronoun here but it isn’t a person.

“For me, every day was pure delight.” (Proverbs 8:30) Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua! But it says “me”? Yes, it does, it says in every Bible that wisdom is female yet wisdom is not a person and is not a woman here. It is a personification!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 2 months ago
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Proverbs 3:19 YHWH by wisdom founded the earth, by understanding he established the heavens.

The Greek word for “word” is logos, which is not a person, yet millions of you read John 1:1 and the word “word” as Yeshua, it isn’t, 🛑 stop doing that. It is wisdom/divinity as well if you will. Many of you read Proverbs 8 as if it is Yeshua…

IT ISN’T …

It is wisdom and it has a female gender and yet it isn’t a woman. This is a personification.

If you take the time oh trinitarian to understand idioms, personifications and metaphors, you will begin your journey to realize that the trinity is a farce and that Yeshua did not pre-exist his existence. This is wisdom at John 1:1 and if you retort back here in response that John 1:2 mentions a human being because of the word “him”, other Bibles at John 1:2 have: “The same was in the beginning with God”.

You need to understand languages and that many give inanimate objects or other words male and female genders. The Greeks for instance give a male gender to all nouns. The French, Spanish, German, Latin and Hebrew do the same things. A car is not a man and a table is not a woman, so you can call the car “him” and the table “her” but a car is not a man and a table is not a female. The word “him” in John can easily be “it” and that fits perfectly with wisdom and the logos at John 1:1.

“YHWH made me as the beginning of his way” Proverbs 8:22. Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“I was appointed before the world” (Proverbs 8:23) who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“ when I was brought forth, there were no ocean depths no springs brimming with water” (Proverbs 8:24) Who? Wisdom, not Yeshua!

“ I was brought forth before the hills, before the mountains had settled in place, he had not yet made the Earth, the fields, or even the Earth’s first grains of dust.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 2 months ago

John 14:24 If Yeshua says these words are not my own than how do trinitarians claim Yeshua is YHWH?

Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. (John 14:24)

If the words Yeshua spoke are not his, then how is he the word of God in the future at Revelation 19:13? The word “of” means from. Further, Wisdom is the word at John 1:1 as stated in Proverbs 8 and the first part of 9. The Greeks called this word “logos” and logos is not a person.

Wisdom was there with God and is God, not Yeshua. Yeshua does not do his own works (John 14:10). Of myself, says Yeshua, I can do nothing (John 5:30) and he said he does not teach his own doctrine (John 7:16).

Therefore, how is Yeshua a co-equal, co-eternal, separate and distinct second person who is YHWH?

HE ISNT!

How does the “word of God” claim the words he speaks are not his own at John 14:24 and in Revelation 19:13 Yeshua is indeed the “word of God”! Because he perfectly does the will of somebody else, YHWH, the Father alone (Deuteronomy 6:4)!

Yes, it is true, Revelation 19:13 hasn’t happen yet but it will and soon. 🔜

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 — 2 months ago