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Where is the Moon? I was suprised, knowing that the First House is Earth and Gideon/Harrow both are very struck by how different the sky/planet is to them, that they never mention Earth's Moon, either approaching in orbit or once they're outside at Cannan house.

So given how *messed* up the rest of the planets are, what do we think happened to it? Does Muir just not care about the Moon or is there a greater signifcance?

Personally, since we know the first RB to arrive showed up 'unexpectedly'(well at least to the lyctors, It seems like John may have had an idea), I wonder if one of them *ate* it and added it to their Corpus. Is the man on the Moon now juat a leering skull poking out of some RBs head?

Thoughts?/theories/speculation/memes welcome, is it safe John? What did he do to it?

Question here, why do people put forward the theory that Gideon died during the fight that resulted in the tomb opening when Harrow and Gideon were children?

Below is some is my reasoning as to why that isnt nessecary, but I'm looking for alternatives/holes in that reasoning or evidence supporting the idea here.

Section 1: Gideons 'Immortality'

Theres been a lot said about Gideon and how she is special as the Son of John/potential inheritor/sharer of the Earth's gift/soul what have you. Obviously, we've seen evidence that her body does not behave entirely according to normal human expecations. That's most explicit in 2 sitatuons imo. First, her ambigous survival of the gas attack during Harrows conception, and Second, her body status as that of a Incorrupt Saint, not decomposing despite her death at the end of GtN.

Now we know that Gideon very much is *not* invulnerable (She's for example, very fucked up during the fight with Cynthera) but it seems like a common theory is that her soul will return to her body and essentially self resurrect if it is free to do so.

Now the above is imo, reasonable as a premise. Its a good explanation for how she appears to have survived the childhood gas (which seems to be some kind of Sarin gas analogue so we can agree that her survival through mundane means is essentially impossible). Since nobody was in any condition to check on her, she could have easily died and revived when the gas cleared and they came to check the aftermath.

I've also heard it suggested that she does die during the draining trial and simply resurrects before anyone notices. Now, given that Harrow is monitoring her life force this seems more challenging but still plausible given we dont know the mechanics of her resurrection. What this does tell us is that harrow doesnt detect a 'you died' thanergy bloom during this situation (and if we assume she would lie of this Pal is also right there). All that seems fine though as the wording of her passing out obviously suggests the idea that she might have died (then I died, etc) Imo those two occurances range between extremely imo, likely, and plausible. I'm certainly not going to bat to argue that she couldnt have died in both these scenarios and recovered before folks realized what was happening.

Part 2: Opening the Tomb

During the Nona finale, Pal appears to (i say appears because this section is deliberatly disjointed due to nonas body essentially exploding) use a necromancy bloom from Crux's death along with Gideon's blood to spoof the final seal and open the tomb fully. Now this generally lines up with the requirements and expecation from the lyctors original plan: Use a sacrifice and the blood of god's close relative to spoof the divine seal.

Part 3: The Big Fight

We know that shortly before the tomb opened, Harrow and Gideon got in a huge fight that resulted in Harrow having Gideon's blood under her nails and Harrow crawling away after being throttled. This is mostly coming from a few different moments where gideon talks about things (telling Pal about it in gtn and then reminiscing again during htn) Harrows pov on it is more oblique, so ive relied on it less beyond the fact it supports the blood idea. I dont think the blood is super controversial or the fact they got into a big fight before the final tomb opening. I think the idea that this blood allowed harrow to spoof the tomb seal is plausible, even if Harrow likely would have had to do so inadvertently.

Part 4: The Tomb and Gideons 'Third Death' alternatives

However, I see folks take these events and extrapolate that for Harrow to open the tomb as a child, Gideon must have died. Why would this be the case? A final total death is very much *not* the only source of thanergy. We know that in additon to when a soul leaves a body, thanergy is created by all sorts of cell death and that necromancers *habitually* use sources of thanergy less extreme than killing someone (they use thalergy and convert it like the draining trial, they use their own blood, they use other peoples blood, they use their own life force all the time, exerting themselves till they sweat blood and pass out frequently).

And we know that Harrow is a *extremely* competent and extremely driven necromancer who is able to pull *way more* magic out of a given amount of energy than most people (we see this through how many skeletons she can make from a given amount of bone for example).

In gtn We also see Pal comment on the idea of a dying necromancer being more powerful. He is critical of the idea, not because it doesnt provide thanergy, but because he thinks you'd only get 10 minutes of use before your organs and shut down. Pal at that point has no intention of dying, so it makes sense that he'd see that as a foolish waste.

However, Harrow isn't someone who shares that pov at this point in her life in the slightest.

We know that rather than being *murderous* at this moment in Harrows life, she was instead, suicidal. She fully intended to get the tomb open and kill herself if she didnt like the answers it gave her. The reasoning for this is fairly well explained due to the horror of her birth and potentially exacerbated in this moment due to fight with her only peer and literal walking reminder of her parent's atrocity.

So rather than Gideon dying in the fight that preceded the final opening of the tomb, why could harrow not have simply disregarded her *own* safety and health to generate a large amount of thanergy. A 'succeed or die trying' attempt driven by her despair and need to know what was in there? It seems like this requires less narrative misremembering from Gideon and Harrow about the events leading up to the tomb opening than Gideon having been killed in that fight and it being uncommented on.

Am I missing some reasons this explination wouldnt work?

P.S. other thoughts

Some thoughts I had that I didn't fit into the main points.

'It needs to be a massive amount of thanergy' -> the use of infants in the first sitatuons supports this idea in HtN since Harrow mentions infants create the biggest bloom by far. Of course in Ntn they use a 100+ years old dying man, so i dont think thats the requirement, we dont have a strong idea of the differnce in thanergy between cruxs death Harrow using 99 percent of her energy and abilities to get it open but its obviously not requiring 100 percent of the max from a child.

Also considered the, if you dont need a death, why do they kill Crux. Well nona's legs are falling off, theyre desperate, Crux wants them to and Kirona is all to willing to agree. Theres a lot of 'panic/hurry' factors going on there that imo Harrow would not nessecarily be constrained by and would not need as brute force a method.

Tldr, I am in agreement on the fight providing the blood, just not the requisite thanergy bloom