u/TheWorthlessGuy
Superman (DC comics) counters every single ability that Gojo (JJK) has, let me explain.
First, let's start with Gojo's litmitless, infinity.
Infinity works by dividing the distance between Gojo and an attack into an infinitely smaller distance:
This would mean that any opponent who has finite speed would never reach Gojo as the distance between the character and Gojo is always halfed and halfed and halfed until well… infinity.
How does Superman deal with this?
Superman states that concepts like spacetime and distance have lost meaning to him and that distances that cease to be distance can be crossed in mere moments by him:
This would unironically mean Superman can just fly through infinity itself and actually reach Gojo just fine. But I wanna provide more proof that it's consistent for Superman throughout his history and that it's not just a one off.
Superman has casually time traveled many, MANY times:
Time travelling via raw speed requires immeasureable speed, meaning you can cross an infinite amount of distance in 0 or negative time.
Lesser kryptonians like Supergirl can effortlessly fly through time:
So it's consistent for kryptonians that are weaker than Superman as well.
Superman even as a 5 year old kid is capable of going back/forward in time:
And finally, the biggest nail in the coffin…
Superman broke through the bonds of infinity by flying faster than infinite speed:
So yes, Superman can just fly through infinity.
Now, what about Infinite Void? Infinite Void, when casted onto an opponent, makes it so that your brain gets filled with an infinite amount of information:
"You're inside the limitless. Perception. Communication. The actions you take in life are forced upon you infinitely."
So how does Superman deal with this? Simple, he just tanks it.
In Superman: Up in the Sky #1, he is able to calculate Zeta beams, which have so much information that it made a Hyper-DC-Super computer commit suicide. There is so much information in there that it's an entire universe worth of information:
And universes in DC are infinite in size and scope AND expanding while being infinite:
Not only that, but there are an infinite amount of planes of existence between each molecule, atom and subatomic particle:
So Superman tanking an entire DC universe worth of information is more than an infinite amount of information.
But what about "Red" and "Blue" that then come into Hollow Purple? Wouldn't it mean that it creates an infinitely destroying attack destroys everything in it's path condensed into one point? Arguably yes with a loooooot of leeway and wank however just for the sake of the argument I'm gonna let it slide:
Well… Superman can tank Omega Beams which have an infinitely destructive effect and are existence erasure on top of that:
So yes, Superman counters or tanks every single Gojo ability.
u/TheWorthlessGuy — 13 days ago
Saw this post roughly from 7 hours ago and people thought there is an actual number that would allow Thraggs to beat comics Superman:
I'm here to show that Superman is beyond time, space, dimensions and the concept of infinity as a whole while being super casual.
I'll be speaking about current continuity Superman before he became King Omega, that being Infinite Frontier.
Everything after the Death Metal event became canon:
"Every epic battle that has ever happened is part of one timeline where everything matters."
And even Pre Crisis Wonder Woman talked to Death Metal Wonder Woman face to face:
"Then our multiverse will be restored, yes, but... quite different than before. First ALL history, all stories, will be remembered and set once and for all."
Meaning that truly everything in the past is canon now.
Which means we can use past versions of mainline comics Superman to scale this newest one that is a composite version.
And this newest Superman is stated to be the strongest Superman NUMEROUS times (6 times):
Meaning every single feat in the past is valid to use for current Superman.
STRENGTH/POWER
Superman is capable of shoulder pressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight:
Superman can sneeze entire solar systems:
Superman is capable of holding black holes in his hand:
Superman is capable of generating 10 000 000 000 decibels:
That amount of decibels would destroy this many universes: 10⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁹⁸⁹⁰
Superman is capable of generating enough power to restore an infinite amount of futures:
Superman casually seperated 2 universes:
Those 2 universes are actually universes:
2 Supermen are capable of shaterring space and time with just their punches:
New 52 Superman punches Braniac hard enough that all the other version of Braniac throughout other timelines get knocked out as well:
Post Crisis Superman was strong enough to fight Nebula Man who is a living universe:
Superman one punched Barbatos:
And Barbatos is extremely powerful, let me explain how powerful.
Barbatos destroyed 1 000 000 000 universes:
His scream shook the entire multiverse which threatened to destroy 52 universes and twisting their laws of physics:
He was the one who killed the World Forger in the Dark Multiverse:
Which further proves that Superman does truly scale over World Forger but we will talk about that later and I'll also explain World Forger scaling later.
Barbatos was capable of affecting the Dreaming itself which is located in Sphere of the Gods:
Sphere of the Gods is a platonic realm that is beyond the material plane, it holds beings such as Darkseid and other New Gods and Old Gods that are living ideas. SotG trascends dimensions, concepts, time and space:
The Dreaming which is inside SotG contains an infinite amount of layers and it is notional, it is transient in itself, neither real nor unreal:
And the Dreaming is beyond space:
So already we have Superman being high outerversal, bare minimum outerversal.
Superman is capable of shaking and destroying the entire Phantom Zone:
And the Phantom Zone is a timeless, boundless dimension that turns you into an abstract thought if you get caught in it:
Phantom Zone is also in Sphere of the Gods which is an outerversal realm that trascends dimensionality meaning affecting the entire Phantom Zone should be enough to make Superman outerversal based on those feats alone:
The Phantom Zone is also stated to be infinite in size numerous times:
Mr. Terrific thinks that Wally West has incalculable infinite power but he isn't sure if he is more powerful than Superman:
However the same Wally West says that he would never dare to fight Superman 1v1, he considers that suicide:
Superman defeated Darkfather in SINGLE PUNCH who had the power of Darkseid AND the Anti Life Equation:
And Superman says that the Anti Life Equation tickled which is insane considering what the Anti Life Equation is.
Anti Life Equation is strong enough to make as strong as Godheads from Sphere of the Gods:
It is capable of turning the strongest New Genesis Gods into powerless homeless people:
It is capable of controlling the Spectre:
And Spectre is a part of the Quintessence which are on the similiar level of Sphere of the Gods:
And Anti Life should be relative to the Life Equation which is capable of generating Source Walls on Earth:
And Source Wall is an extradimensional structure that spans dimensions both known and unknown and it is way beyond realms such as Sphere of the Gods.
Superman became so strong that concepts such as weight, distance, temperature, even spacetime have largely lost their meaning for him:
Superman no diffed Metallo who was amped by Orphan Boxes:
Orphan Boxes allow you to trascend life, death, entropy, time, space and the infinite paths:
Orphan Boxes also have the Source in them:
The Source in an extradimensional place beyond space and time, existing nowhere and everywhere at once, being at, and as, the center of the Greater Omniverse, encompassing and transcending all. As the Light of Creation, it is the pure informational totality, the very first knowable expression of existence, untainted and incomprehensible, containing all the many meanings of everything at once. All of existence enamates from it as a dream, extending to the very root of Time, a mathematical principle underlying all things. A fragment of the Source, known as the Philosopher’s Stone, can affect all of time and space:
I wouldn't say Superman scales to the entirety of the Source in just his base state or when amped by starlight however he does show some level of relativity to weapons or attacks that do contain the Source numerous times which I will mention in other categories such as durability, hax or speed or here in the strength department.
Superman is capable of breaking out of Mxyzptlk's game board and with said punch he destroyed an infinite amount of realities that Mxyzptlk put into the game board:
This is confirmed by one of the writers of this comic:
Superman is capable of one punching the World Forger after flying through multiple suns and cracking the 6th dimension:
Superman also got fed imagination from Mxyzptlk for that moment:
So he was double amped. However current Superman, after getting all of the memories from his other past selves, believes that he is stronger than ever which should include this World Forger moment.
If you don't wanna count it for Rebirth Superman then it should 100% be counted for Infinite Frontier Superman.
This is an insane feat for many reasons, I'll have to explain the 6th dimension, 5th dimension and how strong World Forger and Mxyzptlk are since all of these 3 characters are tied together when it comes to scaling. First, I'll cover the 6th and 5th dimension.
The 6th and 5th dimensions are NOT spatial dimensions, They are realms of certain existence that are beyond Hypertime, Monitor Sphere, Limbo and Sphere of the Gods and SotG is an outerversal realm.
Scott Snyder himself outright says that the 5th and 6th dimension are not ACTUAL spatial dimensions in an interview with Imaginary Axis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbTu_FARuyI&t=128s
These 2 realms (6th and 5th dimension) are beyond:
- The Bleed is an omni dimensional, pan dimensional crimson coloured space that seperates an infinite amount of universes:
Sphere of the Gods, which we talked about.
Limbo which is is the last outpost of existence proper before reaching the archetypal Monitor World and the Overvoid, where the forgotten characters of the DCU end up:
It has no time and space, it has no stories either.
- The Monitor Sphere which is an archetypal world:
- Hypertime which is a structure that contains an infinite amount of realities, timelines, multiverses, metaverses and canon and non canon stories:
And all of this is below the 5th and 6th dimension which means Superman upscales from all of these realms and levels of existance.
5th dimension is imagination, the energy source is "dytpjg:"
It is the lifeblood of the DC multiverse all the way from the Microverse up to the 6th dimension:
Mxyzptlk in that panel explains the 6th dimension as well which is the control room of the entire multiverse, only 4 beings powerful enough exist to even, well… exist in the 6th dimension.
That being the World Forger, Monitor, Anti Monitor and Perpetua.
And all of these 4 beings are beyond Mxyzptlk.
Mxy can barely open a small door to the 6th dimension:
6th dimensional "happenings" are outside of his perception:
This makes a clear scaling chain.
Superman > World Forger > Mxyzptlk.
World Forger built Hypertime:
The World Forger created his Multiverse and through his negotiations with Mister Mxyzptlk to unwrite the existing one, a "crisis anvil" would appear before him to strike with his hammer so that his Multiverse would descend to replace the vanished one:
He created his own multiverse with its own version of Apokolips that is hundreds of times larger than the original.
With a single strike of his hammer he creates a universe:
And World Forger > Mxyzptlk as Mxyzptlk himself admits to being weaker than WF. Let's get into Mxyzpltk scaling.
Mxyzptlk sees the DC multiverse as a 2D disk:
He percieves Superman through infinite realities on a game board:
He can erase the multiverse:
Mxyzptlk can erase entire concepts:
He can move through Hypertime:
Mxyzptlk can also go into the real world to the DC offices to change the script:
Mxy remembers all of his other versions including Lego and the DCAU:
Mxy can erase the artist's pencil and the multiverse:
Mxyzptlk can erase concepts:
For some consistency, a random child got the power of a Kryptonian and instantly bodied an imp from the 5th dimension which would mean Superman far upscales from this:
Superman is capable of fighting and one punching his own death:
He broke the bonds of emotion, physics, space and time just by doing that. Not only that though as in 2nd scan Superman says that he sees all of creation as a mere dream meaning he could see the entire DC cosmology as something small as a dream.
Superman is capable of flying through Phantom Stranger and shattering him on a metaphysical level, Phantom Stranger being somebody who is relative to the Spectre:
SPEED
Superman in just mere moments can cross distances that cease to be distance:
Superman has casually time traveled many, MANY times:
Lesser kryptonians like Supergirl can effortlessly fly through time:
Superman can fly up to infinitely long towers:
He can fly up a well that has no bottom:
Superman broke through the bonds of infinity by flying faster than infinite speed:
Superman flies faster than imagination itself which is beyond space, time and dimensions:
Superman even as a 5 year old kid is capable of going back/forward in time:
He can cross the entire universe in 60 days and the universe is infinite and expanding:
I think this section is easy to understand. Superman's speed cannot be calculated, it's beyond the speed formula therefore he has bare minimum infinite speed and consistently he is in the immeasureable speed ranges.
DURABILITY/RESISTANCES
Superman can withstand supernovas exploding on top of him:
Superman can withstand Source Wall explosions which is stated to be pan dimensional in the very same panel (pan = all):
He can endure strikes from Doomsday:
Same Doomsday that can crack the Phantom Zone and dogwalk Darkseid in his own realm:
Superman can endure Omega Beams which erase you from existance on a fundamental level, it erases you from the past, present and future as if you never existed:
Superman can endure punches from Superboy Prime that destroy time and space with very slight amount of damage:
Superman is capable of fighting and tanking All Magic Bizarro's punches and magical attacks
This Bizarro is so strong that when Dr. Fate came into contact with this Bizarro, Dr. Fate got instantly turned into an another Bizarro:
Meanwhile Superman can resist it:
Superman resisted Mister Mxyzptlk's realm without physics, gravity, reality as well as fractured space-time. Mxyzptlk also attempted to erase Superman from all of reality and memory:
https://imgur.com/a/super-dad-vs-mxyzptlk-superman-19-qc80M
And Mxyzptlk failed to do anything to Superman despite doing all of that.
Superman is capable of resisting his own story being erased by the Retconn Corps:
Their job is to erase stories with a special device but they were unable to do that with Superman.
He can push through telekinesis:
He can survive his soul being damaged, his body losing willpower, losing solar energy and losing colour from the Hollow Men:
He can instantly recover from instant death attacks like against his own manifestation of his own death:
Capable of resisting an infinitely coloured spectrum of kryptonite that is not only from the Dark Multiverse but it's also amped with special machinary that Darkfather built, while he is being blasted with all of this he resisted the Anti Life Equation:
Is resistant to his own Heat vision and withstood heat vision as intense as his own:
https://imgur.com/a/man-of-steel-vol-1-4-6CiUbLN
https://imgur.com/a/man-of-steel-vol-1-5-lO6QQ83
Survived soul attacks from Etrigon:
Superman resists transmutation (important):
He can survive against Doomsday's molecular death aura:
https://imgur.com/a/can-survive-against-doomsdays-molecular-death-aura-1Lw58
Broke out of full chrono suspension, outright broke time itself:
Meaning he is resistant to time stops.
He is resistant to intangbility:
https://imgur.com/a/supermans-molecules-are-too-dense-flash-to-vibrate-through-t16Ai
Time Manipulation:
https://imgur.com/gallery/superman-immunity-to-time-freeze-QtrAgyp
Existence Erasure:
Superman is a lynchman in the DC metaverse, he stands as the beacon of hope and concept of hope itself. He is a walking timeline that cannot be erased "magically, reality warpingly, metaphysically" and not even narratively:
Superman's meta hax resistence ability is so strong that Dr Manhattan couldn't pull off erasing Superman and the conclusion of that comic is Dr Manhattan realizing you CANNOT erase Superman. He will always survive, come back as new and continue existing. His existence will always survive.
Characters such as Time Trapper, who can erase someone's past, can't touch Superman's history:
In short:
Superman is consistently the most immortal being in all of DC comics.
Characters such as Pariah when being empowered by the Great Darkness says that Hope is the greatest force in the multiverse.
Dr Manhattan, despite being above Mxyzptlk who can erase narratives, cannot erase Superman.
Time Trapper says that Superman's history cannot be changed and that he tried it already.
Retconn Corporation which can erase narratives, history and stories cannot erase Superman.
Superman's own death says that he is the most immortal being in all of creation and tries to disprove it, only to be proven wrong.
Time Trapper Doomsday says that Superman and Doomsday will be at the end of time, end of existance, all alone:
ABILITIES/HAX
Super vision, touch, smell and taste:
https://imgur.com/a/cwekcmcdec-5p6uIji
His vision is good enough to focus on sub atomic and sub molecular level:
He can hear across an entire planet and even heartbeats:
He has a constant aura around himself:
His vision is strong enough to hit intangible beings:
And the heat vision is good enough to counter molecular phrasing:
Can quickly analyze molecular and genetic information:
He can generate static electricity:
Can use his Heat vision to agitate molecules and cause structures to shatter:
Can see the aura of every living creature, by Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vu, he can detect and view the psychic energy of other:
https://imgur.com/a/superman-birthright-2-tyB6pjZ
https://imgur.com/a/adventures-of-superman-vol-1-586-ulbT98y
He has Astral Projection:
https://imgur.com/a/superman-man-of-steel-vol-1-114-qqQfK1w
Superman utilised counter-vibrations to send a Phantom Planet outside of the Omniverse:
His heat vision can match absolute zero, emit precise doses of microwaves to kill organic Nano-Machines:
https://imgur.com/a/superman-with-his-heat-vision-can-create-radiation-emp-EuKv30V
Ilusion creation:
Ultra Instinct (lmao):
https://imgur.com/a/superman-attacks-dominus-man-of-steel-89-T5Y8kcz
Can emit a scream that matches and counters the vibrations of the quantum strings that make up an opponent:
https://imgur.com/a/final-crisis-7-lknQ0Pd
Telepathy:
BFR via sending somebody through time:
https://imgur.com/gallery/prc-superman-can-send-others-throughout-time-GhNLfcu
Intangibility:
https://imgur.com/a/phasing-inside-rubber-ball-EZKPe
Transmutation:
https://imgur.com/a/turned-diamond-to-coal-uPKqO
Precognition and Clayrovance:
https://imgur.com/a/pre-crisis-superman-x-ray-vision-seeing-future-cb9qzfe
https://imgur.com/a/resisting-mind-control-uyJm6
Energy absorption:
https://imgur.com/a/superman-absorbs-electromagnetic-energy-etgZEyi
Overall Superman would be in the outerversal - high outerversal ranges, with infinite - immeasureable speed.
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