u/Trick-Swordfish-263

On vacation in Mexico after 1,500 hours

I just got back from a couple weeks of vacation in Mexico with my wife. We spent time on the beach on Isla Mujeres, and explored Yucatan. Because we were flying out of Cancun, we spent our last day there.

One really surprising discovery on this trip was how much fun I had speaking Spanish even in touristy areas like Isla Mujeres and Cancun! As it turns out, I now have something in common with the bilingual people who work in places like these, and I had a blast communicating with them in a somewhat chaotic mix of Spanish and English.

We were usually greeted with "hola" or "buenos días", and I would respond and begin the interaction in Spanish, so people tended to get a sense of my Spanish from the start. A lot of folks were visibly relieved to be able to fall back to Spanish with me when things got complicated. Even people with great English switched to Spanish sometimes for convenience. A server at breakfast one day was speaking very fluent English with my wife, but while taking her coffee order, she turned to me and asked "¿Cómo se dice «deslactosada» en inglés?"

Others were eager to practice their English and struggled through rough patches despite clearly realizing I could understand them in Spanish. (One cheerfully tenacious hotel clerk couldn't remember how to say "forty-five" and tried valiantly to express the idea some other way before finally giving up and saying it in Spanish.) I could relate, and I tried to use English with them whenever possible. Similarly, people with a near-native command of English would sometimes kindly prefer Spanish with me anyway so that I could practice. With others, our abilities in each other's native languages would turn out to be similar and we'd end up settling on pure Spanglish, switching languages at the slightest provocation.

But it wasn't all Spanglish in touristy areas on this trip. We spent time in Valladolid and Mérida, where I had lots of chances to get myself into situations where Spanish was a necessity. We did a day trip to Sisal, a little beach town on the gulf coast, and I didn't hear a word of English all day from anyone except my wife. I was super happy with how all of that went. I had no difficulty doing everything in Spanish, including renting a car, getting gas, and asking whether our room was available for an extra night when we had a change of plans. I had a great time making small talk, and chatted with a bunch of people on a variety of topics.

I also spent a lot of time on the beach and on the train reading Isabel Allende. It's La ciudad de las bestias, meant for adolescent readers, but still, reading Allende in the original Spanish was one of my goals when I started DS, and here I am! I'm having an easy time with this one and I suspect I don't really need to stick to YA fiction. 1,500 hours is feeling pretty great.

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u/Trick-Swordfish-263 — 10 days ago

1,500 hours update!

On Monday, after 2 years and 8 months, I finally reached 1,500 hours! Short summary: it has worked great for me and I'm super happy with where I am.

Previous updates: CDMX at 1,320 hours, 1,250 hours, Guanajuato, MX at 1,025 hours, 1,000 hours, CDMX at 820 hours, 800 hours, 600 hours, 400 hours.

Note: I took classes in school many years ago. To account for my abilities when I started, I gave myself 300 starting hours, which also happened to match my rough estimate of the time I spent on those classes.

So, this is really a report on 1,200 hours of CI on top of ~300 hours of traditional classes.

Learning approach: Since starting DS, I've been following DS recommendations pretty closely. I've done nothing but listening, a little reading, and, since 600 hours, conversation practice.

Words read: ~150,000. I should read more!

Hours spoken: 163.

Do I speak Spanish now?

Yes, I'm just starting to be comfortable saying that I speak Spanish. My Spanish certainly isn't great yet, but I can comfortably understand and be understood without much difficulty. I'm confident could get by living daily life in Spanish.

One of my language learning pals compared this level to getting your driver's license, and that's such a good way to explain it. Can I really do this now? Yes. Is it still a little scary, and am I still kind of bad at it? Yeah, definitely. But it's amazing!

Let's check in with the roadmap:

>You can understand any general content effortlessly, including newspapers, novels, and all types of TV shows and movies.

I would say I can understand most general content with little effort.

Newspapers are easy. I tried reading random novels at the bookstore the other day and could follow most of them well enough. I just tried a few random scenes from La casa de papel (often mentioned as a hard show when I started DS) and I would say I was understanding like 70%. Watchable, but pretty hard.

>You might still struggle with technical texts in unfamiliar fields, heavy regional slang, and shows with intricate plots.

Technical stuff sometimes isn't so bad, actually. Regional slang kills me though.

>You speak fluently and effortlessly, without thinking about the language.

Evaluating my own speech is harder! I would say I speak fairly fluidly, without much effort, and I am usually thinking more about what I want to say than about how to say it, until I run into a word or phrase I haven't used much and am not yet confident about.

>While native speakers might still detect a slight accent, your clarity and fluidity make your speech easy to understand, and no one considers you a learner anymore.

Native speakers definitely hear an accent, and I think it's obvious to everyone that my Spanish is far from perfect. That said, people often comment that my accent is good, and I do think I'm being interpreted pretty consistently now as someone who can get by in Spanish.

>You may still make some mistakes, or miss a specific word here and there, but it doesn’t hinder you from being an effective member of society.

I would just change "may" to "definitely".

What's next

I'll continue tracking hours at least up to 1,800 because I want to take stock of what 1,500 hours of actual CI feels like. Will post another update when I get there.

I've decided to stop using learner videos and podcasts (which I've kept in the mix up to now), just as a way of celebrating this milestone and making things feel different going forward. I'm going to try to read more, and I have so much traveling I want to do.

I'm going to continue having conversations with tutors and seeking out ways to get more experience talking with people in Spanish. I appreciate it so much when native speakers come to my weekly Spanish conversation meetup that I think I'm going to start volunteering at an English conversation meetup as a way of giving back.

I'm seriously considering doing Dreaming French someday, when I feel more solid in Spanish. In the meantime, I'll be keeping my DS subscription active, out of gratitude. Speaking of which:

Excuse me, I just have something in my eye

I want to say thanks to the whole Dreaming Spanish team, past and present. Pablo, if you ever read this, Dreaming Spanish has been the most amazing, life-changing experience. Thank you for creating it, and for showing me how I could fit language learning into my busy life. I also want to thank Andrea, Agustina, and Michelle specifically. Without their enormous and amazing contributions to DS, I don't think I would have made it this far.

Finally, thanks to everyone ahead of me here who posted progress reports. It was so helpful to get a sense of what this process would be like and how this method works, especially early on. I hope my updates have been as useful to others as yours were for me.

I'd be happy to answer any questions!

u/Trick-Swordfish-263 — 1 month ago

I spent the past week in CDMX with my wife. I was last there almost a year ago at 820 hours (see my post about that trip). I also had 12 hours of speaking practice then, vs. 114 now. What a difference that all made!

I feel like I'm in the midst of crossing a border between being a Spanish learner, and being a basically competent Spanish speaker who still has a lot of areas to improve. Maybe that seems like a small difference, but it feels huge to me!

While I still make a ton of mistakes, I can just talk to people about whatever now, without thinking about how to say things before I speak. I'm getting much more fluid and would no longer describe my speech as halting, except maybe on a bad day. I understand around 90% of what people say, and when I miss something it's almost always clear to me that it's just a word or expression that I don't know yet (except in noisy environments, where I still have more trouble catching things than I do in English).

I'm also losing the sensation that native speakers talk fast. Last time, I remember there were a bunch of standard restaurant interactions that would throw me because things that people say 100 times a day come out pretty fast. That problem is pretty much gone unless there's a lot of noise.

Some things I was able to do on this trip:

- Asked an uber driver if he liked his BYD (reliable and great for taxi work, apparently), talked with him about places he's visited in the US, and joked back and forth about the weather and the traffic.

- I needed to overnight some documents to the US, so I went to a copy shop to have them printed, and got directions to a nearby DHL. Handled it all in Spanish, no difficulties. I'm definitely feeling up to this part of the level 6 description: "you can get by at the bank, at the hospital, at the post office, or looking for an apartment to rent".

- At a restaurant, we unknowingly ordered breakfast-menu items at lunchtime and they checked but didn't have them anymore. When I was in Guanajuato ~300 hours ago I could have figured out what was going on and navigated the situation with some effort, but this time I understood everything easily and just talked with the waiter about it, no big deal.

- At an interesting cafe (Buna; highly recommended if you're into good coffee) I decided while ordering to buy a bag of coffee beans and asked which they recommended I try first. They asked if it was for pour-over or espresso, inquired about my preferences and described a couple choices, I picked one, they checked to make sure I wanted whole bean, etc. Totally doable.

I feel like I'm making myself sound too capable because I'm excited about my progress, so just to keep expectations realistic: at passport control, I started in Spanish and we continued that way until I failed to understand the question about the purpose of our visit. I'm not sure whether he was using a word I don't know or what, but I still didn't get it when he repeated the question, so he switched to English. I had that type of thing happen 2-3 times during the week. Still, I'm really happy with where I am right now.

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u/Trick-Swordfish-263 — 6 months ago