PAs can see 'limited' undifferentiated patients under GP supervision, says draft guidance
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PAs can see 'limited' undifferentiated patients under GP supervision, says draft guidance

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Physician associates (PAs) working in GP practices can assess ‘limited groups of undifferentiated patients’ under heavy supervision from GPs, according to draft guidance produced by the Government.

Under the proposals, GPs would be expected to take the role of clinical supervisor, available for ‘prompt review of a patient on any given day’ and providing ‘day to day oversight and supervision’ of up to three PAs at a time. 

GPs would be asked to spend 30 minutes per day after surgery reviewing all patients seen by each PA, according to the document seen by Pulse.

And practices employing PAs ‘must run an effective triage system’ that ensures PAs are only allocated patients ‘presenting with minor ailments’.

PAs ‘should not hold sole responsibility for making a final diagnosis’, the guidance stressed.

They can see patients ‘with known conditions’ or those requiring specific tests or interventions, ‘with approval of the named supervisor’.

However, they ‘may see or observe’ the assessment of other patients with new signs and symptoms ‘when directly accompanied’ by a GP throughout the appointment to support learning and provide effective follow-up, but should not see these patients alone.

The ‘clinical protocol’ was created following the Leng review, which last year recommended that PAs should not see undifferentiated patients ‘except within clearly defined national clinical protocols’. 

The document was created by the review’s author Professor Gillian Leng, and has been shared by the Department of Health and Social Care with ‘stakeholder organisations’ as part of a consultation.

It describes the approach that has been taken to ‘build’ on the review recommendations and sets out guidance on ‘effective teamworking’, together with a national clinical protocol for the ‘consistent, safe and effective’ deployment of PAs across settings.

It said that PAs working in a primary care setting should assess only limited groups of undifferentiated patients because primary care does not represent an environment where ‘immediate in-person review can easily take place’. 

It defines an undifferentiated patient as ‘a patient with new signs and symptoms who has not yet had an initial clinical assessment’. 

The guidance also said that ‘in line with Jess‘s Rule’, if a patient re-presents to the service with the same ‘unexpectedly unresolved or worsening’ symptoms:

  • On a second presentation the PA should discuss the patient with their supervisor either: i. before the patient leaves the surgery for in person consultations or ii. by the end of surgery for remote consultations, with consideration to arranging a face-to-face assessment by a GP.
  • On the third presentation the patient should be given an appointment with a fully qualified GP.

To be effective as a triage system, all appointments booked with PAs must be either triaged directly by a GP ‘who has knowledge of the PA’s individual scope of practice’ or by a trained member of staff or an electronic system which has been approved for use by the practice.

In this case, there should be an initial review of the patient list assigned to the PA by the clinical supervisor available on the day, in advance of the patients being seen by the PA, the document said.

Supervisory roles

PAs must have a named supervisor responsible for ongoing oversight, training and development, who does not need to be physically present each day. In primary care, this must be a fully qualified GP; in other settings, a consultant.

They must also have a clinical supervisor available for prompt patient review and day-to-day supervision, who must be a fully qualified GP, consultant, or an ST4-level or equivalent resident, clinical fellow or specialty doctor.

Source: A clinical protocol for physician assistants, their supervisors, team members and employers: Teamworking and undifferentiated patients

The document said: ‘The clinical supervisor should review and approve the list of undifferentiated patients with minor ailments assigned to the PA, ensuring the allocation matches the PA’s capability and experience.

‘The restrictions on assessing undifferentiated patients [in primary care] relate to the relative lack of immediate supervisory support in primary care, the lower level of training received by a PA compared to a GP, and the risks to patient safety of a misdiagnosis.’ 

It pointed out that when the clinical supervisor is ‘confident’ in the PA’s ability, they should still discuss all patients with the PA ‘at the end of each morning and afternoon surgery’.  

During the PA’s first year in primary care, the supervisor should spend ‘a minimum of 30 minutes after each surgery’ to discuss with the PA all the patients they have seen, and a minimum of 15 minutes after the PA’s first year. 

In addition, the supervisor should allow additional time during the day to discuss any patients which present in the PA’s practice and may require immediate consideration or review, as well as manage any prescribing requests which cannot wait until the scheduled slot after the surgery.

Published in July 2025, Professor Leng’s review also recommended that PAs should be renamed as ‘assistants’, and that they should have at least two years’ training in secondary care before being allowed to practise in primary care. 

While the review made the recommendation on undifferentiated patients, it did not set a broader ‘scope of practice’ for PAs or anaesthesia associates (AAs) to work within.

The RCGP and BMA both published guidance on PAs in 2024 severely limiting their scopes of practice, and both organisations have called on the Government to introduce a nationally agreed scope of practice.

In 2023, Pulse reported on a GP practice which stopped employing PAs after a coroner found that ‘poor quality care’ had contributed to the death of 30-year-old Emily Chesterton. The coroner concluded that Ms Chesterton ‘should have been immediately referred to a hospital emergency unit’ and that ‘if she had been, the likelihood is that she would have been treated for pulmonary embolism and would have survived’.

Physician associates trade union United Medical Associate Professionals (UMAPs) was granted permission to challenge the legality of some aspects of the review and its implementation by the Government, though not on the specific recommendation about undifferentiated patients. 

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson told Pulse the finalised protocol would be a ‘nationally consistent framework’ but would not create ‘statutory requirements’ or ‘directly enforceable legal duties’

They said: ‘The protocol is intended to provide a nationally consistent framework for the safe deployment of physician assistants, particularly in relation to seeing undifferentiated patients.

‘Once finalised, it will be published alongside implementation guidance and used by employers, supervisors and clinical teams to inform local governance arrangements, supervision models, workforce planning and clinical pathways.

‘The protocol will be advisory guidance rather than legislation and will not create new statutory requirements or directly enforceable legal duties. However, organisations and professionals would be expected to have regard to it alongside professional standards, clinical guidance, local governance arrangements and the needs of individual patients.’

So if I employ a PA, I get the pleasure of paying to train them and I have to find an additional 30mins after their surgery to debrief them?? 😄

Whose still employing new PAs under this guidance??

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u/VivoFan88 — 7 days ago
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Pelléas et Mélisande, CD 93, ICD 60, Act I: "Voici ce qu'il écrit à son frère Pelléas"...

Just wanted to share this for a few reasons. It's a lesser known opera in some ways though Debussy of course has his die hard fans. Have to say when I watched this 30+ years ago now in Lyon(I think?) back in the early 90s (still very new to opera), I didn't make much of it.

However, I was looking today for more performances of Christiane Gayraud (singing here) as I love that tight vibrato typical of the French mid 20th century style and it brought me to the above. It's just a shame there's not more recordings of her as I think she has a gorgeous sound full of the typical contralto darkness offset with the shimmering brightness of the vibrato. It's an intoxicating mix.

And last but not least, I was struck at how similar some passages are to Puccini's Butterfly and some digging online suggests he was influenced as this predates Butterfly by a couple of years!

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u/VivoFan88 — 1 month ago

The Transfer Window This Year

Is a complete breath of fresh air. It's not just the quality of the signings but that we're actually getting them in early. You'd have to go back all the way to Ange's first year to find a transfer window 21/22 where there was as much business done earlier in the season and part of that was simply because the squad was blown up. Since then it's more been who we can sign in the last few hours of the transfer window.

What changed? Is if fan protests? Is it that Lawwell is gone? Whatever it is, there's finally a buzz again. Even the year BR took us to the CL, I'm not sure the window created the same excitement.

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u/VivoFan88 — 2 months ago
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Every new GP training post filled by UK graduates and priority groups

This for the year starting August 2026 vs 62% last year.

:Breathes a sigh of relief:

Not knocking the IMGs. We've had some truly excellent IMGs that we'd have back as salaried and a couple potentially even as partners in the future. Having said that we've also had some truly difficult IMGs (a couple had multiple extensions and one even had 4 shots at the RCA before passing and even after that she would still do some truly strange things in her consults). Generally the UK grads whether local/foreign have been less of a crap shoot though the laziest ST3 was a UK grad.

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u/VivoFan88 — 4 months ago
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What Should Salaried GPs Get Per Session

Just wanted to canvas opinion. What do you think a salaried GP should be paid at this point today?

Newly qualified

5 years experience

10 years experience

15 years experience

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u/VivoFan88 — 4 months ago
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Fourteen Fish is a piece of crap - Just wanted to vent

I have spent an hour trying to do an ESR. Type something and wait 5 minutes for it to save only for it to then crash me out of the system to log back and find what I have written wasn't saved. What the hell?

They don't pay me enough to deal with this crap!

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u/VivoFan88 — 4 months ago
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The final score was 18-17, with the young Chinese player securing the championship with a last-minute victory!

  On April 4th local time, after defeating England's Shaun Murphy, Chinese player Wu Yize won the 2026 World Snooker Championship in Sheffield, England, becoming the first player born in the 2000s to win the World Championship, writing a glorious new chapter for the sport of snooker.

  This marks the second consecutive year that a Chinese player has won the World Snooker Championship, following Zhao Xintong's victory in 2025. Wu Yize is also the second Asian player to win the World Championship.

  From a dream-chasing boy in a small town in Northwest China to a young champion standing at the top of the world, Wu Yize has created a youth legend on the small green pool table with precise shots, a legend based on passion and driven by perseverance.

  Industry insiders described Wu Yize's path to the finals as "amazing" in this tournament. In the first round, he defeated his compatriot Lei Peifan 10-2, then beat four-time world champion Mark Selby 13-11, and then eliminated Hussein Vafaei 13-8.

  In the semifinals, Wu Yize rallied to defeat Mark Allen 17-16, becoming the first player born in the 2000s to advance to the World Championship final. It's worth noting that his final opponent, Murphy, known as England's "Magician," won the 2005 World Championship when Wu Yize was less than 2 years old.

  "I've always longed to win the World Championships, and no one wanted it more than me in this competition. I fought for myself, for my family, and most importantly, for my country," Wu Yize said after winning the championship. He added that it was his belief that supported him to the podium.

  Wu Yize was born in Lanzhou, Gansu Province in 2003. He first encountered billiards at the age of 7 and showed extraordinary talent. His father, Wu Jiepin, decided to dedicate himself to nurturing his son's talent after watching him play for only a few minutes.

  In Lanzhou, Wu Yize received guidance from Da Hailin, a national champion and renowned billiards player from Gansu. As Wu Yize's first billiards coach, Da Hailin began instructing him in snooker when he was seven years old.

  From basic techniques to practical application, Da Hailin's teaching and guidance accompanied Wu Yize throughout his primary school years. At that time, Wu Yize was Da Hailin's only student. "I liked Wu Yize very much when I first met him. Although he was a bit shy, he was willing to study and think at a young age, showing a very high level of understanding and intelligence," Da Hailin said.

  “This is a viable path,” Wu Jiepin recalled. He later closed his antique shop, which he had run for many years, to accompany his son full-time on his professional snooker journey. In the years that followed, Wu Jiepin took Wu Yize to various parts of the country for study and training, and even sold his own house in Lanzhou to fully support his son’s training and studies.

  The road to pursuing dreams is never smooth. In 2019, in order to reach the highest level in the world, Wu Yize, accompanied by his father, went to Sheffield, England for training. When the father and son first arrived in England, they had almost no English skills, and coupled with the lack of prize money in the early tours, Wu Yize admitted that the pressure was enormous.

  Wu Jiepin and his son rented a small basement apartment. He worked several odd jobs to make ends meet and cover his son's training expenses. But Wu Jiepin never complained about the hardships and pressures of life in a foreign land; he simply supported and accompanied his son silently.

  After winning the World Championships, Wu Yize said that his parents, who have always supported him, are the real champions. "They are my eternal source of strength."

  After a long and arduous journey, he finally achieved glory. Last November, in the final of the 2025 World Snooker Tour International Championship, Wu Yize scored four century breaks to defeat John Higgins 10-6, winning his first ranking tournament title in his professional career.

  After Wu Yize won the World Championship, the Chinese Billiards Association sent a congratulatory letter that read: "You withstood the pressure and made a comeback in the long and intense competition, demonstrating the outstanding strength and high spirits of Chinese 'post-00s' snooker players, and illustrating the Chinese sports spirit of winning glory for the country and fighting tenaciously."

  Chinese billiards star Ding Junhui wrote on social media: "From Zhao Xintong to Wu Yize, for two consecutive years, Chinese players have stood on the highest podium at the World Championships. This is not just a breakthrough, but our era is dawning!"

Link to original article : https://www.news.cn/20260505/d617e5f82b47499495037f2384ae236c/c.html

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u/VivoFan88 — 5 months ago
▲ 192 r/uknews

How is this even a surprise? The more relevant question is what we're doing about the one that came into the UK 😂

u/VivoFan88 — 6 months ago