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Heilongjiang under Qing rule: a brief history (1683–1912)

Heilongjiang under Qing rule in 1820, before the territorial losses of 1858. This is a modern historical reconstruction; labels are in Chinese.

Qing Heilongjiang had very different boundaries from today's province. Much of present-day southern and eastern Heilongjiang belonged to the neighbouring Jilin administration. Even Harbin's historic urban centre developed on Jilin-administered territory; Qing Heilongjiang was governed from Qiqihar. Meanwhile, Heilongjiang included Hulunbuir, now in Inner Mongolia, and—before 1858—extensive territory north of the Amur River, now in Russia.

The Qing established a separate Heilongjiang administration in 1683, appointing Sabsu as its first general to counter Russian expansion along the Amur. Qing forces attacked the Russian stronghold of Albazin in 1685 and 1686. The Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689 required Russia to abandon Albazin and established a frontier, although its northeastern end remained partly unsettled. The general's headquarters moved from Aigun through Mergen to Qiqihar in 1699, where they remained for the rest of the dynasty.

The region was home to Daur, Solon, Oroqen, Manchu and Mongol communities, with livelihoods ranging from farming and herding to hunting and fishing. Qing influence predated 1683 and expanded through alliances, warfare and forced resettlement. Banner institutions organized military service and household obligations, while hunting communities supplied sable tribute. The general exercised both military and civil authority, with different communities governed through different arrangements.

The nineteenth century brought major territorial losses. The Treaty of Aigun in 1858 assigned extensive lands north of the Amur to Russia. The Convention of Peking in 1860 confirmed this settlement and transferred the coastal territory east of the Ussuri, previously administered by Jilin. The cessions therefore affected more than one Qing administration.

Agricultural settlement also expanded. Farming already had a long history locally, but the Qing gradually opened designated areas to Han immigration, including the Hulan basin in 1862 and Tongken valley in 1896. Civil offices grew alongside the banner administration. Restrictions changed unevenly, rather than disappearing everywhere at once.

During the Boxer crisis of 1900, Russian forces invaded and occupied Heilongjiang. Russian troops and militia massacred thousands of Chinese residents at Blagoveshchensk, on the Russian bank of the Amur. The Qing-administered communities known as the Sixty-Four Villages, also on the Russian side of the river, suffered killings and expulsions.

The Russian-built Chinese Eastern Railway, fully operational in 1903, connected the region to wider passenger and freight networks and strengthened Russia's regional presence. Its route entered Heilongjiang at Manzhouli; its headquarters developed at Harbin in neighbouring Jilin.

In 1907, the Qing replaced the general's administration with a provincial government, retaining Qiqihar as its capital. Russian occupation forces withdrew that year, although railway guards and Russian influence remained. Heilongjiang continued as a province after the Qing monarchy ended in 1912.

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u/arthurhu5498 — 8 days ago
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In 1949, Gao Gang allegedly proposed to Stalin to have Manchuria annexed by the USSR

According to Soviet adviser Ivan Kovalev, Gao Gang proposed making Manchuria the USSR's seventeenth republic during a meeting with Stalin on 27 July 1949. Gao was a senior Communist leader in the Northeast and was visiting Moscow as part of Liu Shaoqi's delegation.

Kovalev told this story in a 1991 interview with S. N. Goncharov. The first image is from that interview; the second is from Shi Zhe's response the following year.

Gao's argument, as Kovalev remembered it, was that becoming Soviet territory would protect Manchuria from American attack and make it a secure base for defeating Chiang Kai-shek. He also proposed sending the Soviet fleet to Qingdao and increasing Soviet forces in Dalian. The USSR then had sixteen union republics, including the Karelo-Finnish republic.

Kovalev says those present applauded, while Liu Shaoqi looked furious. Stalin stood up, turned to Gao in the front row, and addressed him as:

>"Comrade Zhang Zuolin!"

Zhang Zuolin was the former Manchurian warlord who had received Japanese support. The comparison cast Gao as another regional ruler relying on a foreign power. Kovalev says everyone present was stunned. Kovalev's account, p. 54. Background on Zhang's Japanese ties.

The argument continued in the car afterward. Liu accused Gao of treason, and Gao snapped back. Once they reached their accommodation, Liu sent Mao a coded message demanding Gao's recall to China.

Gao then approached Kovalev. Speaking slowly in Russian, he offered to provide confidential information about the Chinese Communist leadership, including what he called the anti-Soviet behavior of some of Mao's colleagues.

Kovalev telephoned Stalin. Stalin admitted that he had treated Gao harshly, but said a different response could have been misunderstood by the Chinese leadership. He told Kovalev to stay out of the quarrel because Kovalev would have to return to work in China. Kovalev believed another Soviet official was assigned to receive Gao's information. Stalin also insisted that Gao's departure be delayed for a few days.

At a farewell reception at his dacha, Stalin tried to reconcile Liu and Gao by making them drink a toast to friendship. Liu reluctantly complied. Gao left the next morning, and, according to Kovalev, nobody from the Chinese delegation went to see him off.

Stalin then told Liu:

>"I laid it on thick when I was talking about Comrade Gao, and so did you, without any reason. Convey my opinion to Comrade Mao."

Gao subsequently received senior positions in the new Chinese government. Kovalev's account, pp. 54–55.

Kovalev also described the accusation resurfacing later that year, during a dispute over the display of Stalin's portraits in Manchuria. He said Liu brought up Gao's Moscow proposal again, and Zhou Enlai accused Gao of trying to hand Manchuria to the Soviet Union.

In another episode, Kovalev recalled Mao stopping in Shenyang on his way to Moscow in December 1949 and finding Stalin's portraits everywhere. A railway carriage of birthday gifts for Stalin, prepared by Gao and Lin Biao, had been attached to Mao's train. Mao ordered it uncoupled and the gifts divided between Gao and Lin. Kovalev quotes him saying:

>"Inform these comrades that we will bring gifts to Comrade Stalin from all of China and that, for the time being, Manchuria still belongs to China...."

During Mao's stay in Moscow, Kovalev says Stalin handed him critical reports by Kovalev and confidential messages from Gao. Kovalev believed this disclosure helped seal Gao's fate. These later episodes are on pp. 55–57.

Shi Zhe disputed this account. In his 1992 interview, he said Gao had no opportunity to make the proposal at the meeting, that Liu was the Chinese spokesman, and that Gao's early return had been arranged before the delegation left China. He also disputed the story of Mao touring Shenyang and becoming angry at Stalin's portraits.

On the alleged proposal, however, Shi qualified his denial:

>"I do not know what he said to Kovalev privately."

Li Haiwen's interview with Shi Zhe, translated by Wang Xi, pp. 63–64.

In 2013, Li Weimin quoted Li Haiwen recalling that Shi later acknowledged Gao had made the remark. That is Li Haiwen's later account of what Shi told her. Yanhuang Chunqiu, 2013, no. 1, p. 87; Chinese-language PDF.

Dieter Heinzig preferred a less definite version: Gao may have said that the Americans and Nationalists would not attack Manchuria if it were a Soviet republic. His source for that version was a communication from Zhu Ruizhen, who reportedly heard it from an unnamed Soviet source in 1956. The Soviet Union and Communist China 1945–1950, chapter 3, discussion of Gao Gang and note 578.

u/arthurhu5498 — 9 days ago

Philip Short writes that there is "no reason to think" China under Chiang Kai-shek's successors would wish to act significantly differently from China under Mao's heirs. What do you make of this comparison?

In the afterword to Mao: The Man Who Made China (I.B. Tauris, 2017), Philip Short writes the following about Mao's and Chiang Kai-shek's competing visions for China (pp. 673–674):

>As for the conflicting visions of China’s future pursued by Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, one may legitimately wonder how much difference it would really have made, in the long sweep of history, if Chiang rather than Mao had won in 1949. Rana Mitter, an Oxford don whose thinking is representative of the younger generation of China scholars, has pointed out: ‘Both the nationalists and the communists wanted to establish a politically independent state, with a government that penetrated throughout society, and a population that was stable, healthy and economically productive ... However [neither] was seeking to establish what the West, and particularly the United States, would regard as a democracy: a liberal, multi-party regime with significant civil liberties.’ Indeed both explicitly rejected it. In a passage which remains relevant to American policy today, Bai Chongxi, the Guangxi warlord who in 1934 had allowed the Long Marchers to cross his territory to reach safety in the south-west, and who, ten years later, became one of Chiang’s key commanders, wrote in his memoirs in the late 1970s, long before there was talk of ‘regime change’ and ‘exporting democracy’ in Washington: ‘The big mistake that America often makes is to force their model of democracy on other countries’.
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>Mao’s victory was viewed at the time as a grave setback for America’s strategic goal of establishing a democratic or at least neutral China on the Soviet Union’s southern border. Yet the ‘loss’ of China to communism did not prevent the United States becoming the world’s dominant power. Nor did US support for Chiang’s rump state in Taiwan make it a democracy: that did not happen until long after the Generalissimo’s death. Had Chiang defeated Mao, would he have been able to unify and develop China as effectively as his communist rival? In Pankaj Mishra’s words: Would China without Mao have found the political basis for its current prosperity? That is open to debate. In any case, the challenge to the West posed by Xi Jinping’s China today is not communist but nationalist. There is no reason to think that a mainland China ruled by Chiang Kai-shek’s successors would wish to act significantly differently from that now ruled by Mao’s heirs.[71]

Note 71 (p. 800):

>Jay Taylor has speculated that, were Chiang alive today, he would see the current Chinese leaders as ‘modern neo-Confucianists’ like himself, with the same goals for China that he would have adopted had he been in a position to do so (The Generalissimo, p. 592). The implication is that Mao’s successors have succeeded in implementing Chiang’s vision where the Generalissimo himself failed. If one accepts Taylor’s premise – which I find debatable – it can be interpreted either way: as showing that Chiang’s ideas have triumphed (‘lost the battle but won the war’); or as vindicating the system Mao founded which has put those ideas into effect (‘game, set and match’).

What do you make of Taylor's idea? If you accept it, does that suggest a triumph for Chiang's vision, a vindication of Mao's system, both, or neither?

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u/arthurhu5498 — 12 days ago